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After a day spent going through hundreds of pages of violent misogyny posted in that notorious 4channer IRC chat log, I thought I’d cleanse my palate by taking another peek into Reddit’s favorite gathering hole for Red Pill Redditors. The Red Pill subreddit, after all, is all about self-improvement, and helping men navigate the sexual marketplace in “a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.”
So let’s see what sort of self-improvement tips I can find there today! Here’s one!
![sumdumguy-throwaway 6 points 17 hours ago If women didn't have vaginas, they would be hunted for sport. permalink save report give gold [–]2vengefully_yours 11 points 14 hours ago Not much of a challenge really, they are slow, relatively incompetent, weak as shit, and have nearly zero spatial ability. It would be like hunting a video game journalist.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/vaginas.png?ssl=1)
Oh, dear. We’re off to a really bad start here. I mean, some people might consider these comments to be just an eensy-weensy bit, you know, sexist.
But these are just a couple of comments. Let’s back up a moment to look at the post these comments were responding to. Here it is, a (presumably) very thoughtful treatise on the expectations men and women have going into relationships, by a fellow with the unusual name Gay Lube-Oil. (Presumably his parents, Mr. and Mrs. Lube-Oil, named him after “new journalism” legend Gay Talese.) It’s got literally hundreds of upvotes, so it must be pretty good.
So let’s take a look at the younger Mr. Lube-Oil’s thoughts on this fascinating topic.
What you’re going to find is that western and western influenced women expect a lot more from men than they’re willing to give in return. Women shouldn’t be judged for their bodies but that fat dude is a creep. I needed time to find myself but men without a good income are losers. My husband needs to be there for me, but if I sense any emotional weakness ill be gone faster than Jose Canseco during a piss test.
Huh. I see no citations for any of this, but I guess I’ll take his word for it.
Why are all women like this?
Ah, a variation on Freud’s famous question: “women — what’s their fucking problem?”
Because all her life, the only thing that was expected of her was for her to bring her vagina. It got her into parties and clubs. It got her drugs. It might have even helped her get a job that she was less qualified for. The corporate media taught her that as a vagina operator, men owed her tons of free shit. The movies and shows that she defines herself by depict women as passive objects to be showered in male affection. Diamonds are a girls best friend (because women are incapable of real friendship).
Huh. I thought maybe I’d ask my best friend about this, but as it turns out she’s a woman, and therefore not my best friend at all.
Its foolish to expect any equality in a relationship because society conditions women to be selfish assholes. When a women says that she will be there for her boyfriend. She means in the literal physical sense. Depressed men are unattractive and women have no interest being anywhere near them. Ultimately, most women only bring to relationships what they bring to the club: vagina.
This is kind of a double whammy because, as we’ve been told again and again from the fellows I write about on this blog, vaginas are dirty and slimy and smell very, very bad.
There are two ways to respond to this Red Pill truth. You can use women for their vaginas and nothing else. Or you can teach her to cook, workout and whatever else you expect out of a LTR. In the end all you get by default is vagina, unless she stops being attracted to you. If that’s the case she has a headache.
It’s like that old joke: “Boy, the vaginas at this place are really stinky. And such small portions!”Â
(Thanks, Blue Pill Subreddit, for pointing me to these wondrous bits of Red Pill Wisdom.)
It did?
Wow, I am a terrible corporate media student. I get an F in knowing my vagina means men owe me free shit.
Also, there are few things I care less about than diamonds. Actually, right now I am trying to think about something I care less about than diamonds, and I can’t. Every thing I think of, I care more about than diamonds.
I care more about kitty litter than diamonds. I care more about shelf space than diamonds. I care more about ants than diamonds.
Hell’s teeth!
I’ve been toting this super duper magic vagina around with me for 65+ years. Nobody told meeeeee that I’m supposed to get all this free stuff. Is there a warehouse somewhere I can go and pick all these accumulated goodies up from? I’ve got my very own trailer for my very own car into the bargain, no trouble if there are lots of big parcels.
I’ve got a good mind to frame a blistering memo for the attention of everyone at Feminist Hivemind Headquarters. This level of incompetence is intolerable.
Maybe the men could train women to play video games, as well as to cook and workout. Then they could have a partner to mulitplay with, someone who could be trusted to watch their back and….no ? OK, ok, I forgot. NO WOMEN IN GAMING!
But, if women have nothing but a vagina, and no agency, and men need to train them to do other things..uh…OMG! A counter-culture group of men have been turning women into feminist SJW and sending them out to destroy gaming!!!!!
@mildlymagnificent lol
Cloudiah: That was Hella funny! I need to have a word with my vagina too. She obviously has not been doing her job cuz I haven’t gotten any of the stuff She’s entitled to and I’ve been doing ALL the work in our relationship, like going to school and buying my own drinks and shit.
Nequam: And what…be rejected by gay men too? There’s no gay man who would want them either.
I’m pretty sure the corporate media talked about up there never actually taught me that I would get free stuff for having a vagina. It DID teach me that I could MAKE men give me unsolicited attention just by being in public though… If I happened to match some unrealistic standard of beauty.
And lol @grumpycatisagirl, I also can’t think of a single thing that I care about less than a shiny rock that I could decorate myself with. But nearly all the men my boyfriend interacts with seem to think that I’m going to disappear if I don’t get one soon. He gets a ton of comments from his male friends, coworkers, virtual strangers about how he needs to go out and buy me a ring immediately or I’ll get fed up and leave him.
Funny, his female friends don’t seem to have any such notions.
Yeah, Pendragon, I suppose that all the time that I spent lending emotional support to my ex and to my current boyfriend when they were suffering emotional turmoil happened in my imagination. Not to mention all the time that I’ve spent letting depressed friends unload on me. Then again, since I’ve also leaned on them for support at times, it probably means that none of it counted because a relationship or friendship between a man and a woman that involves more or less equal give and take is really an unequal one that’s unfair to the man.
I must have not learned my proper corporate lessons as well.
When I got engaged my husband asked what kind of ring I’d like, assuming some sort of diamond. I didn’t want a diamond. I didn’t want anything fancy at all. Nice and simple. It’s the symbolism that matters.
He did give me some small and pretty diamond earrings a few years later. They’re beautiful. It’s nice that they have diamonds on them but if they were fake diamonds they’d still be pretty.
I fail a lot and being a proper woman.
Woah is me.
“Remember, honey, this is crucial that you don’t lose it. Always check that you have it in your bag. We cannot afford another one, understand? Good. Now, go, you’ll be late.”
Like, political parties and sports clubs as well?
Wow, that’s new. Update Bingo checklist!
Why assume she was less qualified? Also: typical “Deny glass ceiling exist” response.
Oookey, mystery solved. Seems like another case of personal experience induced butthurt.
oh dear woah=woe heh
All I can figure is these guys know absolutely no real people. To call their descriptions of women caricatures would be overly generous. I am in possession of a vagina and would blow their simple little skulls to bits with my life and those of women I know. My husband is a carpenter and he’s currently building an apartment over our garage (which he also built, along with our house) and the only income is mine. Two of them actually. Full time day job and part time furniture refinisher. When we got married I told him the only diamonds I was interested in were polishing/cutting tools. And teach her to cook? Oh, honey . . . . . .
” Diamonds are a girls best friend (because women are incapable of real friendship)”
Actually, my current best friend is a random orbital sander. Close enough.
http://www.troll.me/images/jackie-chan-whut/my-brain-is-full-of-fuck.jpg
“I remember the day I forgot my vagina at home. Was fired from my job so went to the club to let loose a little, of course they wouldn’t let me in. No one even gave me diamonds. Awful!”
I’m dying.
Huh.
Here’s a thought I’ve been having lately, while on the hour long public transporation ride that my work and studies entail.
I find it interesting how a lot of MRA / PuA stuff is actually feminist rhetoric flipped 180 degrees. (Or 570, or however many turns of a degree it takes for the thing to rotate into a barely connected parallel plane of wrong).
So… Some feminist write and talk and lecture about the fact that a lot of women are perceived as a sex class, valuable only for their reproductive capacity and generally a resource to be exploited to create more of the valuable humans, the men. And I know this is a thing that “Public Culture” at large has sort of gotten, in a half memetic way, because you can see professed feminist characters in books or movies or tv deals or magazines hint at that or talk about it or make the old stand-by sit-com complaint about men and their desires. At least I do, sometimes.
And then you get these MRA types… who take this idea and instead of it being a bad thing suddenly it’s a massive benefit to women who are evil and out to get you. No no, being percieved as a reproductive asset is totally positive because sometimes it gets your free stuff! No, no, there’s totally a conspiracy against men who won’t be hired in a company because they’re just thought of as walking penisses. No no, women conspire accidentally to keep all the nice guys down by never letting them do or act in certain ways because that benefits them.
But you know all that, because you’re not stupid. No, no, my thought is this:
If they’re so clearly familiar enough with feminist ideas and thoughts to twist them into a mockery and use terms like construction, power dynamics, relations, oppressed groups, privilege, classism, why do they get it so consistently angrily wrong?!
“No no, I get that there’s a system in place that disproportional benefits one group of people over another, and has done so historically, and is really at fault for a lot of our stagnated ways of thinking, but where you say it’s patriarchal attitudes, I say it’s not! It’s actually the women!“
In my 60s. Been married 45 years this coming Saturday. Spouse and I have been through so much together. WTF is wrong with these Red Pill etc. asshats? We’ve comforted each other through deaths, depression, illness, kids with problems, work troubles, and you name it. I don’t think he loves me for my vagina and I don’t think he’d hunt me for sport. Again: WTF is wrong with these guys? My husband is my best friend and I’m his. As we enter old age we think about the future and the probability that one of us will be deprived of the other’s company at some point, and it makes us very sad.
Diamonds are a girl’s best friend? Does he believe every marketing slogan he hears? Does he think that beef must be included in every dinner too?
Well, in all fairness, I am sitting at home alone right now, drinking coffee and eating bonbons and mammoth meat, while the mister is doing mister stuff and my vagina fruits are at school. I am not, in fact, cooking anything or working out.
I did, however, send my vagina to the gym, so maybe I’m not a total parasite?
@quantumscale: it would seem so.
Transphobic much, Mr. Misogynist Shithead?
^this
He saying: “She’s not serving me or being a properly owned appliance for another man, so I hate her. I bet all men hate women as much as I do. It isn’t fair that I cannot own a woman and use her and treat her like the shit she is for fun.”
That’s what most of the misogynist rants I see boil down to. It all kinda comes back to women’s agency, ability, equality and independence being threatening and that it should be punished.
Ultimately, they’re just pouting that women are being treated like people. He chose “…hunted for sport” as being what he believes men would (and it is implied “should”) do to women who refuse to provide a service for them just to make sure we didn’t miss that women are less than human. He didn’t say murder because only people are murdered and murder is immoral. He did not say execute, assassinate, or kill. He used the more aggressive and dehumanizing “hunt” and added that “for sport” to convey just how flippantly and gleefully he believes men would kill women if they could not use our vaginas. (As if they don’t kill enough women now, even though many of us do posses a vagina.)
I’d say if this guy were setting out to sum up beliefs that support rape culture and misogyny, he knocked it out of the park.
I especially liked the part about how easy it is to be a woman, followed by how hated and in danger he assumes we are when men can’t use our vaginas or our bodies lack a handy dandy vagina. Lucky us. Yay for being a lady!
Cargo cult oppression.
lkeke35: True,but I guess I wonder if attempting to suppress a sexual orientation that’s anathema didn’t contribute to their generally twisted and miserable state.
It does. What they do is completely devalue it, just like they devalue pretty much everything to do with women. One charming fellow argued that pregnancy and birth were completely involuntary funtions, no different than taking a shit, and so deserved no credit.
So not only are women valuable only for their reproductive capacity, that reproductive capacity isn’t that valuable.
I think it was Wanda Sykes who did a stand-up bit about how awesome it would be for women if we could leave our vaginas at home? Like, you want to go out for a run after dark, you could just leave it behind and if the rapist jumped out at you, you’d be all, “Nope, sorry, left it at home!”