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Check Out the Stumbling Block on Her: How the Duggars (and some MRAs) blame women’s bodies for men’s actions

How women secretly run the world
How women secretly run the world

Over on Boing Boing, Mark Frauenfelder has posted the excerpt below from A Love That Multiplies: An Up-Close View of How They Make It Work by Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar — yes, those Duggars — explaining how women “defraud” men when they dress in a way that men find exciting (in their pants). 

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This, sadly, is not exactly an original or even unusual notion in reactionary religious circles.

Indeed, a couple of years back, I found a rather scary post on a radically pro-patriarchal site called the CoAlpha Brotherhood in which one young man calling himself Drealm lamented that, as a man living “in a university town that’s overrun with young girls” he was literally “forced to stare at hundreds if not thousands of women a day, all of whom bring sluttiness to all new pinnacle”

Like the Duggars, Drealm thought that “a woman dressing provocatively and leaving a man in an unfinished state of excitement … is an assault on men’s sexuality.”

When women dress like this, he argued, he and other men couldn’t help but want to rape them.

[T]he only thing I want to do to a slut is rape them. … dressing like sluts brings out murders, rapists and sadists in men. … A society based on sluts, might as well be a pro-rapist society. 

Reading back over this now, it’s all a bit too reminiscent of the thinking of Elliot Rodger. Indeed, after Rodger went on his misogyny-driven murder spree, one CoAlpha Forum member wrote that Rodger “would have been a true hero” had he only killed more sorority women; the site now adorns its front page with an homage to Rodger.

But it isn’t just those on the margins of the manosphere who think this way. In The Myth of Male Power, the 1993 book that essentially provided the ideological blueprint for the Men’s Rights movement today, Warren Farrell famously wrote of the “miniskirt power” secretaries allegedly had over their male bosses.

Farrell is a couple of decades older now, and apparently it takes more than a miniskirt to render him powerless these days. And by “more than a miniskirt” I mean less. As in no clothing at all. When Farrell put out a new eBook edition of The Myth of Male Power last year, he had his publisher put a rear-view shot of a nude woman on the cover, “to illustrate,” as he explained in an appearance on Reddit,

that the heterosexual man’s attraction to the naked body of a beautiful woman takes the power out of our upper brain and transports it into our lower brain

This sort of logic, like that of the Duggars and of “Drealm” from the CoAlpha Brotherhood, also conveniently takes the blame for (heterosexual) male behavior and transports it into the bodies of women. With the Duggars, we’ve seen exactly where this sort of logic can lead.

Farrell, much like the Duggars and the excerable “Drealm,” also seems to think that women commit a kind of fraud against men when they “stir up sensual desires” that they don’t intend to fulfill. As Farrell wrote in The Myth of Male Power, when a man pays good money to take a woman out, and she doesn’t repay him, as it were, with sex, she is in his estimation committing a kind of “date fraud” or “date robbery.”

Or even a sort of date rape. Farrell wrote that

dating can feel to a man like robbery by social custom – the social custom of him taking money out of his pocket, giving it to her, and calling it a date. … Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape.

Emphasis mine, because holy fuck.

This is what happens when your ideology makes women responsible for (heterosexual) men’s desires. Hell, it’s what happens when you make anyone responsible for the desires of someone else, regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

Your pants feelings are your responsibility. Not anyone else’s. Full stop.

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kirbywarp
kirbywarp
7 years ago

@PoM:

I guess… but it feels so much more irritating than the name would imply.

Khane's Mom
Khane's Mom
7 years ago

How in the world did you guys NOT post Shemar Moore?!? Hell, I’m a lesbian and I think he’s hot! I don’t know how to do it; anyone want to help me out here?

Mark,
You do not live in your own reality and I’ll be damned if I’ll dress any way that I don’t feel like dressing. You can pry my crop tops, shorts, and sundresses from my cold dead hands. And, in the meantime, you can kiss my ass. No. Strike that. You must definitely may not kiss anything of mine.

misseb47
misseb47
7 years ago

Mark still hasn’t gone?! At least he is banned now. YYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!!! Thanks Darth Futrelle!! ALL HAIL THE DARK LORD!!
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MArk-Women don’t exist to please men’s boners and it is up to you to control yourself. Get over it!

Subtract Hominem, the Renegade Misandroid
Subtract Hominem, the Renegade Misandroid
7 years ago
katz
7 years ago

ALL HAIL DAVID!

Kestrel
Kestrel
7 years ago

To all the wonderful commenters on this thread:

No Mark, but everyone else: This has been a wonderful master class in how to deal with the most trying and tedious troll.

:APPLAUSE:

misseb47
misseb47
7 years ago

HAIL!! HAIL!! HAIL!! HAIL!! HAIL!! HAIL!! HAIL!!

http://www.evacommentary.org/forums/images/smiles/worship.gif

misseb47
misseb47
7 years ago

Kestrel-They were awesome, weren’t they? Personally I don’t have the patience for such tedious trolls. These guys deserve medals!! Here is a whole wall full. 😀

http://www.shrine.org.au/Shrine/Files/77/77096a7e-068a-4fe3-9c5b-48ee70b3acbb_420_280.jpg

dudeinthewoods
dudeinthewoods
7 years ago

I know hes 50% of why my wife watches Criminal Minds. The other 50% is the fabulous Garcia.

http://imgur.com/ssyLl7V

misseb47
misseb47
7 years ago

dudeinthewoods-He’s awesome isn’t he? He plays my favorite character, too! Along with Matthew Gray Gubler’s character, Spencer Reid. 😀

Paradoxical Intention
7 years ago

I’m just looking at all these hot people in the thread and my pansexual self is all like:

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/sot/images/0/0f/Kahlan_Fainting.gif/revision/latest?cb=20110820100351

http://media0.giphy.com/media/4OowbIsmYHbpu/giphy.gif

@dudeinthewoods: Me too. That man is smokin hot, and he and Garcia are perfect for one another.

In celebration of the PlayDoh Troll being banned, have some Roman Reigns:

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/rlSdAOfIx14/maxresdefault.jpg

(Dat smirk tho)

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/947/556/56d96595a69817e43d46d545c74a0ddb_crop_north.jpg?w=542&h=361&q=75

(He just got married last year and his wife is beautiful too!)

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/252/848/8e1b2f5c2315d01ae8beebfbe4847176_crop_north.jpg?w=543&h=361&q=75

(His smile makes me so happy. Lookit. I would make him waffles. With chocolate chips.)

Paradoxical Intention
7 years ago

Nooooo! Embed Mammoth, why? D:

In order:

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/sot/images/0/0f/Kahlan_Fainting.gif

(Also, I just noticed that the last two were the same. Whoopise. My bad.)

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
7 years ago

@Paradoxical

I hate something to cheer you up.

No, it’s not naked people.

http://sassy-gay-justice.tumblr.com/post/120316862685/majesticaljeff-iamtonysexual-horus-zahak

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
7 years ago

I have something. No hate.

Never hate.

Fruitloopsie
7 years ago

That is hilarious and I totally love Lisa frank stuff.

Catalpa
Catalpa
7 years ago

Ah, Mark was a tedious troll, but now he is gone and all that are left are posts viciously ripping all of his pathetic arguments apart and pictures of attractive people. A good days work, Mammotheers. A good days work.

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

I’m not gonna lie, I have a bit of a crush on Spencer Reid. Not that I’d kick Derek Morgan out of bed, but if I had to pick one…

And yes, Penelope Garcia rules.

I haven’t watched the show in a couple seasons though, It’s gotten tired.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
7 years ago
misseb47
misseb47
7 years ago

I LOVE Spencer Reid! <3 Anyway, since we were discussing attractive male celebs, here are a few (more like LOADS) of my favorite male actors, based on nothing more than I think they are great actors! 😀 Here are some of my fav. actors who mainly act on TV:

Robert Carlye. Who is currently playing Mr. Gold/Rumpelstiltskin in Once Upon a Time

http://happynicetimepeople.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Boardwalk-Empire-maybe.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130700/4350500-2707379004-106Ru.jpg

He was great in Stargate Universe as Dr. Nicholas Rush.

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/30200000/Robert-Carlyle-Stargate-Universe-robert-carlyle-30286135-1331-2000.jpg

Robinson Green. My favorite character of his is Dr. Tony Hill from Wire in the Blood

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01809/PF-RobsonGreen_1809263c.jpg

http://static.dutplanet.net/imgcache/cast/thetvdb/sc7/69290.jpg

David Matthew Macfadyen-My favorite character of his is Inspector Edmund Reid in Ripper Street
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http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/ripper/gallery2/gallery1/hires/3.jpg

Idris Elba. He seems to act in a lot of movies and tv shows.

http://www.bet.com/content/betcom/topics/i/idris-elba/_jcr_content/image.custom1200x675x20.dimg/2011-topic-Idris-elba-2.jpg

I loved him in Luther

http://tvrecappersdelight.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Idris-Elba-as-Luther.jpg

I liked him in Thor, too.

http://www.bet.com/content/dam/betcom/images/2011/08/Celebs-08.01-08.15/081011-celebs-idris-elba-thor.jpg.custom1200x675x20.dimg

misseb47
misseb47
7 years ago

My favorite movie actors are:

Sharlto Copley. I love him! He is SSSOO AAAWWWEEESSSOOMMEE

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Sharlto-Copley.jpg

Any way, my favorite movies of his are (so far) Dristrict 9 as Wikus Van Der Merwe

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x211/damage_control_sweetheart/D9149.jpg

And Kruger in Elysium.

http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/elysium-sharlto-copley4.jpg

I also like Christian Bale.

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2011/database/110214/christian-bale-300.jpg

My fav. characters of his are Bruce Wayne from Batman.

http://watchfit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Stunning-celeb-weight-loss-transformations-Part-6-Christian-Bale1.jpg

and John Preston in Equilibrium.
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I also loved Heath Ledger as the Joker

I like Bruce Willis, too!

http://timothywhite.com/sites/default/files/images/portfolio/Bruce-Willis.jpg?height=80%

My Favorite character he played is Francis “Frank” Moses from Red

http://content6.flixster.com/editorial/10/25/10/10251000_gal.jpg

I also like Keanu Reeves

http://images4.static-bluray.com/products/22/56_1_large.jpg

I loved him in Constantine as John Constantine

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/constantine.jpg

And apparently he is immortal. LOL!

http://i.imgur.com/RJxHFQj.png

Other actors I love are Arnold Schwarzenegger, Robert Downey Jr, Ben Stiller, Owen Wilson, Dwayne Johnson AKA The Rock.and Leonardo Dicaprio.

Paradoxical Intention
7 years ago

I LOVE THAT POST JACKIE.

Also, for this past Christmas, I got a tube of orange Lisa Frank chapstick, and when I was visiting my sister, they had packages of FOUR at her local Dollar General store.

I would have got them, but no monies.

misseb47
misseb47
7 years ago

Pandapool-I have. I can’t believe some people think that is a good ‘joke’ to pull in someone.

A 17-year-old League of Legends player from British Columbia, Canada was arrested for several crimes including harassing phone calls, publishing of personal information and credit card data, and sending SWAT teams to the homes of (mostly) female gamers who wouldn’t accept his friend requests and their families—adding up to 23 offenses in total

He has been a busy boy, hasn’t he? I wonder how long he has been doing it for? Any way, I am so glad that he has been caught and convicted. Here is another one.

http://nationalreport.net/15-year-old-swatted-domestic-terrorism/

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
7 years ago

@misseb47

I am…unsure about a 15 years old getting 25 years in prison for swatting. For an adult, yeah, but 15 year old? IDK how I feel about that.

Swatting is a fucking horrible thing to do but I don’t know if it’s, you know 25 years worth of a 15 year olds life. Although, that phones call he made, though…

I mean, swatting and false threats should be charged but I’m not sure about this.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
7 years ago

You know, they should do something more about swatting. They should make it known to the public that any attempts of swatting will be treated as a serious crime, that it will result in a federal investigation, fines and jail time. They need to do it soon, they need to demonstrate the consequences outside of an actual swatting case so people understand that swatting is wrong and what all it entails.

I mean, 15 years olds are getting 25 years of jail time for this shit. Things need to be done.

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