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A Voice for Men writer laments: "Since the advent of ‘marital rape,’ sex is no longer a loving duty, so it has become whim and weapon."

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Caution: Ring does not transform “no” into “yes.”

Has A Voice for Men just declared itself in favor of marital rape?

In the midst of a long and otherwise fairly tedious piece complaining about wives asking their husbands to do their fair share of the chores, Clint Carpentier offers some rather startling thoughts on marital rape laws, and how he thinks they help to make marriage a losing proposition for modern men.

In the good old days, he writes, “sex was a wifely duty she was obligated to provide as per the terms of marriage.” But “since the advent of ‘marital rape,’ sex [in marriage] is no longer a loving duty, so it has become whim and weapon … .”

Yep. Apparently “being raped by your husband” is really just a way to fulfill your “loving duty” as a wife.

So, Carpentier concludes, if wives demand that you do the chores around the house, and you can’t rape them at will, what’s the point of even having one in the first place? After all, he argues, in an age of washing machines and readymade meals chores are easy, and men can get “once per day of blasé sex” from “any street-hooker” or splurge on “mind-blowing sex once a week [from] a well trained call-girl.”

And so, he writes,

If women are demanding that their husbands do their “fair share” of the chores, then why do men need wives at all? In man’s attempt to make their wives lives easier, they have reduced the wifely duties to next to non-existent. Why, women? Why oh why would you drive those final coffin nails of obsolescence in? Aside from children, there’s no benefit left to having a wife.

Well, if the only “benefits” you can see in having a wife are someone who will do the cooking and cleaning and whom you can rape at will, then, no, there is no benefit to you in having a wife now that marital rape is illegal. And there is certianly no benefit to any woman in marrying or dating or possibly even being in the same room as you.

Where have all the good men gone? Well… where have all the good women gone?

That’s right: A man who considers marital rape to be a husband’s right honestly thinks that he’s one of the good ones.

AVFM’s Paul Elam loves to rail against the evils of traditionalism and chivalry. Interesting that marital rape is one element of traditionalism he apparently has no problem with.

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caris
caris
8 years ago

For what it’s worth, re: the “femininizing sperm” thing – it is true that when men are subjected to environmental effects that are potentially reproductively damaging, Y-chromosome sperm are disproportionately affected, resulting in more female offspring. I don’t know what kinds of studies have been done on marijuana in that regard, though if it affects sperm count at all, it’s likely to leave men with a smaller proportion of Y-chromosome sperm than they had before. And it’s generally not a good thing to be exposed to something that’s killing off a bunch of your sperm, although again I have no idea what the status is of reproductive endocrinological research on marijuana.

caris
caris
8 years ago

(But that’s neither here nor there with regard to the MRA jerk’s article… which is horrifying in all kinds of ways.)

kittehserf
8 years ago

This is probably how I would behave as a high zombie:

“I NEED BRAAINNSSSS! Wait, what did I just say? Whatever, I’m taking a nap.”

LOL!

misery – yes, it’d be nice if MGTOW just would, but they never feckin’ do!

thebewilderness
8 years ago

In the seventies the story was that smoking pot caused men to produce fewer sperms. Just so stories are rather like a game of telephone, innit?

kittehserf
8 years ago

Poor wet kitteh!

Bina
8 years ago

Having sex with someone you aren’t attracted to is probably a fairly revolting experience, but if you are married (which is the only morally-licit situation for pursuing sex), you don’t have a choice.

Which is why I never got married, much less in a church. Blergh.

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
8 years ago

Has anyone ever heard an MRA acknowledge understand the concept of love? I barely hear them mention love, and when they do, it’s always been about how women/feminists owe their male partner something(written with lots of anger).

Or friendship?

How likely is it that this sort of person would begin to understand people who say that the person they’re married to is their best friend? “Friend” was the first relationship-style word I heard in the vows that daughter and her beloved are using at last week’s rehearsal. (Wedding on Saturday – weather expected to be 27C maximum, fine but a bit cloudy. Couldn’t be better. I’m typing sloooowly to protect my not-quite-complete manicure at the moment.)

As for chores.

Don’t people ordinarily have responsibilities for these tasks when they have a housemate? Why should marriage (or any long-term relationship) be a get out of jail free card for routine daily life obligations?

augochlorella
augochlorella
8 years ago

Sorry I keep posting and running. I’m checking this site in between studying for finals.

I actually poked around the internet sometime last year to see if I could find the root of the marijuana/female children myth. There’s no scientific basis at all. Most of the proponents of the myth believed that marijuana affected testosterone levels. Less male hormone = less male sperm, apparently. *head desk*

My mother believed she had personal evidence, though. I guess my dad smoked marijuana a little at the beginning of my parent’s relationship. Three of their four children are female. Therefore, science says marijuana must be responsible.

vaiyt
8 years ago

“If women are demanding that their husbands do their “fair share” of the chores, then why do men need wives at all?”
Yeah, why would men need wives if not to be their unpaid servants and fucktoys? The people who think this way shouldn’t even get married to begin with, so that’s a win-win.

augochlorella
augochlorella
8 years ago

Oh, and my one brother isn’t a “real man” because he doesn’t care about sports or trucks or killing things with guns. He also bought an orange sweatshirt once, which is a gay color. My mom is certain the marijuana my dad smoked feminized my brother.

kittehserf
8 years ago

Having sex with someone you aren’t attracted to is probably a fairly revolting experience, but if you are married (which is the only morally-licit situation for pursuing sex), you don’t have a choice.

Which is why I never got married, much less in a church. Blergh.

Well, there’s a nice bit of bullshit (the bit you quoted, Bina). People who’re married do have a choice, and marriage isn’t the only morally licit situation for pursuing sex.

(This was your daily Duh observation.)

I was a tiny bit concerned when Louis and I flipped from whatever-we-were (lovers? Courting?) to being married. I didn’t know him that well then and wondered if he might still have any of his earthly attitudes to marriage. Silly to worry, of course, he’s long past that, but it strikes me that even if he had – and he was the product of a pretty damn misogynistic society – he’d still be better marriage material than any MRA types.

Emmy
Emmy
8 years ago

This dude is seriously confused about the difference between the word “wife” and the word “slave”. I’m not trying to be snarky, it genuinely sounds like what this guy really wants is to own another human being in the very literally sense of the word. And he’s furious that wife and slave are no longer synonymous since women can own property, get divorced, keep custody of their children, and hold him accountable for abuse and sexual violence. In his “arguments” he literally does not regard women as human, they are not extended rights and personhood in his mind. I mean, this is terrifying.

Bina
8 years ago

Oh dearz. Even their ideal woman can turn against them…

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElgiMmHdNR4&w=480&h=360]

kittehserf
8 years ago

Oh, and my one brother isn’t a “real man” because he doesn’t care about sports or trucks or killing things with guns.

Sounds like your mum’s head would explode if she had to live in a country where rabid gun culture was not a thing. How we can tell the RealMen™ when they don’t have the option of carting guns around/

sparky
sparky
8 years ago

Marijauna “feminizes” men and sperm? Sounds like an urban legend to me.

From what I could dig up, THC does affect hormones…in lab animals. Findings in human beings have been “inconsistent.” Acute exposure seems to diminish testosterone secretion; but this is not seen in chronic (heh heh heh) users; it seems the body builds a tolerance to use. And the affects aren’t permanent.

That is, if I’m reading this correctly:


http://www.ukcia.org/research/EndocrineEffects.pdf

And I really wish I’d heard about this study when they were recruiting. Sounds like a good time in the lab:

“In one study, heavy chronic users were found to have similar testosterone levels compared to casual users at baseline and did not experience any sig- nificant alterations in testosterone after a 21-day period of intense marijuana smoking in a controlled research setting.”

Bina
8 years ago

People who’re married do have a choice, and marriage isn’t the only morally licit situation for pursuing sex.

(This was your daily Duh observation.)

Much to Wet Blanket Mary’s chagrin, this is true.

Which is why I’m saving my sexuality not for “duty”, but for love…married or not. And since I can’t love a man who regards sex as a shitty housewifely duty, that takes care of that!

Mnemosyne
Mnemosyne
8 years ago

Kittehserf-That’s absolutely correct. They cannot love because they see other people as objects that exist only to please them. They also believe that they see the world as it really is and that those “empaths,” as we non-psychopaths are called, are deluded and bogged down by our emotions.

A psychopath can appear charming at first, but they become irritating rather quickly. Walter Jacobsen’s interview with John Wayne Gacy proves how annoying a psychopath’s grandiosity can be. They’re completely unlikeable, even though lately they’re trying portray themselves as a misunderstood, oppressed minority thanks to misguided “Wisdom of Psychopaths.” It’s also important to note that concept of psychopathy-Antisocial Personality Disorder distinction is kind of blurry.

The reactions I got from Red Pillers on this matter suggest that a.) Red Pillers are not psychopaths, but narcissists (these folks are hypersensitive to criticism), or b.) they have other issues. I found it highly ironic that the Red Piller accused me of “dehumanizing” psychopaths, when they make fun of the other, “uncool” mental illnesses and the people on medication all the time.

dlouwe
dlouwe
8 years ago

Sometimes I feel like the biggest thing stopping most MRAs from converting to MGTOW is the simple question of “But then what would I have sex with?” In the absence of a satisfactory answer (not having sex – out of the question, having sex with other men – out of the question), they lash out at everything in their lives that doesn’t immediately cater to their wants and needs; developing increasingly dense and implausible theories (and fantasies) that provide a feedback loop into the central delusion that they cannot be the ones at fault.

I despise women -> but I need them for sex -> the world should change to suit my needs -> women do many things that do not suit my needs -> I despise women

thebewilderness
8 years ago

They yearn for the days of yesteryear when coverture was the law and runaway wives were forbidden shelter and had to be returned to their master. Beating wives was perfectly acceptable and legal. There was no such thing as rape of the woman whose very existence had been subsumed into your own.

Bina
8 years ago

I found it highly ironic that the Red Piller accused me of “dehumanizing” psychopaths, when they make fun of the other, “uncool” mental illnesses and the people on medication all the time.

Abandon all sense of irony, ye who enter the Manosphere!

lana
lana
8 years ago

Aside from nothing, why does a woman need a husband ?

lana
lana
8 years ago

But “since the advent of ‘marital rape,’ sex [in marriage] is no longer a loving duty, so it has become whim and weapon …

Since when is being raped a “loving” duty ?

No wonder these guys are alone.Whining about women .

kittehserf
8 years ago

Mnemosyne, that’s really interesting!

janipurr
janipurr
8 years ago

Excuse my ignorance, but are “RealDolls” a real thing? I thought they only existed in science fiction movies.

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