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Reactionary “game” guru Roosh V divorces The Red Pill, demands full custody of all the pageviews

Roosh V, living the dream
Roosh V, living the dream

Oh dear. Roosh V’s rebranding campaign isn’t going well at all.

The increasingly reactionary pickup guru, who seems deathly afraid of being universally recognized as the creepy old guy at the club that he so obviously has become, is earnestly trying to transform himself into a philosopher of sorts, and a sort of manosphere elder. He recently gave his highly unoriginal philosophy a name — “Neomasculinity” — and proclaimed himself the headmaster of this “new” school of thought.

I put “new” in scare quotes because there is nothing whatsoever new about his “ideas,” such as they are; his philosophy is little more than a warmed-over version of Red Pill dogma, with some extra helpings of racism, homophobia, and good-old-fashioned patriarchy.

In an attempt to convince the world that he is indeed selling something new and improved, Roosh has launched an attack on his former Red Pill allies. In a post on Friday, he declared that the Red Pill was over:

The red pill term has served its use in the past five years, but a quick perusal of the red pill subreddit or related blogs show that it’s too focused on sex at sacrifice of greater political and cultural issues. It has become an entry-level group for men in their 20’s who just started getting laid, but this can only serve as a transitory stage.

Once a man has gotten his fill of casual sex, and is looking for deeper meaning in his relationships or satisfaction with life, the red pill has few answers besides running “dread game” on your wife, maintaining “good style” to attract young females when older, or the ever vague “work on yourself.” Neomasculinity will aim to fill in these gaps by serving men regardless of their age or involvement in the game.

He went on to complain that the Red Pill “has no council of elders to guide the ideology” and that it has failed to stop women from “declin[ing] in their virtue” and getting fat. (Yeah, he’s a bit obsessed with that.)

In a followup video yesterday, Roosh made very clear just who he thinks should be the chairman of the manosphere’s council of elders. SPOILER ALERT: It’s him. Indeed, in the video, Roosh claims that he invented the Red Pill philosophy, with some help from other reactionary “game” bloggers like Roissy/Heartiste and Rollo Tomassi.

He also declared that there would be no “homosexuals” allowed into his Neomasculinity club, because the idea of men using Red Pill techniques to get “buttsex” strikes him as inherently ridiculous.

It’s not hard to guess at what Roosh’s real motivations here are. He seems to have burned himself out as a pickup artist; apparently the years he’s spent trying to cajole or coerce drunken Eastern European women he hates into sex haven’t provided him with much lasting satisfaction.

He ran out of things to say on the subject a long time ago, and traffic at his personal blog has stagnated, at least according to Alexa’s far-from-foolproof estimates. His more broadly reactionary group blog Return of Kings is far more popular, but Alexa reports that its traffic has been down much of the year.

Not surprisingly, Roosh’s attempt to declare himself king of the manosphere did not go over terribly well on the Red Pill subreddit. Most saw it as a moneygrab, and a rather desperate attempt to hang on to relevance in a scene that’s moving on from him.

As BurgundyCarpet wrote,

The problem with Neomasculinity is that its synonymous with “Roosh V.” He’s trying to create an alternative to the Red Pill. Yet the only significant practical differences between TRP and Neomasculinity are:

Roosh has complete control
Roosh stands to profit

I respected Roosh until he pulled this lame bullshit move. He’s trying to monetize TRP by changing the name of TRP. I like the guy and I like his work but this entire “Neomasculinity” thing is the most transparently self-serving bullshit ive ever seen.

Others were even less kind. Elatusa dug the knife in deep, and twisted it:

He was always a beta PUA who, once he got some pussy, decided to try monetize every tip anyone in the community ever shared. …

I have 0 respect for him as a man, especially now that he’s trying to sell TRP theories under his own brand.

“Fuck him, I never liked him anyway,” DOCTORxTEETH added. “His eyes stick out too fucking far.”

Red Pill clowner GayLubeOil, meanwhile, dropped the ultimate Red Pill dis, declaring that “Roosh doesn’t even lift.”

Roosh’s response to all this was to indignantly deny that he was trying to cash in on his lingering celebrity. And to attack thee Red Pillers for posting on Reddit, which Roosh has somehow convinced himself is a “virulent matriarchy” run by radical feminists. No, really.

Here’s the rant he posted on his own forums, which is so jaw-droppingly divorced from reality that it’s worth quoting in full. I’ve bolded a few highlights.

Speaking of profit, The Red Pill members make a big show about information being free, but they seem to forget that they regularly post on a for-profit platform owned by the most die hard feminists in Silicon Valley, perhaps the world, and led by a litigious feminist itself (Ellen Pao) that is on the verge of passing more oppressive rules. TRP subreddit exists because the feminists who own the site have allowed them to post. For men who are obsessed with being “alpha” and maintaining “frame,” they have volunteered to position themselves on a lower hierarchy compared to these elite feminists.

Every single page view they give reddit, they aid feminists. Every single comment they post, they increase the profit of this anti-man corporation, and even if ads are not always directly on TRP, the huge amount of page views that the subreddit gives reddit overall is definitely used to sell ads sitewide through their advertising spec sheets.

So either indirect or directly, everyone who regularly posts on that site is increasing the money that feminists make, improving the popularity of their platform to better bring SJW and far left thought to the masses, and improving the financial support that Silicon Valley feminists receive. How they can reconcile that fact by critiquing me for selling books shows how confused these men are, and how they are merely parroting red pill ideas and not living in the spirit of them.

I wish no ill will on these men, but I told them from day one to go forth and build their own platform. They did not listen to my advice, and are now being overseen by the enemy—a virulent matriarchy—whom they so despise, and who can shutdown their so-called “frame” with only a few clicks. When that happens, they are welcome here in this community where they can finally learn from men who live more truly to masculine ideals.

Amazing.

So far the biggest winners in this little manosphere war are those watching on the sidelines, and laughing. It’s reminiscent of the embarrassing spectacle that ensued when Paul Elam tried to declare himself King of the MGTOWs. Expect much more hilarity ahead.

 

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Lea
Lea
7 years ago

Doosh reminds me of the saying, “Wine only improves with age if the grapes were good in the first place.”

His grapes? Not so good.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

His grapes were vinegar on the vine.

Ughhhh.

Rita
Rita
7 years ago

When I first started reading this post, I mixed up neomasculinity with necromancy, and I didn’t even bat an eyelash at some new, lame ass red pill jargon.

rugbyyogi
7 years ago

@Policy of madness – really?? REALLY? You want ME to stop using the word madness? Is it ok if I use it to refer to an 80s band from North London? Or do I need your written permission? Why is it ok when you use it?

Where have I made a continued insistence that ‘ableism is fine’? Why do you want to accuse me of this? If you think I’m in the wrong, I’d have thought constructive dialogue might have been better than internet bullying.

Maybe* I’ll stop using madness as common parlance for fucked-up-things that make no sense – when you remove it from your user name? K?

Pot? Kettle?

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*but I probably won’t

dashapants
dashapants
7 years ago

Meh. I usually point most douchebags here: http://markmanson.net/archive to the home of a recovering douchebag who will speak to them civilly about how to stop being stupid and vile. There is always hope, even for the likes of Roosh.

ej
ej
7 years ago

@opium4themasses

That post from Roosh is horrifying.

She is absolutely repulsed by the stories I tell her of quickly taking a girl to bed (or car). Her response is along the lines of, “How can they do that? Ewww.” My brainwashing has worked on her, and the truth is she appreciates my lessons.

Emphasis mine. He is purposefully brainwashing his own sister and encouraging her to slut shame the women he sleeps with. Notice that it says “how can they do that?” I think a better question would be for her to ask her brother, “How can you do that?” And by “that” I mean actually raping women.

If you were a boy instead of a girl, I would tell you something very different. Understand that guys have some sort of “conquest gene.” Sure, sex with someone we love make us generally happy, but conquering a continuous stream of new lands and female bodies really makes us happy. This is why business and statecraft is mostly in the realm of men, who are natural born hunters. We’ve perfected those things.

Look! BIOTROOFS!

I’m bringing [my half-brother] out of his shell to be a charming devil that slays pussy left and right. I’d be destroying his life if I told him to seek relationships that end up in marriage, but for my sister marriage is an okay venture to get into..

Here’s that numbers issue again. Men should be having a lot of sex with lots of different women, but women should be thinking about marriage. Both sex and marriage require two people, so if women aren’t having sex in favor of marriage, who are all the men going to be sleeping with? And, if men are focused on sleeping with as many women as possible, who are the women supposed to marry? The math just doesn’t add up. 2+2=5, I guess.

Nonetheless, I will jam my dick in your girl and others like her, to enjoy this ride as long as I can.

I just can’t even with this one.

The whole post is just disgusting and littered with allusions to violence against women. He talks about “slaying pussy” and “conquering” women. I NEVER want to have sex with someone who views it in such violent terms. That clearly says he has no regard for my feelings or physical well-being.

I also made a DoNotLink if anyone wants to read the rest without giving him any clicks.
http://www.donotlink.com/faje

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

Understand that guys have some sort of “conquest gene.” Sure, sex with someone we love make us generally happy, but conquering a continuous stream of new lands and female bodies really makes us happy. This is why business and statecraft is mostly in the realm of men, who are natural born hunters. We’ve perfected those things.

Dudebro, please…saith the Cat.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/cat-nail-file.gif

I’m bringing [my half-brother] out of his shell to be a charming devil that slays pussy left and right. I’d be destroying his life if I told him to seek relationships that end up in marriage, but for my sister marriage is an okay venture to get into..

Oh look, a two-dot ellipsis! I think I finally figured out why they use them, too. It’s code for “we have double standards that make no sense whatsoever, for no purpose other than to make us feel clever”. Clever, huh?

And what happens when the “conquests” stop happening? Because, you know, men don’t actually improve with age unless they were pretty promising to begin with. And also, andropause is a thing.

Nonetheless, I will jam my dick in your girl and others like her, to enjoy this ride as long as I can.

Uh huh. COOL STORY, BRO. Considering how much time you spend whining about what you’re not getting, I’m going to file this one under Duds Who Think They’re Studs.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

He is purposefully brainwashing his own sister and encouraging her to slut shame the women he sleeps with. Notice that it says “how can they do that?” I think a better question would be for her to ask her brother, “How can you do that?” And by “that” I mean actually raping women.

Maybe she really does want to know how they manage to overcome their revulsion long enough to converse with him. That’s the first thing that came to MY mind, anyway.

But yeah. On the day she twigs to ask, “How could YOU?”, that’s the day his entire fabricated world will implode at last.

ej
ej
7 years ago

@Bina

Ack! The two dot ellipsis was a typo from me! There is another phrase on the end of that sentence that I didn’t include in the quote. I guess the last dot got lost while I was blockquoting.

On a positive note, the Blockquote Mammoth was merciful on that last post.

Catalpa
Catalpa
7 years ago

Not like it’s any surprise coming from Doosh, but the fact that he teaches his sister one thing and his brother completely the opposite thing really shows off just how much he views relationships to be an antagonistic, zero-sum game. Either the woman wins by ‘trapping’ a dude into a monogamous marriage (though I’d bet my bottom dollar Doosh expects the trapped dude to cheat), or the man wins by pumping and dumping (and/or raping) a neverending string of women who are both hot and increasingly younger than him as he ages.

The idea that a relationship (or even a one night stand) might consist of two (or more) people genuinely enjoying each others company and mutually pleasing each other never occurs to this shitbucket. No wonder he’s miserable.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

What do you want to bet that Doosh’s family considers him a sad, pitiful person who needs their financial support to survive? He’s so full of shit and I doubt the people who have known him all his life have missed that fact. How often do you think they send him care packages of soap and toilet paper with instructions reminding him how they work?

I bet dollars to doughnuts that the only thing his sister says to her kids about him is, “Stay away from Uncle Doosh. He’s a rapist and an all around horror show of a human”.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

I’m also sure his brother sees Dosh’s life and thinks to himself, “What a nightmare. I will never let that happen to me”.

Lanariel
Lanariel
7 years ago

@rugbyyogi

The ableism Policy of Madness refers to is where you have on multiple occasions called people in the MRA either “Crazy” or as now last, that they are “Mad”.

As someone with a mental diagnosis (Asperger/Autism, Dyslexia and Severe Depression) I feel very upset to be lumped in with the MRA.

This occurs because to society in large I am also “Crazy, Mad, Insane” simply because I do not fit in easily in society as whole. I resent those terms for my self as well, but it is a struggle to not internalize that message after 10 years of bullying in school.

Can we please try to not use these words to describe groups of people? Can we also agree that there are people out there with disorders who are not douchebags? And finally can we then agree that since you can have a diagnosis and not be a douchebag, and that you can be a douchebag without having to have a diagnosis, and from this follows that if a individual are a douchebag or not is unrelated to them having a diagnosis or not?

The general insistence on not confounding these points are one of the major reasons I feel I can safely comment on this blog.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

What Lanariel said.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
7 years ago

Kate Minter, you are deluded. So much more so if you think that your misogynist hate-mongering rape advocate husband should mentor any human being, even as despicable as Doosh.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
7 years ago

Wait. Doosh has a sister…?

Horrifying.

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

[blockquote]
Understand that guys have some sort of “conquest gene.”
[/blockquote]
Citation needed.

I even helpfully Googled to make sure no conquest gene has ever been located on the Y chromosome. Sure enough, the first page was about half what appear to be white nationalist sites. There’s a couple Christian sites thrown in there. One hit was about male pattern baldness. No actual science though. Not even any news articles interpreting scientific research. Could it be… assfax?

https://www.google.com/#q=conquering+gene+men

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

Damnit. Blockquote mammoth. What did I do wrong?

Moocow
7 years ago

@WWTH

Apparently that comment was too stupid for the blockquote mammoth to eat.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
7 years ago

I’d forgotten about Roosh’s open letter. I made up an alternate version the first time I read it. It mainly involved Roosh, on multiple occasions, wandering around the house after his sister, giving her a stream of conscious rant about cocks and no condoms and sluts while she’s trying to check Facebook or read or do pretty much anything but pay attention to Big Brother.

“I mean, isn’t that awful, what those girls let me do to them?”

“Sure, whatever.”

“How can they do that, right?”

“Yeah, how can they do that? Ew. Can you leave me alone now? I need to finish this for Calculus.”

The sister goes on to grow up and make her own life choices. Roosh decides that her preference for LTR’s has nothing to do with her personality or her partners’ desires or her own innate wants and needs, but that she’s internalized his rules. Roosh declares victory, sister continues to ignore him.

I know that’s all fiction, but it makes me feel better.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

What do you want to bet that Doosh’s family considers him a sad, pitiful person who needs their financial support to survive? He’s so full of shit and I doubt the people who have known him all his life have missed that fact. How often do you think they send him care packages of soap and toilet paper with instructions reminding him how they work?

No doubt about it, they MUST wonder how he fails to work a razor or a bottle of shampoo.

I think all his “true stories” are, at best, tall tales. More likely, complete fiction.

rugbyyogi
7 years ago

@lanariel – in fact I didn’t use the word madness to describe a group of people (other than the N. London band). And it certainly doesn’t take away the point that Policy of Madness seems to be perfectly ok in having that user name, but I can’t use it? In-group use of a word ok, out-group use of word is picked on? Sounds like bullying. Not exactly ‘safe space’ creating? Not for some people anyway….and certainly not for me. I feel a bit bullied, actually. Quite a bit in this thread.

I do see your point, but I don’t completely agree with it. In no way have I equated people with mental illness with the MRM. That would be completely ridiculous. I don’t think you have to be mentally ill or personality disordered to be MRA or PUA. I do think there’s definitely some flawed thinking. I think there is a sort of collective folly* that they whip up among themselves, but that’s not the same thing as mental illness and I think most people can see the distinction.

Hey, I have my own list of mental health diagnoses. And I’m not being flip, I live with it every day. But I don’t presume to speak for everyone who does.

___
*hmmm that word doesn’t seem quite strong enough…

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

You feel bullied because you can’t use an illness that effects many people reading and commenting as a synonym for wicked?

Rubyyogi, please consider what you are saying and that you are not abiding by the tos.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

But I don’t presume to speak for everyone who does.

Then don’t. Listen instead. You’ve said you disagree. OK.
That doesn’t mean you don’t have to abide by the rules.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
7 years ago

And it certainly doesn’t take away the point that Policy of Madness seems to be perfectly ok in having that user name, but I can’t use it?

I might be wrong (PoM, apologies if I am or if I’m speaking for you), but I’m pretty sure she uses it in her name in defiance of ableism and ableists – “Taking it back” – as opposed to in defiance of the rules like you are.

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