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After a day spent going through hundreds of pages of violent misogyny posted in that notorious 4channer IRC chat log, I thought I’d cleanse my palate by taking another peek into Reddit’s favorite gathering hole for Red Pill Redditors. The Red Pill subreddit, after all, is all about self-improvement, and helping men navigate the sexual marketplace in “a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.”
So let’s see what sort of self-improvement tips I can find there today! Here’s one!
![sumdumguy-throwaway 6 points 17 hours ago If women didn't have vaginas, they would be hunted for sport. permalink save report give gold [–]2vengefully_yours 11 points 14 hours ago Not much of a challenge really, they are slow, relatively incompetent, weak as shit, and have nearly zero spatial ability. It would be like hunting a video game journalist.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/vaginas.png?ssl=1)
Oh, dear. We’re off to a really bad start here. I mean, some people might consider these comments to be just an eensy-weensy bit, you know, sexist.
But these are just a couple of comments. Let’s back up a moment to look at the post these comments were responding to. Here it is, a (presumably) very thoughtful treatise on the expectations men and women have going into relationships, by a fellow with the unusual name Gay Lube-Oil. (Presumably his parents, Mr. and Mrs. Lube-Oil, named him after “new journalism” legend Gay Talese.) It’s got literally hundreds of upvotes, so it must be pretty good.
So let’s take a look at the younger Mr. Lube-Oil’s thoughts on this fascinating topic.
What you’re going to find is that western and western influenced women expect a lot more from men than they’re willing to give in return. Women shouldn’t be judged for their bodies but that fat dude is a creep. I needed time to find myself but men without a good income are losers. My husband needs to be there for me, but if I sense any emotional weakness ill be gone faster than Jose Canseco during a piss test.
Huh. I see no citations for any of this, but I guess I’ll take his word for it.
Why are all women like this?
Ah, a variation on Freud’s famous question: “women — what’s their fucking problem?”
Because all her life, the only thing that was expected of her was for her to bring her vagina. It got her into parties and clubs. It got her drugs. It might have even helped her get a job that she was less qualified for. The corporate media taught her that as a vagina operator, men owed her tons of free shit. The movies and shows that she defines herself by depict women as passive objects to be showered in male affection. Diamonds are a girls best friend (because women are incapable of real friendship).
Huh. I thought maybe I’d ask my best friend about this, but as it turns out she’s a woman, and therefore not my best friend at all.
Its foolish to expect any equality in a relationship because society conditions women to be selfish assholes. When a women says that she will be there for her boyfriend. She means in the literal physical sense. Depressed men are unattractive and women have no interest being anywhere near them. Ultimately, most women only bring to relationships what they bring to the club: vagina.
This is kind of a double whammy because, as we’ve been told again and again from the fellows I write about on this blog, vaginas are dirty and slimy and smell very, very bad.
There are two ways to respond to this Red Pill truth. You can use women for their vaginas and nothing else. Or you can teach her to cook, workout and whatever else you expect out of a LTR. In the end all you get by default is vagina, unless she stops being attracted to you. If that’s the case she has a headache.
It’s like that old joke: “Boy, the vaginas at this place are really stinky. And such small portions!”Â
(Thanks, Blue Pill Subreddit, for pointing me to these wondrous bits of Red Pill Wisdom.)
I cannot tell you how brilliant I think you all are. You really do have me laughing out loud.
You know what else is funny? Imagining just how many women this guy has to see promoted over him. I mean, he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed. I’m betting his people skills would make Michael Scott look suave. How often do you think he has to comfort himself by pretending it’s because those women are sleeping their way past him and not because he’s as thick as a brick and just as charming?
Amanda
“but with these guys, it seems women can never be skinny enough.”
http://m.shutterstock.com/images/108174932/full
seraph4377
“What they do is completely devalue it, just like they devalue pretty much everything to do with women. One charming fellow argued that pregnancy and birth were completely involuntary funtions, no different than taking a shit, and so deserved no credit.”
So men are devalued too because they came from women. I mean that’s what he is saying.
@drst yep, Wanda Sykes. I remember it now. Looks like I was borrowing from her material!
But it’s not about hating women! Nope, no misogyny here!
Hunting people for sport is the plot of The Most Dangerous Game. sumdumguy_throwaway is literally, without irony, acting like a pulp villian. He might as well be twirling his mustache while fluttering his cape.
@fruitloopsie – ah, but men rise above their humble origin by virtue of being men. Not only do men do things while women get everything handed to them because vagina, all men today are owed all the credit for every good thing any man did ever (thus “we hunted the mammoth to feed you”) – though of course, any blame or even discussion of bad things those past men did is misandry.
This guy is actively dismantling feminism. Everyone knows that feminism’s #1 goal is to get a rich husband to buy you diamonds and shiny things while you stay at home.
The diamond ad is clearly a pinnacle of feminism. There is feminist-er though:
http://awfuladvertisements.com/2014/alleged-jewelry-ad-from-india-says-you-cant-pick-your-husband-but-you-can-pick-your-jewelry.html
Damn. I have apparently been misusing my vagina. I desperately need those diamonds for my freeze ray so that I can get into the Evil League of Evil.
Also, I need to address this comment:
May I suggest the possibility that the fat dude is not a creep because he is fat but because he is, in fact a creep? Shocking revelation, I know.
I don’t think they want naturally skinny women either. What I suspect they want is a woman who starves herself and obsessively works out to stay thin. They want us to be insecure about our bodies and they want us to suffer. The aesthetics aren’t the point here.
That’s not the lesson I, as a girl and later a woman learned from the corporate media. I actually learned that if you a very conventionally beautiful woman you will get free shit, love, sex, and admiration. It also taught me that any woman isn’t extremely beautiful is worthless. That’s not exactly something that puts women at an advantage. This is something that causes us a lot of pain actually.
I’m almost 60, and dang! If only I’d known we were supposed to get free stuff, I’d have skipped my two degrees and all this time working in medical research. Oh well, at least I’ll have a nice pension in 2 years, and have the satisfaction of helping develop amazing new treatments,.
Do these guys not ever leave their basements? Because *reality check* lots of women work. Lots of women work for their entire lives.
Whereas I’m sure this guy would bend over backwards to support a depressed girlfriend. Right?
“If they’re so clearly familiar enough with feminist ideas and thoughts to twist them into a mockery and use terms like construction, power dynamics, relations, oppressed groups, privilege, classism, why do they get it so consistently angrily wrong?!”
They are self centered and lack empathy. So, to the extent they recognize an impact on women at all, it’s completely incidental to their thinking.
@emilygoddess: Don’t be ridiculous! Women who get depressed don’t need support! They need to be told just how irrational they’re being because what right do they have to be depressed? They apparently get everything they ever want for having a vagina! Depression is only for the manly menz that have REAL problems!
@emilygoddess
My hunch says they’d be among the first to dump her, then tell their chucklehead buddies how she was mental. When I was rooming with a bunch of Coast Guard guys recently, the phrase “bitch duty” got tossed around a lot.
I’m glad I don’t live there anymore.
It’s projection. They think they should be given special perks and attention and free stuff for having penises, and they assume everyone feels the same way about their genitals.
WWTH,
Exactly. I notice that they lament the ugliness of thin women too, especially when those women are being uppity. No woman who is not compliant is beautiful because noncompliance from women scares their boners away.
Is she willowy? She doesn’t have enough t&a! Gross!
Is she curvy? She’s fat! Gross!
Is she actually fat? Kill it with fire! Gross!
Is she wearing make up? Fake! Vain! Liar! Gross!
Is she not wearing make up? Why is she so butch? Is that a small scar on her face? Are those freckles? Did I see a line? Gross!
It isn’t about attraction or beauty. It’s about reducing women’s value to whether or not men approve of their bodies. Whatever you look like, they want you to know it does not please them. They want women to think they should care as much about their approval as they do. Just like devaluing pregnancy and birth, devaluing a woman’s use as a sexual object is a misogynist trope for a reason.
What I’ve learned from the manoshere is that women are awful mothers, friends, wives, professionals, girlfriends, and hobbiests. Just the worst. We’re also all ugly. Our vaginas are nasty and that’s the only part of us that is even interesting. In fact, men are victims because they want to fuck us so much. So, why won’t we fuck them? It isn’t fair that we won’t fuck them. Misandry!
Bleh.
Yeah, these guys love insecurity in women. I read a Roosh post about the benefits of dating an insecure woman vs. a confident women, and the consensus was that an insecure woman will prop up a man’s ego. Yep … sounds pretty alpha to me!
I must not be taking full advantage of my vagina, either, since I work harder and longer hours than any of the men in my office – but at 29, I’ve apparently hit the wall. Darn. It’s a good thing I have no desire to find a rich man and settle down, since I’m past my expiration date.
The scary thing is that in India, the ad almost IS feminist, or at least subversive against the patriarchal society there. It has to do with the way marriage and divorce work–essentially, one of the few things that a woman keeps when a marriage ends is her jewelry, and becoming a divorcee in that society is almost becoming a pariah (certainly viewed by traditionalists as ‘used goods’ and thus not eligible for remarriage). So the jewelry you can get from your husband is essentially your safety net in case of a divorce. This is, according to the folks I’ve read, something of an open secret in Indian society–no one talks about it, but somehow, most women know. Bringing it out into the open is actually very uncomfortable for social conservatives.
So yes, that billboard is actually MORE feminist (once accounting for cultural variations on patriarchy) than this twit.
And don’t forget the concept of Hollywood Ugly (aka, “Glasses and Braces Ugly”), in which all a woman needs to go from plain (or even ‘hideous’) to gorgeous stunner is a simple makeover that takes about ten minutes. (When I saw that Selena Gomez had been picked for the role of Ugly Betty, I pretty much just gave up on Hollywood permanently.)
Of course, even that got replaced–now, instead of the woman having braces or glasses, she’s just stunningly beautiful but “awkward”, in ways that have absolutely no relation to actual social awkwardness whatsoever. (See: Zoe Deschanel.)
WWTH: That’s not the lesson I, as a girl and later a woman learned from the corporate media. I actually learned that if you a very conventionally beautiful woman you will get free shit, love, sex, and admiration. It also taught me that any woman isn’t extremely beautiful is worthless. That’s not exactly something that puts women at an advantage. This is something that causes us a lot of pain actually.
Who are you going to believe – these sage-like superintelligences or your own lying experience?
Speaking of ideals of skinniness, I remember some years ago a guy going on about how women need to get breast implants because if they are thin enough to be attractive, they’re too emaciated to support breast tissue.
I did an aptitude test when I was sixteen and I was in the 98th percentile for spatial awareness, meaning only 2% of test-takers had better spatial awareness than me.
Of course, I left my vagina in the car that day.
Also, nthing everyone else who has literally zero interest in diamonds. I swear, if a significant other ever presented me with one I’d be like “Dude, what the fuck did you spend all that money for? We could have gone TRAVELLING!”
And it didn’t even occur to him that maybe, just maybe, such a contradictory standard is fucked up?
How did he think men ever found women beautiful before the invention of cosmetic surgery?
I think these guys assume that men never found women attractive. There’s only different levels at which they’re acceptable, and historically, women have been less acceptable than they are now.
Unless they’re talking about how modern feminism and western society has ruined women and made them LESS acceptable than they were historically.
I don’t know how they can do all these mental gymnastics. My brain is twisting itself into knots trying to figure it out…
These guys would be utterly dumbfounded by my parents’ marriage, which lasted 35 years until my dad passed away last year. My mom kept track of all the finances and did all the driving. She refused to use credit cards or live beyond their means and although grateful, she seemed a bit annoyed whenever my dad bought her what she considered really extravagant gifts. She was and still is very beautiful, but hated spending money on herself – like me, she wears classic clothes that don’t go out of style so she doesn’t have to go shopping. Oh, and prior to marrying my dad (who definitely wasn’t rich), her last serious boyfriend had been a wealthy and famous country singer’s son … so there goes the hypergamy theory.
I don’t find people of size unattractive… But I think one of these redpill guys would just psychically radiate serious bad vibes.