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Zoe Quinn's screenshots of 4chan's dirty tricks were just the appetizer. Here's the first course of the dinner, directly from the IRC log

Sorry, guys. I actually read the logs.
Sorry, guys. I actually read the logs.

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A couple of days ago, embattled indie game designer Zoe Quinn embarrassed some of her biggest critics by posting screenshots she’d collected from a 4channer IRC channel, showing an assortment of hateful and duplicitous #GamerGaters literally conspiring to wreck her reputation and create the illusion of a vast grassroots uprising against alleged corruption in the gaming business.

Her critics, put on the defensive, tried their best to dismiss her screenshots as “cherry picked,” and a few even accused her of writing the very messages she screenshotted and posted. Oh, there might be a few bad apples in the bunch, some were willing to concede, but they were in the minority.

And then they pulled out what they thought was their trump card: the full chat log from the IRC channel #burgersandfries from when the Zoe Quinn “scandal” first erupted in mid-August up until September 6th. All anyone had to do, they suggested, was to read the log, and they would soon see that Quinn was presenting a distorted picture based on out-of-context, “cherry-picked” quotes.

Of course, reading this particular log is a bit easier said than done: it’s 3756 pages, in 10-point type, of chaotic overlapping IRC conversations.

This is a classic case of what’s come to be known as “doc dumping,” which Wikipedia helpfully defines as

the act of responding to an adversary’s request for information by presenting the adversary with a large quantity of data that is transferred in a manner that indicates unfriendliness, hostility, or a legal conflict between the transmitter and the receiver of the information. The shipment of dumped documents is unsorted, or contains a large quantity of information that is extraneous to the issue under inquiry … .

It’s clear that those posting links to the log are hoping that their opponents will take one look at this enormous, messy document and simply give up.

What they didn’t count on was anyone calling their bluff – and actually taking the time to read it. Because if they actually knew what this document contained, and thought anyone would actually read the thing, they would have kept the links to themselves.

Even a quick skim through the document demonstrates that Quinn’s screenshots are hardly cherry-picked; you can flip to literally any page in this long, long document and find evidence of egregious misogyny and outright malice. Look a little deeper and you can find discussions of doxxing and spamming and all sorts of other dirty tricks.

But I’ve given the document a lot more than a quick skim. So far I’ve spent probably ten hours going through it, collecting evidence of all the things that the defenders of 4chan insist isn’t there. Even after ten hours, I’ve only begun to scratch the surface, but I would like to present you with some of my results so far.

Today, let’s look at some of what the 4chan chatters had to say about Zoe Quinn herself.

On Twitter, the standard line of the #GamerGate partisans is that what they’re doing isn’t abut Quinn herself; its a protest against corruption and nepotism in the video game world. They also insist that they’re not motivated by misogyny, and that they are more concerned about the alleged ethical lapses of game journalists than they are with just who Zoe Quinn allegedly slept with.

When it comes to the 4channers in #burgersandfries, these claims are complete and utter bullshit. The name “Zoe” appears 4778 times in the document, more than once per page; by contrast, “Nathan” – the first name of the allegedly corrupt game journalist she allegedly slept with – appears only 108 times. The words “ethics” and “ethical” appear, collectively, only 146 times.

Zoe’s name is in the official thread topic; chatters include it in their jokey nicknames. She’s the topic everyone always comes back to. She’s the reason everyone is there.

I decided to examine each occurrence of the name “Zoe” in order to see just what 4channers thought of her. After about 6 hours on this particular quest, I’ve only made it through roughly one-third of the mentions. But the results are not pretty.

The 4channers express their hatred and disgust towards her; they express their glee at the thought of ruining her career; they fantasize about her being raped and killed. They wonder if all the harassment will drive her to suicide, and only the thought of 4chan getting bad publicity convinces some of them that this isn’t something they should hope for.

They gleefully distribute nude pictures of her, posting links to online archives of them and emailing them directly both to Quinn’s supporters.

They dig up all sorts of information about her and her family and do their best to track down anyone and everyone with even the most tenuous links to her. One industrious researcher even manages to find a picture of Quinn at age 13; while acknowledging that it had no relevance whatsoever to issues of gaming ethics, she posts a link to it anyway.

And then there is the ongoing discussion of her vagina, described variously as “wide,” large enough to “fit 12 dicks at once, and “a festering cheese-filled vagina” that leaves “a trail of cunt slime” wherever she goes. Several 4channers speculate about its smell.

It’s not clear how exactly the size or shape or smell of Quinn’s vagina relates to the high-minded issues of gaming ethics that the #GamerGaters are said to be concerned with. But in the IRC log no one ever seems to call out any of those talking about Quinn in the crudest sexual terms.

Lets’ go to the logs directly. Everything that follows is cut and pasted directly from the full log, available here.

That said, IRC discussions can be chaotic and confusing, generally with more than one conversation going on at once, so in some cases, I have removed extraneous comments in order to make what is being said clearer. I’ve indicated all cuts with ellipses, and if you want to see what I’ve removed it should be trivial for you to locate the quotes in the full log by doing a search for an appropriate phrase or the relevant time and date stamp.

TRIGGER WARNING for discussion of rape, suicide and murder.

The log starts early on in the Zoe Quinn “scandal,” and numerous people in the chat talk about distributing her nude pictures to as many people as possible:

Aug 18 17.37.57 <SweetJBro> lol I’m tweeting Zoe’s nudes to some of her defenders.

A few days later, several other chatters talk about harassing Quinn by sending her own nude pictures to her:

Aug 21 23.20.35 there should be a massive campaign to tweet zoe her own nudes …
Aug 21 23.21.01 <Silver|2> They’ve been tweeted at her a lot

Here’s a chatter making clear that he’s mainly interested in seeing Quinn suffer:

Aug 18 20.10.06 i couldnt care less about vidya, i just want to see zoe receive her comeuppance

Here are some speculating about her state of mind:

Aug 19 01.34.01 if you were zoe right now what would you do
Aug 19 01.34.07 <FIVE-GUYS> get mugged
Aug 19 01.36.41 in all seriousness, i dont know
Aug 19 01.37.03 <FIVE-GUYS> ive never been in a situation like this
Aug 19 01.37.15 i’d probably kill myself tbh

Here are some others talking about the possibility of Quinn committing suicide, a possibility one chatter greets with a smiley:

Aug 19 02.28.30 okay, is zoe actually depressed?
Aug 19 02.28.35 i bet she is now
Aug 19 02.28.37 <mugg> diagnosed etc?
Aug 19 02.28.39 kek …
Aug 19 02.29.22 <Opus> I think she tried killing herself before
Aug 19 02.29.28 <kailasha> she should try that again :^)

“Kek,” by the way, is a nerdy version of “lol.”

Here one chatter suggests that focusing only on Quinn is a bad idea – because it will make 4channers look bad:

Aug 21 17.23.31 <sarahv> The problem is that making it about Zoe sleeping around amounts to a personal attack which, while funny and something she totally deserves, will hurt our chances of pushing the other point …
Aug 21 17.23.38 <rd0951> ./v should be focused on the implications of gaming journalism …
Aug 21 17.23.47 Because SJWs will cherry-pick the /b/ shit posting and say “See? It’s sexist MRAs!”

A few days later, this (relative) voice of moderation gleefully jokes about Quinn being choked to death during sex:

Aug 22 02.02.46 <CutestGAmerGorl> Okay guys, how much does Zoe like being choked
Aug 22 02.02.49 <CutestGAmerGorl> during sex? …
Aug 22 02.02.58 <sarahv> clearly not enough

Here one chatter openly fantasizes about driving Quinn to “an hero” — that is, kill — herself:

Aug 21 17.48.06 I’m debating whether or not we should just attack zoe …
Aug 21 17.48.29 <Opfag> push her… push her further….. further, until eventually she an heroes …
Aug 21 17.48.51 <OtherGentleman> … What makes you think she has the balls to kill herself?
Aug 21 17.48.57 I kind of want to just make her life irrepairably horrible …
Aug 21 17.49.16 <NASA_Agent> but what if she suicides …
Aug 21 17.49.24 <Opfag> Good.
Aug 21 17.49.29 Then we get to troll #Rememberzoe

One chatter warns that this strategy might … make 4chan look a tad misogynistic:

Aug 21 17.49.45 The more you try to attack her directly, the more she gets to play the victim card and make a bunch of friends who will support her because, since she has a vagina, any attack is misgony

Meanwhile, one of the other chatters suggests a rather creative division of labor amongst partisans of different 4chan message boards:

Aug 21 17.49.48 <rd0951> ./v should be in charge of the gaming journalism aspect of it. /pol should be in charge of the feminism aspect, and /b should be in charge of harassing her into killing herself

In the following excerpt, the IRC channel moderator asks one chatter why he is so obsessed with elaborate fantasies of Quinn dying in particularly gruesome ways:

Aug 21 18.26.37 <Cyberserker> You need a reason …
Aug 21 18.28.14 <Opfag> Well I don’t have a legitimate reason.
Aug 21 18.28.21 <Cyberserker> Nothing?
Aug 21 18.28.21 <Opfag> I just want to see her die horribly.
Aug 21 18.28.29 <Cyberserker> I’m talking about [your particular fantasies]
Aug 21 18.28.33 <Opfag> Oh.
Aug 21 18.28.39 <totality> sometimes you just want someone to get hurt
Aug 21 18.28.43 <Opfag> That, I have no idea
Aug 21 18.28.48 <totality> nothing wrong with that
Aug 21 18.28.51 all I know is I want zoe to die like that

While some fantasize about Quinn dying, others fill the chat with crude and often bizarre sexual remarks. All of the following comments came from a mere seven minutes in the chatroom:

Aug 22 02.21.54 i want to smell zoe quinn’s armpits …

Aug 22 02.25.42 you all would fuck the zoeholes
Aug 22 02.25.46 <JTG> given a chance too
Aug 22 02.25.47 <The_Remover> I am extremely aroused right now …

Aug 22 02.26.47 someone seduce zoe quinn
Aug 22 02.26.53 <vanu> follow the shekels
Aug 22 02.26.56 <The_Remover> I volunteer to take one for the team
Aug 22 02.26.57 <vanu> to her vagina …

Aug 22 02.28.51 meditate to nude pictures of zoe
Aug 22 02.28.53 <The_Remover> she gonna get raped

Of course, the 4channers are quick to profess disgust at the assorted nude pictures of Quinn they’re happily passing around to one another and the internet at large:

Aug 22 04.50.24 by the by, trigger warning on that mediafire archive. don’t download if you don’t want to see zoe naked …
Aug 22 21.17.13 <JCTheDenthog> Zoe’s mouth must be the strongest vacuum in nature to compensate for her face, body, and everything

Another suggests that his 4chan brethren download Quinn’s nudes if not for their own sexual gratification than for possible further blackmail later:

Aug 22 04.53.14 Eugh, why would you want to have her on your HDD? …
Aug 22 04.53.45 <The_Remover> because, a couple of months from now, when all this shit has died down, a raid may just be in order …
Aug 22 04.54.10 and i bet her dad doesn’t know she did porn …

Several days into the scandal, one chatter laments that there’s not much dirt left to dig on Quinn:

Aug 22 23.00.55 <Drinky_Kraw> I don’t think there’s anything left to harass Zoe over anyway. …
Aug 22 23.01.00 <Drinky_Kraw> The laundry is pretty much all aired

By the 23rd, some bored chatters compare notes on what they see as the relative sexual pros and cons of Quinn and game critic Anita Sarkeesian:

Aug 23 05.40.20 <Josh_> Zoe has a gross robotic hand, blue hair, and tats 4 days
Aug 23 05.40.29 <Josh_> if I was forced to put my dick in one of them
Aug 23 05.40.29 <Josh_> Anita
Aug 23 05.40.39 <GribFabdabgib> If I had to put my dick in them, yeah Anita
Aug 23 05.40.43 Anita is a skinny bitch whos all bones
Aug 23 05.40.48 <DarkHiero> True …

Aug 23 05.41.07 <DarkHiero> But at least it looks like she tries to take care of herself. …
Aug 23 05.41.15 <Headsmash_> From just looks alone, Id rather do Zoe than Anita. Fat bitches usually give better head anyway.
Aug 23 05.41.21 <DarkHiero> If I’m putting my dick in crazy, that matters.
Aug 23 05.42.00 <DTrig> Yeah but odds are good you get the clap/crabs from Zoe
Aug 23 05.42.14 <Headsmash_> Same could be said for Anita based on what we know
Aug 23 05.42.17 <Headsmash_> lol
Aug 23 05.42.32 * DarkHiero shrugs
Aug 23 05.42.34 Anita looks like she douches though
Aug 23 05.42.36 <DTrig> ANd cleans up
Aug 23 05.42.39 Zoe…. eh

And then it’s back to another discussion of suicide:

Aug 23 19.38.17 <Headsmash_> So does anyone think Zoe’s gonna off herself and become a catalyst for misogyny and hatred of women in video games and video game culture? …
Aug 23 19.38.47 if zoe offed herself she probably wouldn’t be anything but an ED article ..
Aug 23 19.38.55 <Araf> Headsmash_: She won’t, she has a too big ego …
Aug 23 19.39.13 <Headsmash_> I’m not too sure about that. I think she could.
Aug 23 19.39.16 <Araf> She would off herself if everyone ignored her and abandoned her, which is not the case. …
Aug 23 19.39.25 <Headsmash_> Depends on how much she gets stuck in the victimization complex. …
Aug 23 19.39.28 Really the 5guys scandal is the most famous Zoe has been …
Aug 23 19.39.43 <rd0952> yeah but she’s also been harassed night and day for a week

Other chatters indulge in sadistic fantasies:

Aug 24 12.24.22 who really wants to meet zoe quinn and be kind and comfort her in this time of crisis
Aug 24 12.24.43 <Cyberserker> Not if you comfort her with a knife-hug
Aug 24 12.24.45 <Cameralady> and slowly, through friendship and blossoming relationship, get her to repair her shitty ways and come clean and become a good person …

Aug 24 12.24.52 <Cameralady> and then
Aug 24 12.24.56 <Cameralady> once she’s reformed
Aug 24 12.24.58 <Cyberserker> knife-hug?
Aug 24 12.25.07 dump her in the most brutal, heartwrenching way possible

One chatter wants his fellow 4channers to declare victory and move on:

Aug 24 15.16.10 <PaperDinosaur> Also Zoe is no longer the target to be focused on
Aug 24 15.16.13 <Josh_> ^^
Aug 24 15.16.14 <sarahv> ^^^^^
Aug 24 15.16.18 It’s about the 5guys
Aug 24 15.16.21 <sarahv> It always has been
Aug 24 15.16.28 <Josh_> It’s more about the journos
Aug 24 15.16.33 <PaperDinosaur> She’s done, we’ve wrecked her in a professional manner. …
Aug 24 15.16.42 <sarahv> Unfortunately most of the people involved in this seem to be interested in destroying Zoe
Aug 24 15.16.46 stop digging up shit on zoe’s past
Aug 24 15.16.47 <PaperDinosaur> Now we have to wreck her shield, the people who tried to defend her

Soon afterwards the same guy who suggested that they move on from Quinn is back making jokes about her killing herself:

Aug 24 16.33.54 <PaperDinosaur> Guys, lets me fair to Zoe here
Aug 24 16.34.02 If every time I did something people sent me nues of her
Aug 24 16.34.07 <PaperDinosaur> I’d fucking kill myself

That same evening, Quinn’s ex-boyfriend – the fellow who started the whole thing going with a long series of blog entries documenting Quinn’s alleged infidelities – shows up on the channel to ask questions from the assembled mob.

Here is one of the questions he chose to answer:

Aug 25 00.02.21 <Cyberserker> Last question is from several people actually. I wanted to save it until the end due to how popular it was.
Aug 25 00.02.22 <Cyberserker> “Would you say Zoe was a “big girl” for you?” …

Aug 25 00.03.04 <Eron_G> she is heavier than people I usually date. …

Aug 25 00.03.12 <Cyberserker> Fair enough …

Aug 25 00.03.14 <ebola-chan> Did she not fly so good?

And a few that he didn’t:

Aug 25 00.04.13 What does her pusy smell like must answer …
Aug 25 00.07.11 Eron, when you went down on her, did you taste the other guys semen? If so, what did it taste like? …
Aug 25 00.10.40 Eron I don’t think you want your headphones back, it’s most likely splattered in Nathan’s semen and Robin’s Menstrual fluids. …
Aug 25 00.16.52 eron are you going to take up sucking dick now that you’ve been cucked by the 2/10 ugly jew

Later that morning the chatters are back to sharing their creepy and violent sexual fantasies:

Aug 25 00.19.28 <EronLovesZoe> I feel like I would probably fuck Zoe. But not out of a loving sense of sexual attraction. More of that “hate fuck” sense where you just want to assert your dominance as a male on her, a primal savagery. Then I’d probably have to sterilize myself to prevent the genome from spreading.
Aug 25 00.19.59 I’d slap a saddle on zoe and ride her throught the midwest
Aug 25 00.20.02 I wouldn’t even get that far EronLovesZoe, I’d just start raging and headbutting her and gnawing on her cheek …

Aug 25 00.20.10 that seabiscuit looking ass bith

And talking again about the pros and cons of trying to get Quinn to kill herself:

Aug 25 07.18.18 <Logan> Any chance we can get Zoe to commit suicide?
Aug 25 07.18.29 if we can get more daming evidence
Aug 25 07.18.29 I think the [doxxing info removed by DF] is a good shot.
Aug 25 07.18.33 <temet> like her fucking a train of lack dudes …
Aug 25 07.18.39 <PaperDinosaur> fuck off Logan
Aug 25 07.18.39 <temet> black
Aug 25 07.18.51 <Logan> Nah 21st century doing a train is so 90s. …
Aug 25 07.18.59 <PaperDinosaur> If she commits suicide we lose everything …
Aug 25 07.20.34 <PaperDinosaur> If you can’t see how driving Zoe to suicide would fuck this entire thing up then you’re a fucking idiot
Aug 25 07.20.41 Imagine the kotaku article …
Aug 25 07.20.48 <temet> PaperDinosaur is right
Aug 25 07.20.51 <temet> not the right PR play

Not. The. Right. PR. Play.

And on that note I am going to end this installment.

This is only a small fraction of the terrible stuff said about Quinn, in the small portion of the log I have managed to read through so far.

I may return with more installments. Honestly, I’m not sure how much more I can stomach.

But I will certainly write more about the 4channers’ discussions about doxxing and hacking Quinn and others; again, I have looked only at a portion of the logs so far, but there is already a great deal there.

EDIT: Just realized that WordPress ate a bunch of the names of the posters in the quotes here. (WordPress likes to eat angle brackets.) I’ll manually add the names back in when I get the chance.

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saphy
saphy
7 years ago

Hi random hajile! Welcome! I’d post a Welcome Package link here but I’m actually posting from my phone during work hours so it’s a bit difficult to go trawling.

I think someone said it is located on the sidebar?

Anyway, back to soul-crushing capitalist exploitation for me.

Real Kim - accept no imitations
Real Kim - accept no imitations
7 years ago

@jojo
Welcome! But I think you meant @Kimposter not @Kim

Tessa
Tessa
7 years ago

Kim Etzerodt :

Here’s someone else who’s gone over the chat logs and compared them to Quinn’s claims about them:

View profile at Medium.com

I read some of your linked narrative. And there was one thing I noticed…
It’s incredibly dishonest.

There is a part where they try to show that basically the people are meeean to everybody and not actually focused on Zoe. So they post this:

Some posters calling Zoe Quinn a number of names in reference to her sexual activity and physical appearance. (https://archive.moe/v/thread/258174703/#258176468, https://archive.moe/v/thread/258174703/#258176784)
Some posters calling Nathan Grayson a number of names in reference to his sexual activity and physical appearance. (https://archive.moe/v/thread/258174703/#258178945, https://archive.moe/v/thread/258174703/#258179060, https://archive.moe/v/thread/258179638/#258180236)
Some posters calling Eron Gjoni a number of names (https://archive.moe/v/thread/258182378/#258183997).
Some posters insulting other posters (https://archive.moe/v/thread/258179638/#258181448).

Notice how there are similar numbers of links to each? Implying that this happens to everyooooone! There was no singling out Zoe. everybody is insuuuuulted But you see, if you remember what David said… Zoe is mentioned 4778 times and Nathan is mentioned is 108. Hmmm That’s more than TWICE as many! Well. So you can see how posting 2 links to bad things about Zoe and 3 about Nathan is a bit dishonest and kinda implies that they get similar amounts of insults. And let’s take a look at one of the 3… What do they say to insult Nathan?

>Friggen Nathan Stupid-Red-Pants-Wearing Kotaku-Writing Grayson.

Yes. That’s the insult the guy linked to that was characterized as “A number of posters calling Nathan Grayson a number of names in reference to his sexual activity and physical appearance.”

The others were 1)just restating that he had sex with “this poon” so it seems more about saying he’s bad for having sex with Zoe (totally not singling out Zoe)… And 2) called him a faggot. (actually this one had a few more people insulting his actual writing as a journalist… interesting how his insults are more about his work than anything else. (By interesting I mean predictable.)

In both links about Zoe, they referred to her has a c*nt. (I don’t remember if spam filter catches that word here).

So yeah… Not exactly an honest piece you linked to. Sorry.

Tessa
Tessa
7 years ago

Hehe… Totally forgot a bunch of links will land your post in moderation. And to think I was worried about the c-word.

jojo
jojo
7 years ago

Kim’s gaslighting wall of text was the most frustrating and tedious thing to read, even if it was being dissected as it went by. Its very obvious now what these people’s plan was after they released the transcripts.Since we are dealing with 3,000+ pages worth of junk, confirming anything is an utter pain in the ass so they can get away with saying “read the transcripts”. This reminds me so much of how conservatives made shit up about Obama during the first election while went into internet forums and tried to seem like they were being fair and balanced and that Obama was actually really evil and some shit.

And thanks for the welcome package. I felt really hurt how i never received one when i started posting two months ago :'(

Shiraz
Shiraz
7 years ago

Catching up from last night. One of our newbies said, “I don’t have enough boxes of wine for this shit.” I laughed. Truly. Could there ever be enough boxes of wine for this shit?

Are the trolls becomming increasingly boring? It seems so. I dunno. I think it’s funny that they think they can argue us out of thinking gamergate is all about misogyny. Oh, and they really just thought they could post all this toxic shit on the internet and no one would find it — except for fellow bros.

Real Kim - accept no imitations
Real Kim - accept no imitations
7 years ago

I know that person came in here with Kim as part of their name, but Kim is the username I have been using here for a long time. I know it’s not as unique as other people’s usernames, but it’s mine, so please don’t refer to trolls by my username, especially when it looks like you’re referring to me or quoting me like I said horrible things. For reference their username is “Kim Etzerodt”.

Sarah
Sarah
7 years ago

Even if anything about their whining about “corruption” made any sense, it’s telling how they pretend to condemn so strongly to be “untruthful” or “biased” about a game review, but excuse, incite and rejoice on (if they don’t do it themselves) spreading lies and libel about a woman. Nobody’s buying your “integrity” facade, losers.

Also, talk about exposing their shit: Zoe’s crime seems to have a body and a sexual life while being a woman, which may be a scandal for these turds but is quite ordinary for the rest of us. Those IRC logs on the other hand are truly embarrassing and shameful shit.

GO DAMAGE CONTROL CHERNOBYL DUMBASSES

Real Kim - accept no imitations
Real Kim - accept no imitations
7 years ago

@Shiraz

It doesn’t even need to be all about misogyny. We don’t have to prove it’s all about misogyny, because we can prove it’s got a whole bunch of misogyny regardless of whether that’s it’s purpose or just an unhappy bonus.

daintydougal
7 years ago

In what situation could one legitimately accuse someone of playing the victim card? Does it have any other use than trying to silence victims?

(I realise to the people we’re dealing with, women are not fully human so cannot achieve true victim status in the way a man could, but outside of that toxic mess, is there a real use for the phrase?)

vaiyt
7 years ago

Sorry about the sperglords thing. I never knew it was an insult related to autism, my only contact with the word was in the context of passionately arrogant RPG fanboys.

@Kim, the boring one

Because, when anybody who wants to can, can join, and nobody can demand anything of them, you simply cannot claim to speak of what the entire movement wants, because you don’t know who everybody who’s part of it.

Then your movement has no objective, and you cannot come here and claim it has. It’s not a movement, just a mob. The people who are interested in rooting out corruption can and should call out the misogynists. I’m not really surprised that the gaggle of entitled nerds at 4chan has no idea how real protest movements work, but that’s no excuse.

Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

The more you try to attack her directly, the more she gets to play the victim card and make a bunch of friends who will support her because, since she has a vagina, any attack is misgony

I like that.
The more you attack her in ways that obsess over her gender and sexual behaviour, and fantasise about raping her, the more she can pretend that she’s being attacked in ways that obsess over her gender and sexual behaviour, and fantasise about raping her! Clearly the problem with attacking her is that people will think that it’s misogyny because she’s a woman, and not because we’re obsessing over her gender and sexual behaviour, and fantasising about raping her.
Ah, logic, how easy it is to throw you out of a window.

It’s interesting that they equate douching with good (or better) sexual health, too. Because nothing says thoughtful, rational human being like subscribing to well considered, medically supported, modern procedures… it is still 1914, right? Oh, I think my calendar went wrong….

Alex
7 years ago

@Tessa,

oe is mentioned 4778 times and Nathan is mentioned is 108. Hmmm That’s more than TWICE as many!

In fact, it’s over 44 times as many. That’s a pretty glaring false equivalency. Like maybe they think it’s inherently worse to call men names, so insulting a man once is worth more than 44 insults to a woman? Idfk.

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

I’d really like the kimposter to explain why any of those huge walls of text somehow prove that 4channers plotting to harrass Zoe Quinn is anything other than misogynistic.

daintydougal
7 years ago

Sparky sparky sparky. They’re not misogynists because they (and their defenders) say they are not. Silly confused sparky with your ‘questions’.

Antonio Pe Yang III
7 years ago

Long-time lurker here commenting for the first time.

1. Dayum, Dave. Please allow me to toast your bravery and sheer guts the next time I’m at the bar.

2. I identify as a gamer, and part of the reason I am speaking now is because I am angered that 4chan pretends to speak on my behalf. And they just had to do it by being sexist asshats – that is yet another advocacy (feminism) that I strongly believe in.

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

Notice how there are similar numbers of links to each? Implying that this happens to everyooooone! There was no singling out Zoe. everybody is insuuuuulted But you see, if you remember what David said… Zoe is mentioned 4778 times and Nathan is mentioned is 108. Hmmm That’s more than TWICE as many! Well. So you can see how posting 2 links to bad things about Zoe and 3 about Nathan is a bit dishonest and kinda implies that they get similar amounts of insults. And let’s take a look at one of the 3… What do they say to insult Nathan?

It’s almost like they’re…could it be? CHERRYPICKING?!

Kimposter,

You’re 100% full of shit so I’m afraid you wasted your time with that long screed that said next to nothing.

All your claims that some of the people using #gamergate are totally sincere in their concern about journalistic integrity (I don’t believe you’re one of them by the way) are invalid. Here’s why. Those 4chan logs prove that the whole thing started as a misogynistic harassment campaign aimed at ruining Zoe Quin’s life.

Anyone who is actually about integrity needs to back up their demands for integrity by behaving with integrity themselves. Participating in and defending a movement that was originally about gendered harassment of a woman? That’s not integrity. If you are concerned about corruption in the industry, find another venue to express it. Scrap the gamergate label and start with something new. Stop getting defensive with those of us that opposed harassment and threats. It will get you nowhere.

I also would like you to explain (succinctly please, no teal deers) why the focus is on indie games and not corporate games.

I’m sure it’s a complete coincidence that indie games are more inclusive and are more likely to cater to and/or be made by women, POC and LGTQ right? It’s totally a coincidence that the very white and male big corporate FPS games are getting left alone, yeah?

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

Oh, and more thing Kimposter,

Considering that those 4chan dudes admitted to using sockpuppets, it’s a little hard to believe that gamergate isn’t mostly made up straight white gamebros some of whom are pretending to be women or POC. It’s also a little hard to believe your claims that our side is harassing and is just as bad. How do we know it’s not more sockpuppets trying to stir shit up amongst the “SJWs?”

Tessa
Tessa
7 years ago

weirwoodtreehugger:

It’s also a little hard to believe your claims that our side is harassing and is just as bad. How do we know it’s not more sockpuppets trying to stir shit up amongst the “SJWs?”

And they don’t seem to provide examples of our side being just as bad.

Alex:

In fact, it’s over 44 times as many.

Yeah. My TWICE was a umm reverse exaggeration(is that a thing?… Maybe sarcasm fits better). It was on purpose. I guess the joke failed.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

It took Kimposter how long? An hour? to write that wall of text, and took me only seconds to scroll past it.

In what situation could one legitimately accuse someone of playing the victim card? Does it have any other use than trying to silence victims?

I think it’s legitimate to use it to describe people who are not at all victimized but making themselves out to be (whether disingenuously or because they legit don’t know what victimization is). I once knew a woman who claimed she’d been singled out in a parking lot because she had one of those Christian fish symbols on her car. Turned out she’d found a shopping cart leaning up against her car, with no actual damage to the car, but it inconvenienced her for a few seconds because she had to move it before driving away. She felt she had been targeted for her Christianity. ??? I would apply the “victim card” label there.

But this is a point of view.

Random Hajile
Random Hajile
7 years ago

@saphy: Thank you! Seems someone posted the welcome package literally just under your reply, so I got it. 😀

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
7 years ago

@Policy of Madness:

There were some random lines of discussion in the IRC about trying to get 4channers who had actually been abused to speak up in the #notyourshield campaign to try to lend legitimacy to it. I suppose that could be an actual case of “playing the victim card.”

Cat DeSpira
Cat DeSpira
7 years ago

You’ve got more nerve than any writer I have ever read. You go right to the core, dig in and excavate every shithole to expose the absolute filth of the MRA/Red Pill loonies. I shudder sometimes when I read the articles on your website as some of the creeps you highlight are truly the stuff of every woman’s nightmare.

Hats off to you for exposing them.
What you are doing is incredibly brave.

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

Dear trolls:

If you genuinely want journalistic integrity, that by your own definition, start your own games reporting site that adheres to your standards.

There’s enough of you.
You have the resources, the technical knowledge, the passion about games,and nobody’s stopping you.

Instead of attacking people because they aren’t giving you what you want, go make exactly the thing you want to see happen in the world.
You have the power to do that.
We aren’t stopping you.

Sincerely, one exasperated feminist.

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