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Fat women oppress men by making them sad in their pants, Red Pillers complain

The Militant Baker, oppressing men. Click on the pic for her blog.
The Militant Baker, oppressing men. Click on the pic for her blog.

It isn’t just “game” guru and rape legalization proponent Roosh Valizadeh who thinks he’s being oppressed by the existence of women who aren’t model-thin.

Over on Vox Day’s Alpha Game blog, the regulars are up in arms about a Daily Mail story telling the story of a woman who conducted a little experiment on OKCupid, putting up two otherwise identical profiles — one featuring pictures of herself when she was thin, the other with pictures of herself after she gained some weight. The woman reported that the “fat” profile got half as many responses as the thin one.

Vox Day’s fans are outraged that the “fat” profile got any responses at all. “How she gets even one like is beyond me,” Yohami complained. Laguna Beach Fogey concurred, adding that “[w]e need more fat-shaming–not less.”

They also agreed with Vox that the woman in question wasn’t really thin in her thin pics.

So why do these guys care about this woman’s weight?

Because, as they see it, fat women oppress men by making them sad in their pants. Someone calling himself Retrenched explains:

The epidemic of obesity is also largely to blame for the sexual starvation of beta males. Fewer bangably attractive women = fewer satisfied men. Not to mention the effect that widespread obesity has on the egos of women who aren’t obese — an otherwise average looking woman who’s in shape can strut around like she’s a 9 when she’d be a 6 in a saner, less corpulent world.

Apparently women’s bodies don’t actually belong to women; they belong to men, who suffer endlessly when the women who happen to inhabit these bodies ruin them for men by gaining weight.

Yep. Women not only oppress these guys by giving them boners; they also oppress them by making boners wilt.

What’s worse, some of these women actually have the gall to think that they’re not unbangable fuggoes. “I like how they think men should just find land-whales attractive,” snorts John Black.

Cataline Sergius, meanwhile, is outraged that fat women won’t cover up their bodies so he won’t have to look at them.

I first noticed this trend around 2000.

Up until then, fat girls always wore voluminous, billowy clothing. Mu-mu type stuff, you know what I mean.

Then in 2000, they suddenly started wearing skin tight clothing. They indulged in that weird little early 00s fashion of wearing thongs visibly above waist line. Skin tight lycra shirts that magnified every gelatinous rippling lump, seemed to suddenly be a favorite. Bare jiggling, muffin top, midriffs with exposed navels became de rigour.

And this seemingly happened over night.

My first thought was that they had suddenly gotten to lazy to care how they looked. But that wouldn’t explain why they were following hot girl fashions.

Finally the truth came to me. The Special Little Snowflake Syndrome. These fat girls had suddenly decided that they had a right to be found attractive.

The horror!

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Hellyeah
Hellyeah
7 years ago

The same guys who trash fat women are the ones who showcase their hot girlfriend in public but punish her for other guys being attracted to her attractiveness afterwards.

closetpuritan
7 years ago

More evidence, as if we needed it, that by “women” they mean “women I think are attractive”. “Women* can get laid whenever they want to blah blah blah.”
*Women between 18 and 30, or, depending on how creepy they are, 14 and 21, and who are below a size 10, other restrictions may apply, not valid in states of non-misogyny.

Why are they getting so worked up about the possibility that betas might have to choose between sleeping with women they deem unattractive and not getting laid? Aren’t “betas” also people that they’ve deemed unattractive? Oh right: It’s valid for men to have preferences based on superficial stuff, but women should only be paying attention to whether a guy is “nice” or not.

Pie: Pop evopsych guys knowing about changing beauty standards in different times and places? LOL. “WEIRD? What’s that? Venus figurines? Well, there are always exceptions.** And obviously WE’RE the normal ones, it’s impossible that there either is no normal or that we’re the exceptions.”
**Actual response I got when an acquaintance claimed that people were unattracted to fat people because evopsych. And yes, with the implication that we’re the normal ones, the creators of Venus figurines are the weird ones.

Mikki:

Fat women oppress men by not being attractive, attractive women oppress men by not sleeping with them, sluts oppress men by sleeping with them, Cute puppies oppress me by not letting me pet them, they also oppress me when I can pet them because I can’t have pets where I live.

Yeah, pretty much.

fionabeswick
7 years ago

“They seem to think fat women are being fat AT them”. I may need to die of laughter. I love that. They do, they take it personally!
BTW, where are my manners. Hello…love the blog

Spindrift
Spindrift
7 years ago

Welcome, fionabeswick. You’ll find the welcome package by clicking on the candle picture on your right when you scroll down.

Dana
7 years ago

I don’t know why these peestains pretend they wouldn’t screw someone “unattractive”. They totally screw “unattractive” women. It’s something to keep them occupied until the woman they actually want decides she’s got time in her day for them. I’ve been subjected to this over and over and I am so done with it.

It’s like the argument that “dressing slutty” causes rape. Rapists don’t actually care what you look like, they care whether they can overpower you. Muslimahs in full hijab, Catholic nuns in full habit, six-month-old girl-babies, 80-year-old grandmothers, they are ALL fair game. Looks got nada to do with it.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
7 years ago

You know – and I say this as a cis male who’s been told by several queer friends that he’s the straightest man on the planet – if you presented me with a scenario where a woman was being a “special little snowflake” in relation to how men were treating her, I wouldn’t think of a plus-sized woman wearing spandex. I’d think of Daddy’s perfect little cheerleader throwing a fit after getting turned down for the prom because even though she hits all the right notes, she’s actually a horrible person.

Obviously, the latter scenario is extremely stereotyped as well. But still.

d c.f. vbgh
d c.f. vbgh
6 years ago

no one has the right to be found attractive. no one’s feelings matter. and men are in fact shamed every day for being unattractive – too short, too thin, not enough, beard, no beard, not enough hair, wrong kind of hair, micro dick, cargo shorts, socks with sandals – and that’s fine. if you’re ugly, your life will suck, forever, and there’s nothing you can do about it. no one owes you anything, and you can’t change what people find attractive.

closetpuritan
6 years ago

no one has the right to be found attractive.
True.

if you’re ugly, your life will suck, forever
False.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Did you read the post? It’s not actually about fat women demanding that anyone find them attractive. It’s about red pillers whining about fat women existing and daring to wear cute clothes.

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

Of course zie didn’t read the post, WWTH. That would involve not knee-jerk necroing and going “MANPAIN!” all over the comment section.

But men are considered unattractive, and we feminists must get on this important issue right now! Drop everything everyone! Alphabet Soup demands we get right on this important issue or else we aren’t really for equality! [/sarcasm]

Look Alphabet Soup (your nym is far too jumbled for me to give a shit, to be honest), yes, men are shamed for the way they look. But you know what? Guys like that still get to exist.

Men of every shape and size are seen in media (though not of every race or sexual orientation, that’s another can of worms), and they’re all treated with respect and aren’t made the butt of everyone’s jokes. Some people joke, but not everyone, and most of the time, it’s in good fun.

With women, if we exist while fat, we’re the punchline. Always. It’s rare that I see a fat female character whose story doesn’t revolve around food or dieting or complaining about her weight and being the sidekick to the thin, conventionally attractive woman or being shunned by the conventionally attractive male lead. (Hence why I love Steven Universe so fucking much.)

No one goes on and on about how men dare to exist and possibly be happy with the way they are because they’re not pleasing women. No one. Yes, women might make fun of you for being one of those things, but in the grand scheme of things, that’s not the norm.

You can’t be a fat and happy woman. You get one or the other, according to douchebags at the Red Pill and society as a whole. If you’re a fat woman, you should be ashamed of yourself and work to be skinny by any means necessary, especially if it hurts you. If you’re a skinny woman, you’re loved and treated with respect.

You get the luxury of blaming women for not finding you attractive. We women don’t get that. We can’t go “It’s not our fault men don’t find us attractive! It’s their fault for being shallow bastards!”

Nope. It’s always women’s fault.

However, what we’re asking for isn’t “You have to find us attractive too!”, but rather “We would like to be able to exist and be happy with ourselves and our bodies without being made to feel guilty for it because we don’t please boners.”

Surprisingly, life isn’t all about men’s boners and women pleasing them. Shocking, I know.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Soap operas can be surprisingly progressive sometimes. Not that they aren’t problematic too. They often had gay characters before primetime TV did. For awhile Days of Our Lives featured a character played by Patrika Darbo. Despite being fat she had a conventionally attractive doctor husband. The best thing about it, it wasn’t presented as a big deal that she had an attractive husband. At least not in the episodes I saw. The couple were villains, but it was still pretty cool. We see the fat husband – conventionally attractive wife combo all the time, but not so much the other way around. Although it’s kind of depressing that besides Days, the only other time I can think of that a fat woman was paired up with a hot guy was the 1980s TV movie Babycakes. Starring Ricki Lake. Recommend that movie in a so bad it’s good TV movie kind of way.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004858/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t99

Spindrift
Spindrift
6 years ago

Of course zie didn’t read the post, WWTH. That would involve not knee-jerk necroing and going “MANPAIN!” all over the comment section.

For some reason when I saw “MANPAIN!” in all caps I couldn’t help think of it as the name for a manosphere version of the hulk. “MANPAIN SMASH WOMEN’S RIGHT TO EXIST WITHOUT MAKING BONER HAPPY!” “MANPAIN BUY INTO TOXIC MASCULINITY BIG WAY!” “MANPAIN HATE SCENTED CANDLES!”

closetpuritan
6 years ago

Although it’s kind of depressing that besides Days, the only other time I can think of that a fat woman was paired up with a hot guy was the 1980s TV movie Babycakes.

There’s also Hairspray–the main character is paired with a conventionally-attractive guy.

But yeah, I don’t have a problem with pairing a not-conventionally-attractive guy with a model-hot woman, I’d just like to see it be more equal-opportunity.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

This isn’t about our right to have people be attracted to us. It is about our right to not give a fuck if you are or are not attracted to us. Our self worth is in no way related to your boner.

Yes, you owe me the right to walk down the street safely and without abuse no matter what you think of my body. You have no right to try to shame or humiliate me for daring to go out without a burka. I wont hide myself from view because it makes men like you mad that I love myself and I love the feeling of the sun and the breeze on my skin. You absolutely do owe me that and I owe you the same.

No, men are not as burdened as women with impossible beauty standards.

Beauty, btw, has nothing to do with who wants to fuck you.

What makes you ugly, self-pitying misogynist, is not your physical appearance. You’re self-centered, sexist, sadboneritus is. Some things aren’t about you and this is one of them.

Feelings do matter. Ask any kid who was ever bullied to death.

Not fucking you is not the same as bullying.

Happiness is not as bound up in people wanting to fuck you as you think it is.

Mic Jagger got to fuck David Bowie and Jerry Hall. He’s sexy, but not conventionally attractive. You do not have to be Adonis to get laid by spectacularly beautiful people.

Asexual people exist and they are just as happy as anyone else.

I’m fat, middle aged, covered in stretch marks and I’m happy. I wear what I want. I go where I want. I am loved. I enjoy sex with someone who wants me just as I am. I struggle with self-esteem and internalized fascist beauty standards. I’m as messed up a tangle of contradictions as any other human being and my life does not suck. In fact, it’s pretty amazing.

Maybe yours could be too if you dropped the hate, projection and bitterness and tried loving the life you have and the body you have instead of the one you saw on TV and thought was the only one that would make you happy.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

*your*
ARGH

Erik
Erik
6 years ago

I’m a man and have been fat for most of my life. My nickname in first grade was fatso. I’m 43 now. I’ve had 1 girlfriend my entire life. To be honest I probably could have had more but my low self esteem prevents me from seeing myself as someone deserving of a relationship. Its my own fault for being weak willed. I acknowledge this while at the same time i fail to successfully do anything about this long term. I’m an example of why fat shaming doesn’t work. I’ve been at healthier weights at various times but never long term. Its a combination of low self esteem and chronic depression. Its my fault for not sticking to a plan or lifestyle which is healthier. To be honest I don’t know if its the fat which makes me feel bad or if I’m fat because I feel bad. No one should be fat shamed it generally doesnt help. By the same token being fat shouldn’t be celebrated. It limits you in many ways regardless and including what other people think. I know some terrific women that would never go out with me due to lack of physical attraction. It makes feel like shit but that’s the honest truth. They aren’t bad people they just don’t want to have sex with me. Health is an even bigger reason. You are limited in the kinds of activities you can do. People see you as lazy. Doesn’t matter if its fair or not…its just the way it is. Flying sucks…or for that matter any time you see the look on someone’s face who is forced to sit next to you. Its no fun to sit next to someone who takes up more than their fair share of space. I think it’s great when people can look past their own imperfections and enjoy life. At the same time they need to realize that they are limiting themselves as well. In my case and in many others I think there are underlying reasons for being fat. I don’t know how to get past those issues personally, but I think that is probably the key for many people. Its not just males that engage in fat shaming. I’ve been called lots of names by females as well. Just because a person is a female doesn’t mean that they are magically nice. Small minded people come in all different packages. I don’t believe that society owes me anything. If I want someone someone to love me I have to make myself worth being loved. Its more than just being able to go out and get laid. Its about being able to have a decent life. Being fat and unhealthy does not give you this ability.

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