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Spoke once the woman, and the man bent over his knees in order to please: A strange sermon from Return of Kings

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I feel I need to start this post with a warning. And I hope you will take it seriously. Because someone at Return of Kings, Roosh V’s horrendous Red Pill megasite, has decided to try to write fancy.

And what they have produced instead is some kind of Lovecraftian monstrosity.

So, brace yourself, because you and I are going to read “Bad Things Happen When Women Lead And Men Follow,” by someone calling himself Elrit Frisia.

I will remain by your side the entire time.

Take a deep breath, and let’s begin:

For the largest part of known human history, it has been men who have been the riders of civilization.

And we’re off to a really perplexing start. The … riders of civilization? Men are “riding” civilization? I thought they were all out hunting mammoths and building pyramids and inventing “spread spectrum” technology.

Oh, wait, that last one was Hedy Lamarr.

Anyway, back to the dudes riding civilization and all that.

The luminaries of the torch, the undying flame of kin, brotherhood, leadership, and order.

What? That’s not even a sentence.

It has been because of their innumerable sacrifice as men; men of their family, men of their country, and men of their culture, that we can now enjoy and afford the luxuries of what modest living affords us.

Uh, a sacrifice is one thing. It can’t be innumerable. I think you meant “sacrifices.”

I don’t even know where to start with the rest of this, er, sentence, so I won’t.

But as I’ve written before, something seems amiss in our modern world.

Ok, fair readers, let’s see if you can guess just what that “something” might be.

Did you guess “women?”

SURPRISE! It’s not women. Well, sort of not women.

Ok, so it’s true that “our” women are in an “absolutely unacceptable state,” at least according to Elrit. But, you see, it’s not really their fault. It’s the fault of men for letting “their women” go bad. You know, like when you leave a gallon of milk out overnight. Women are the stinky milk of our modern civilization. And men are the ones who left them out:

Men are responsible for this. It is not women. Men are responsible for their household, responsible for their affairs, and responsible for the state of their nation.

And for their women becoming stinky milk.

Alas, once women become stinky milk, well, the whole society goes to H-E-Double-Hockey-Sticks. According to “sermonist R.G. Lee,” whom Elrit quotes approvingly,

Women women women women women I hate women.

Ok, that’s not the real quote. But, honestly, the real quote isn’t much on an improvement:

When women sag morally and spiritually, men sag morally and spiritually. When women take the downward road, men travel with them. When women are lame morally and spiritually, men limp morally and spiritually. The degeneracy of womanhood helps the decay of manhood.

Somehow I can’t imagine that R.G. Lee — a famous fundamentalist preacher best known for an oft-delivered sermon promising that the world’s sinners would face a terrible “payday someday” — would approve of Roosh’s fornication-heavy lifestyle. But what the heck, Lee seems mad at women too, so why not bring him along for the ride?

So, women are degenerate stinky milk. How, oh wise Return of Kings douchebag, did we get to this terrible state?

Walk with me to the Garden. The Garden of the East. About six thousand years ago. One fine noon, under the auspices of cold river air and soft patches of brightly-colored leaves, there lie two: one man and one woman.

Oh fucking hell. Are you serious?

A serpent creases by, sneering and seductive, making jests toward the woman, or so we are led to believe.

No, no, no, no, no. You’re not really going to

The woman seems frightened at first glance, but slowly eases into the serpent, laughing at what the serpent whispers into her ear and paying amusement to its performance.

All right, that’s it, I’m stopping the car.  She “pays amusement” to the snake’s performance? You don’t “pay amusement” to a performance.  THAT’S NOT HOW WORDS WORK IN ENGLISH.

Anyway, so this unnamed woman in the garden dallies a bit with her amusing snake friend and the next thing you know …

the woman walks along the man, both with a strange fruit in hand

The woman walks WHAT the man? You don’t walk ALONG someone. You walk ALONGSIDE someone.

Sorry, sorry, back to the story

the woman walks along the man, both with a strange fruit in hand, the serpent now seen nowhere, and the skies clouded with darkness and thunder. In a fit of lunacy, the man and the woman both shower themselves in leaves and balk, and take to rummaging across the Garden like utter mad fools.

Huh. So the snake seduces the woman, and the woman seduces the man? Kind of sounds like you’re blaming the woman, not the man, dude.

Oh, and I’m not sure what you think “balk” means, but it’s wrong. (And you use it incorrectly twice, so I don’t think it’s just a typo.)

What we have witnessed is the timeless, bleeding edge of human naïveté. It is a fact of nature that man is at odds not only with himself, but with others: both those above him and those below him, for there are in truth no equals. And for order to triumph, not only must man triumph over himself, but everyone must also triumph for the good of something beyond themselves.

You get a triumph! And you get a triumph! And you get a triumph!

This arrangement can only be sufficiently well-maintained if we obey the wishes of our zealous god: tradition.

What?

Dude, tradition is not a god, “zealous” or “jealous” or any other sort.

It is no accident that the institutions most central to Western tradition have been found in virtually all civilizations worth writing a tome about. They have been dictated to us by the lips of our most highest himself: whether that be evolution or a single, conscious power in charge of designing the universe. It is an optimal ideology that accounts for the nature and sexual strategies of both men and women, and incentivizes them to care after a garden of their own.

Wait, what just happened here? It seems like god basically turned into an Evo Psych textbook about halfway through that paragraph. This is becoming a very strange sermon indeed.

Men hold a very special place as protectors and enforcers of this tradition. So that folly may not rule in those who dare not triumph.

Uh, “those who dare not triumph?” Who the hell are “those who dare not triumph?” What does that even mean? Are you just throwing random words together at this point? Do you not have an editor?

But, we see, that the serpent so loves to play with our wit, and to that end he knows women are the most apt at play, and the easiest to lead far from the narrow gate. And when man trusts more in the warmth of hand of her woman than the path she leads him to, that is when thunder falls from the heavens and the paleness of sky becomes overturned.

Ah, I remember this, this is from Paul’s Epistle to the Slutty Ladies who Cause Ice Particles in Clouds to Become Positively and Negatively Charged Thus Creating an Electrical Field that Discharges in the Form of Lightning Strikes, or Something Like That, I’m Not a Meteorologist.

Anyhoo, so these slutty ladies have been causing all sorts of problems.

And after a long walk through history, it is clear that we have been lulled by the serpent’s song. Spoke once the woman, and the man bent over his knees in order to please.

Huh. Apparently these slutty ladies are into pegging.

We failed to be discriminating in the company of poor ideals, and gave the woman her promiscuous zest with which she later robbed us (and in a fit of divine irony, herself) of our dignity, hoping we would gain power, acceptance, and a serviced libido in return.

Wait, “promiscuous zest” is bad? Uh, doesn’t the publisher of Return of Kings make his living selling e-books on how to have sex with what he might call “promiscuously zesty” women?

And while Roosh doesn’t exactly seem like the zestiest dude on the block, isn’t he, er, a bit promiscuous himself? Didn’t he recently publish an e-book called “Poosy Paradise,” telling the story of how he traveled to “a grisly city in Eastern Romania” in search of, er, a “Poosy Paradise?”

I mean, it seems to me that a dude who literally moves to a city he describes as “a place that no sane man would voluntarily live in had it not contained the best fruit of what the human female species can offer” has kind of disqualified himself as an arbiter of anyone else’s “promiscuity.”

But I digress. Back to Elrit’s little sermon on the evil sexy ladies.

We gave them a voice in the state, a voice in our churches, a voice in our halls of learning, and what has really been heard?

Oh, ok, the evil sexy voting churchgoing teaching ladies.

We’ve heard cries of foolishness, of bad apples and false burglars in the night, but the matter is that men have compromised everything they knew to be certain in order to gain nothing of lasting import.

BAD APPLES AND FALSE BURGLERS IN THE NIGHT!?!?!?!???!

Are you on the drugs, young man? It seems like maybe you’re on the drugs.

Certainly, we have known the pleasures of what women have to offer, and perhaps more now so than anytime else, when they fall off by the numbers into our nimble hands, but yet we hesitate to take more than a few, singly bites.

Singly bites? Singly bites?! WHAT ON EARTH ARE SINGLY BITES?!!?!??

When in times past we would have snatched an agreeable one and faithfully planted the seed of our future castle.

The SEED of our CASTLE?! Dude, castles DON’T GROW FROM SEEDS. People build them. Plants grow from seeds.

Even our own veteran maverick, despite his notable experience with the fairer sex, seems unable to see women as anything else but “a form of entertainment and distraction instead of significantly adding to my life.”

Well, yeah, but that’s because Roosh — the “veteran maverick” being referred to here — is a gigantic douchebag.

There is not much to be done, once we have sowed the seeds of our garden into the rocks.

Wait, I thought you were planting the seed of your castle. Now you’re planting a garden?

In all seriousness, though, I hope you dudes are literally ejaculating onto piles of rocks. The thought of you reproducing makes me shudder. Hell, the thought of you having any sort of sexual contact with other human beings makes me feel vaguely ill.

But let it serve, as a painful reminder, that women are meant to be enjoyed and to be cherished as any other pleasantry, but be careful of where she might stray you along because in the end you’ll share more than the blame and wish you had not followed her deep into the thicket.

Wait, what?

That’s the ending to your post?

What the hell kind of fire and brimstone sermon is this, anyway?

Here you were, working up to what I thought would be a call to swear off evil women, or deprive them of their right to vote, or, I dunno, something along the lines of R.G. Lee’s “payday someday” scenario.

And instead you’re all like, hey, go ahead and “cherish” the “pleasantry” that is woman, just don’t fall into their evil lady thickets?

You guys are terrible at being fundamentalists.

NOTE: I’m thinking this might deserve a dramatic reading. And that if someone delivers a nice dramatic reading, I might have to make it into a little animated video. (Oh, and if you want me to be able to turn your dramatic reading into a cartoon, you should either not include music, or should include the music in a separate sound file.)

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Orion
Orion
10 years ago

On Sturgeon,

Like most writing advice, I think that’s awful if taken literally. Almost all pithy quotes from writers on good writing seem to come from moments of irritation. There’s value to be had in recognizing what it was they were irritated with, but none whatsoever to be had in trying to adhere to the dictum.

Stephen R Donaldson is one of my most favorite writers, and he wrote an entire fantasy trilogy without even one conversation a real person might have.

proxieme
proxieme
10 years ago

davidknewton said: I had a false burglar last month, he came in during the night and completely rewallpapered the living room.

And that’s why there are so many Anglophiles in the US.

chronic lurker
chronic lurker
10 years ago

You know you’re a bad writer when your prose make VOX DAYS’s look decent. That’s no small accomplishment.

katz
10 years ago

Hey, be kind to Bulwer-Lytton. His books were entertaining and about fun things, like highwaymen and volcanoes.

friday jones
friday jones
10 years ago

Orion, I’m pretty sure that Saltheart Foamfollower once said “Good morning” to the Ur-Lord, so there was one natural-sounding bit of dialogue in the SIX books of THAT series!

friday jones
friday jones
10 years ago

OMG, Robert, I LOVED “The Iron Dream,” Spinrad managed to keep his narrative voice in character for the whole thing where a lesser author would have broken the fourth wall a few times. Like a hideous Parrotbeak maybe!

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
10 years ago

A serpent creases by

Ah yes. One of those crisply folded prelapsarian snakes.

ej
ej
10 years ago

Ah yes. One of those crisply folded prelapsarian snakes.

It probably hangs out with the angular fish we heard about the other day.

Bina
10 years ago

The wedding I went to a couple weeks ago was B-E-A-utiful and would have been perfect if it wasn’t for the pastor’s message part, where in this case he harped on about submission and sacrifice, gender roles and “equal but different”. I facepalmed so hard and I hope my friends didn’t internalise that message. My church isn’t even a fundie church! But lately they have been leaning towards the works of John “the Gospel’s survival is dependent on gender roles” Piper.

Ugh. Reminds me of my cousin’s wedding several years back, in a Catholic church, where the smarmy old priest shoehorned in a slam-dig at the Christ-killing Jews. I think the smack of my own palm hitting my forehead must have reverberated off the walls. That shit has NO place at a wedding! You’re supposed to be celebrating a holy union in LOVE, for God’s sake…le SIGH.

Also: My sister and her husband were married in the United Church — a nice, liberal, Canadian denomination through and through. No fundie anything about it. Well, bless me if the minister didn’t decide to stick in a false note of his own, too — about marriage being between one man and one woman! (This was about five years before same-sex marriage was legalized across the board here.) I nearly lost my shit, but held it together for the sake of my sis.

Honestly, I wish preachers would leave their stupid moralistic judgments and prejudices out of wedding ceremonies and JUST MARRY THE HAPPY COUPLE, ALREADY.

katz
10 years ago

On Sturgeon,

Like most writing advice, I think that’s awful if taken literally. Almost all pithy quotes from writers on good writing seem to come from moments of irritation. There’s value to be had in recognizing what it was they were irritated with, but none whatsoever to be had in trying to adhere to the dictum.

Stephen R Donaldson is one of my most favorite writers, and he wrote an entire fantasy trilogy without even one conversation a real person might have.

Let’s face it, no one would read a book where everyone talked like real people. Most real people are not brilliant wits.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
10 years ago

Bina
Oh my word

M.
M.
10 years ago

I had a weird experience when I got married (since divorced, long and irrelevant story): It was just a small private service at the town hall rather than a church, the civil celebrant asked us why we hadn’t asked for a priest, we told him we weren’t religious… And he muttered something about “Damn Hellbound atheists,” pulled out his personal Bible and made us wait through an immediate ten-minute sermon before continuing. I didn’t kick up a fuss, but it was still kind of annoying for this random asshole to proselytise at me on my wedding day. Dude, you’re a civil celebrant, be a civil celebrant.

(But then, I was living in the American South at the time, what should I have expected?)

Emmy Rae
Emmy Rae
10 years ago

I’ve been getting singly bites in the night from some sort of bug! How did they knooooooooow?

Very itchy and obnoxious, RoK, please help.

katz
10 years ago

M: Ew. How totally inappropriate.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
10 years ago

M
What? Sorry that happened. Man, quite a few people had bad experiences getting married.

Spindrift
Spindrift
10 years ago

M
Always annoying when someone decides to make people’s special day about themself and their beliefs. Sucks that you had to experience that.

Paradoxical Intention
10 years ago

fromafar2013 | March 24, 2015 at 10:23 am
I”m going to post this before Paradoxical Intention gets the chance!

NUUUUU! I was cleaning the stove! ; n ;

fruitloopsie | March 24, 2015 at 2:23 pm
Ej
Too bad I don’t see Pochahontas or any other native american on there and wasn’t Susan B Anthony racist?

Yeah, I’m sad we don’t have any awesome native american women on there either. And, if you get down to it, the entire suffrage movement was pretty racist. Pretty much it boiled down to “Why are you giving the black men the right to vote before white women?!”
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At the terrible wedding experiences: Hot damn. If I ever do get married, I think I’d just want to have something like a courthouse wedding, but still have the ceremony? I don’t know how I’d go about that, but yeah.

To be honest, I think a backyard wedding in spring would be fantastic. (Or I could get married on Samhain, I’d be down for that. Bright orange leaves on the trees, beautiful black dresses, people in spiffy costumes, pumpkin treats, colorful autumn dishes, warm stews…yes good.)
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At the article: So, Eve fucked a snake, God got mad, blamed Adam for not “keeping his bitch on a leash”, so don’t change anything you’re doing men, just don’t listen to wimmenz ever.

Kay.

Tasha Batsford
10 years ago

Hold me.

Anyone else feel like this guy has just found the “Suggest Synonym” function?

Tracy
Tracy
10 years ago

I never understood the whole blaming Eve thing. In the story, they’re told not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which seems to mean that they currently have no knowledge of good and evil. So the snake tells Eve it’s ok to eat it bc she won’t die like god said she would (which is true – the snake wasn’t lying), and she’s like ‘ok’, and then gets Adam to eat some. If she had no knowledge of good and evil, then how can anyone have blamed her? Augh! Anyway.

That Frisia fella shure rites purty.

AltoFronto
AltoFronto
10 years ago

He thinks the Earth is 6000 years old, but also suggests God might be an Evo-psych textbook? The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one.

Menz – rational, logical atheists until the Bible has something bad to say about teh wimminz.

M – that civil celebrant guy was waaayy out of line. I hope he got the firing he deserved.

suffrajitsu
10 years ago

Wait, so he’s saying men are responsible for failing to control women and women simultaneously becoming the most decadent sluts since Ancient Rome, but he’s also saying if women are the most decadent sluts since Ancient Rome, their moral degeneracy affects that of men too. So women’s immorality is 100% the fault of men, and men’s immorality is 100% the fault of women? Is anyone’s immorality at least somewhat their own fault???

@Tracy: the fact that they “had no knowledge of Good and Evil” before eating the apples always struck me as odd, too, because like you said, then they can’t really be held accountable for their actions. Also, if that’s the case, there’s no reason Eve is any more blameworthy than Adam, since she was persuaded by the snake just like he was persuaded by her. It’s not like she was rubbing her hands evilly and cackling of how fun it would be to ruin the menz. [I mean no offense to any Christians here, just a personal quibble.]

I haven’t followed the Bulwer-Lytton Contest as much since I found the Lyttle Lytton Contest (similar premise, but with word limits so the sentences are pithier and more conceptually bad/funny instead of just being massively long exercises in purple prose and randomness). http://adamcadre.ac/lyttle.html

Bette Hopper
Bette Hopper
10 years ago

This had me giggling. Great commentary, David, and *you* get a triumph!

I took some poetic license with my favorite bits and had some fun:

The riders of civilization sag morally and spiritually
under the auspices of cold river air
and brightly colored leaves.
A serpent creases by, making jests.

The woman slowly eases into the serpent,
paying amusement to its performance.
They shower themselves in leaves and balk.

Rummaging like utter mad fools, bleeding the
edge of human naïveté, they triumph for the good
of something beyond themselves.

Sexual strategies incentivize them to care after a
garden; folly may rule.
For when a man trusts more in the warmth of hand
of her woman, that is when thunder falls
and the sky becomes overturned.

Lulled by the serpent’s song, the man bends over his knees.
Promiscuous zest robs him of his dignity and a serviced libido.

Cries of bad apples in the night have sacrificed everything
to gain nothing, but we know the pleasures of women when they fall into our hands for singly bites.

Snatch an agreeable one, to sow the seed of your garden in the rock, deep in the thicket.

suffrajitsu
10 years ago

@Paradoxical Intention: eh, the suffrage movement did have lots of ugly racism, but I think it’s a stretch to say the *whole thing boiled down to* “why are black men getting the vote before white women?” (For one thing, the Seneca Falls Convention was a good 13 years before the Civil War even started.) At least initially, there was fairly considerable overlap between abolitionists and suffragists (like Sojourner Truth) and to be fair, in the context of the time the Fifteenth Amendment was kind of a “Fuck you” to the idea of women’s suffrage. Of course, Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton did spout some seriously racist shit after emancipation, but it’s also true that Frederick Douglass was perfectly okay with black men getting the vote and not black women.

davidknewton
davidknewton
10 years ago

Here you go. Dramatically read as far as I could without breaking.

http://teamouse.net/badthings-frisia.mp3

It’s only when I actually tried to read it out loud that I realized what an incomprehensible word salad it is, as if it were generated by a computer that had been fed bits of English speech and a really bad thesaurus. The praise it’s getting in the comments is frankly incomprehensible – surely they can see it doesn’t make sense?

To paraphrase the wonderful late Humphrey Lyttelton, if you had told me that night in November 1984 that I would end up reading this codswallop, I would have turned around and crawled back in.