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Reactionary “game” guru Roosh V divorces The Red Pill, demands full custody of all the pageviews

Roosh V, living the dream
Roosh V, living the dream

Oh dear. Roosh V’s rebranding campaign isn’t going well at all.

The increasingly reactionary pickup guru, who seems deathly afraid of being universally recognized as the creepy old guy at the club that he so obviously has become, is earnestly trying to transform himself into a philosopher of sorts, and a sort of manosphere elder. He recently gave his highly unoriginal philosophy a name — “Neomasculinity” — and proclaimed himself the headmaster of this “new” school of thought.

I put “new” in scare quotes because there is nothing whatsoever new about his “ideas,” such as they are; his philosophy is little more than a warmed-over version of Red Pill dogma, with some extra helpings of racism, homophobia, and good-old-fashioned patriarchy.

In an attempt to convince the world that he is indeed selling something new and improved, Roosh has launched an attack on his former Red Pill allies. In a post on Friday, he declared that the Red Pill was over:

The red pill term has served its use in the past five years, but a quick perusal of the red pill subreddit or related blogs show that it’s too focused on sex at sacrifice of greater political and cultural issues. It has become an entry-level group for men in their 20’s who just started getting laid, but this can only serve as a transitory stage.

Once a man has gotten his fill of casual sex, and is looking for deeper meaning in his relationships or satisfaction with life, the red pill has few answers besides running “dread game” on your wife, maintaining “good style” to attract young females when older, or the ever vague “work on yourself.” Neomasculinity will aim to fill in these gaps by serving men regardless of their age or involvement in the game.

He went on to complain that the Red Pill “has no council of elders to guide the ideology” and that it has failed to stop women from “declin[ing] in their virtue” and getting fat. (Yeah, he’s a bit obsessed with that.)

In a followup video yesterday, Roosh made very clear just who he thinks should be the chairman of the manosphere’s council of elders. SPOILER ALERT: It’s him. Indeed, in the video, Roosh claims that he invented the Red Pill philosophy, with some help from other reactionary “game” bloggers like Roissy/Heartiste and Rollo Tomassi.

He also declared that there would be no “homosexuals” allowed into his Neomasculinity club, because the idea of men using Red Pill techniques to get “buttsex” strikes him as inherently ridiculous.

It’s not hard to guess at what Roosh’s real motivations here are. He seems to have burned himself out as a pickup artist; apparently the years he’s spent trying to cajole or coerce drunken Eastern European women he hates into sex haven’t provided him with much lasting satisfaction.

He ran out of things to say on the subject a long time ago, and traffic at his personal blog has stagnated, at least according to Alexa’s far-from-foolproof estimates. His more broadly reactionary group blog Return of Kings is far more popular, but Alexa reports that its traffic has been down much of the year.

Not surprisingly, Roosh’s attempt to declare himself king of the manosphere did not go over terribly well on the Red Pill subreddit. Most saw it as a moneygrab, and a rather desperate attempt to hang on to relevance in a scene that’s moving on from him.

As BurgundyCarpet wrote,

The problem with Neomasculinity is that its synonymous with “Roosh V.” He’s trying to create an alternative to the Red Pill. Yet the only significant practical differences between TRP and Neomasculinity are:

Roosh has complete control
Roosh stands to profit

I respected Roosh until he pulled this lame bullshit move. He’s trying to monetize TRP by changing the name of TRP. I like the guy and I like his work but this entire “Neomasculinity” thing is the most transparently self-serving bullshit ive ever seen.

Others were even less kind. Elatusa dug the knife in deep, and twisted it:

He was always a beta PUA who, once he got some pussy, decided to try monetize every tip anyone in the community ever shared. …

I have 0 respect for him as a man, especially now that he’s trying to sell TRP theories under his own brand.

“Fuck him, I never liked him anyway,” DOCTORxTEETH added. “His eyes stick out too fucking far.”

Red Pill clowner GayLubeOil, meanwhile, dropped the ultimate Red Pill dis, declaring that “Roosh doesn’t even lift.”

Roosh’s response to all this was to indignantly deny that he was trying to cash in on his lingering celebrity. And to attack thee Red Pillers for posting on Reddit, which Roosh has somehow convinced himself is a “virulent matriarchy” run by radical feminists. No, really.

Here’s the rant he posted on his own forums, which is so jaw-droppingly divorced from reality that it’s worth quoting in full. I’ve bolded a few highlights.

Speaking of profit, The Red Pill members make a big show about information being free, but they seem to forget that they regularly post on a for-profit platform owned by the most die hard feminists in Silicon Valley, perhaps the world, and led by a litigious feminist itself (Ellen Pao) that is on the verge of passing more oppressive rules. TRP subreddit exists because the feminists who own the site have allowed them to post. For men who are obsessed with being “alpha” and maintaining “frame,” they have volunteered to position themselves on a lower hierarchy compared to these elite feminists.

Every single page view they give reddit, they aid feminists. Every single comment they post, they increase the profit of this anti-man corporation, and even if ads are not always directly on TRP, the huge amount of page views that the subreddit gives reddit overall is definitely used to sell ads sitewide through their advertising spec sheets.

So either indirect or directly, everyone who regularly posts on that site is increasing the money that feminists make, improving the popularity of their platform to better bring SJW and far left thought to the masses, and improving the financial support that Silicon Valley feminists receive. How they can reconcile that fact by critiquing me for selling books shows how confused these men are, and how they are merely parroting red pill ideas and not living in the spirit of them.

I wish no ill will on these men, but I told them from day one to go forth and build their own platform. They did not listen to my advice, and are now being overseen by the enemy—a virulent matriarchy—whom they so despise, and who can shutdown their so-called “frame” with only a few clicks. When that happens, they are welcome here in this community where they can finally learn from men who live more truly to masculine ideals.

Amazing.

So far the biggest winners in this little manosphere war are those watching on the sidelines, and laughing. It’s reminiscent of the embarrassing spectacle that ensued when Paul Elam tried to declare himself King of the MGTOWs. Expect much more hilarity ahead.

 

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Lea
Lea
7 years ago

A.A. Wils,
At least stink bait and chum are useful.

shighhopes
shighhopes
7 years ago

Neoreaction seems like a more self-aware form of extreme libertarianism for me. They simply take the dystopian vision critics of libertarianism argue a purely meritocratic society would devolve into, and they openly embrace it as a manifestation of the “natural order of things”. Because let’s be honest: deep down they always knew that only the superior elites are truly worthy of those precious, precious liberties – the unwashed masses are obviously better off serving their “Philosopher Kings” (apologies to Plato). Of course the guys saying this tend to ridiculously overestimate their importance. In Roosh’s case it’s equal parts pathetic and hilarious.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
7 years ago

Lea, I’m really glad to hear that. High five on getting diet sorted and I hope you gravitate to a new normal that works for you.

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

Feta and spinach are a delicious combination. Spanikopita (sp?) for life!

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
7 years ago

@WWTH

SPANAKOPITA!

rugbyyogi
7 years ago

wow jezzerat – way to take my comments out of context and then make exactly the point I was making.

autosoma
7 years ago

Tim Cook CEO Apple.., you don’t get to be head of one if the Top Tech foiurtunbe 500’s by by keeping it beta (that was a poor pun attempt on software hardware testing)

A.A. Wils
7 years ago

Feta and spinach are soul-mates. Like grilled cheese sandwiches and tomato soup.

proxieme
proxieme
7 years ago

@Pandapool – Ever since seeing that episode, that’s the only way I say spanakopita.

SPANAKOPITA!

It’s a real step up from my previous, “Span…spanni…spinach-cheese pie turnovers.”

proxieme
proxieme
7 years ago

(And to clarify: The all-caps denotes that I yell it while flinging my hands in the air.)

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
7 years ago

@proxieme

Same here.

SPANAKOPITA!

Even in the stores when I see it in the freezers.

SPANAKOPITA!

People staring at me.

SPANAKOPITA!

SPANAKOPITA!

People backing away slowly.

SPANAKOPITA!

autosoma
7 years ago

I’m quite curious to know if rooshy is planning on diversification, maybe he’ll attempt to marry some poor person and inflict his own awful take on parenting. I can’t even speculate on how bad that would be, so much so that I hope he’ll apologise to TRP brigade and be welcomed back and stay in the shallow cesspool of ill informed twaddle. I’m not that brilliant as a dad, I make a lot of mistakes but if that specimen tried to tell me how to parent I’d be very angry.

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
7 years ago

Roosh is already giving parenting advice. Just look at the… talk he had with his sister.
http://www.rooshv.com/open-letter-to-the-parents-of-american-daughters

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

SPANAKOPITA!

Thanks, EJ.
I just got a two piece bathing suit that exposes my stretchmarks. May it ruin many a douche bag’s day to see me frolicking in it. I’m gonna frolic so fucking hard. I’m gonna be the frolicingest damn thing you ever did see. Wheeeeeee!

Did anyone else see that Beth Munster (can’t recall her new name) is on the cover of People?
Have you seen the new Monif C suits? CUTE!

Poor, poor haters. They have so much rage and not one thing to celebrate. I may have to paddle around in a pool of their tears.

http://media3.giphy.com/media/K3Sbp8fOgKye4/giphy.gif

sn0rkmaiden
7 years ago

@Sunnysombrera,

he doesn’t just admit to raping someone in Iceland; this excerpt will be painstakingly typed from p.69 of ‘Bang Poland’:

‘We moved to my bed. I got her down to her bra and panties, but she kept saying, “No, no.” I was so turned on by her beauty and petite figure that I told myself she’s not walking out my door without getting fucked. At that moment I accepted the idea of getting locked up in a Polish prison to make it happen.’

I’ll spare everyone the rest of that account. Though in a later account there is this literary gem:

‘I pulled myself up and moved my legs until I was next to her.’

Can’t think why his writing career never went mainstream.

megpie71
7 years ago

I suppose I should clarify what I’m meaning when I say I wish Mr Valizadeh “good luck”.

First up, imagine the sentence completed with the phrase “because he’s sure as hell going to need it”. (I’m Australian – we can, on occasion, use “good luck” in the same way folks from the southern USA use “bless your heart”).

Secondly, I’m a big fan of the old Chinese curses. You know the ones – “may you live in interesting times”, “may you come to the attention of the powerful”, and “may you get what you deserve”. I like the sense that a well-timed “blessing” can be just as much of a curse as the most powerful invocation of entropy known to humanity.

Thirdly, I tend to believe negativity returns to sender. Given I have chronic depression and can generate quite enough negativity all on my own without assistance, thanks very much, I don’t need any more. So I am, in the words of the old email standard “cautious in what I send”.

I still think in five years, we’re going to be hearing a lot of “Roosh who?” from the manosphere.

sn0rkmaiden
7 years ago

@Megpie71,

long term depression sufferer over here, you have my empathy.

I’m also fighting the urge to focus too much the negative, and I think it’s wise to be cautious about what you send. However that didn’t stop me sending an anonymous parcel stuffed with glitter to my ex-boss the other day. I’m afraid when it comes to karma I get impatient sometimes.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

As for “neomasculinity”….whatever that means…sounds a lot like “paleomasculinity.” Which sucks, is abusive, inhumane, and toxic to everyone.

Meet the New Masculinity, same as the same Old Masculinity…

I still think in five years, we’re going to be hearing a lot of “Roosh who?” from the manosphere.

“Literally Who” number four?

I dare to hope that there isn’t one, but there probably will be, still as whiny and kvetchy as ever. And maybe laying claim to a whole new crop of deranged mass shooters, or praising them as models for the New Masculinity.

Catalpa
Catalpa
7 years ago

@rubyyogi

wow jezzerat – way to take my comments out of context and then make exactly the point I was making.

Ehhhh… I mean, technically you’re correct in saying that people make foolish decisions, and women, who are a subset of people, therefore also make foolish decisions.

The thing is, though, when you single out only a subset of a group to make a comment on, you imply that the REST of the group is therefore exempt from that statement.

See the following examples:
“Toxic masculinity is terrible” &lt- implies non-toxic masculinity is alright, or at least less terrible (this statement does seem to trip up a lot of the MRAs we get here, though)
“The yellow wires are live” &lt- implies that the other wires do not have current flowing through them.
“[insert model here] cars are dangerous” &lt-implies other cars are LESS dangerous.

Catalpa
Catalpa
7 years ago

Dammit I thought I could be cool like the other kids and make neat hypertext pointy bracketss. Apparently not. Curse you wordpress!

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

You just forgot the semicolons on the ends.

proxieme
proxieme
7 years ago

@jezz @catalpa – Isn’t that what rugyyogi said, though?

Women are fallible and act foolishly. But not because they are lesser humans, but because they are humans.

It might not be the most expertly worded way to say “Women, being human, act like humans,” but it circles around to it.

Tracy
Tracy
7 years ago

Roosh so desperately wants to be important. A figurehead. That video… ‘everything you say has my seed in it’… bleccchhh. I do really, really hope Roosh and Professor Skull team up for some videos though – I think they were made for each other.

@Lea, glad you’re feeling awesome!

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

‘everything you say has my seed in it’

Ugh. Seriously??? Does he jerk off in these guys’ mouths in his imagination, too?

Roosh, go home. You’re fuggin’ DRUNK.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

Thanks Tracy,
I am too. 🙂

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