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Men's Rights Redditors try to call out misogyny, fail (BONUS BIGOTRY: The misogyny caller-outer posts to the White Rights subreddit)

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So my post yesterday pointed out a rather extravagantly misogynistic post by the Men’s Rights Activist behind the blog Men Against Misandry. If you read it, you probably remember the money quote from his post, which he was so proud of he posted separately on Facebook:

If women sucked dick half as well as they suck at sports there would be no more divorces in the great US of A.

Today a new commenter here on Man Boobz, evidently an MRA irritated that I had quoted his comrade, posted a link to a discussion on the Men’s Rights subreddit that went up a couple of hours ago, and that specifically disavowed this quotation, declaring “This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.” The thread, when last I checked, had gotten nearly 800 upvotes from the Men’s Rights regulars.

I thought to myself, “wow, a rare moment of self-reflection, and self-policing, from MRAs!”

But then I started reading the comments.

Many of the Men’s Rights regulars seemed less bothered by the reference to blow jobs in itself than by the implication that better blow jobs would lower the divorce rate. Because, you see, most divorces are initiated by women for nefarious womanly reasons.

As JoshTheAspie put it:

JoshtheAspie 14 points 1 hour ago (16|2)  ... leaving aside any offense or outrage... what he's saying doesn't even make sense.  80% of divorces are initiated by women. How would them being better at sexually pleasuring husbands reduce the amount of divorce?      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]1standarduser -1 points 1 hour ago (2|3)  happier men make better husbands which makes the women happier.  This is only assuming the 20 minutes of sucking is a lesser burden than 24hrs of an unhappy partner.

Meanwhile, here’s one of the top comments in the thread, and the discussion it spawned. Notice the reaction to sad_woman, after she offers a criticism of uberpower’s “argument.” Also, notice uberpower’s own reaction.

uberpower 30 points 1 hour ago (35|5)  Divorces will decrease when men's finances get gender-neutral protection.  Remove the divorce incentive for women, increase two parent families, increase the success of our nation's children.      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]Pecanpig 6 points 1 hour ago (6|0)  The former would probably cause the latter.      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]sad_woman -16 points 44 minutes ago (4|20)  you people are seriously fucking warped. this sentiment is more offensive than the one in op's pic. i gotta go take a fucking shower after stepping into this place, christ      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]RZRtv 6 points 41 minutes ago (7|1)  gb2SRS plz.      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]uberpower 2 points 23 minutes ago (5|3)  Aww, you don't want to lose the right to entice a man then dump him for half of everything he's got?  Is your ex-man paying for your shower sweetie?      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]JimiJons 1 point 7 minutes ago (1|0)  Nothing about what he said is warped or offensive in the slightest. Perhaps you read it wrong, and simply reacted in an extraordinarily unwarranted manner.

If you’re puzzled by RZRtv’s cryptic comment, he is suggesting that sad_woman go back to the ShitRedditSays subreddit, a subreddit devoted to calling out various bigotries on Reddit, and which is regarded by most of Reddit with the same sort of wild-eyed horror and contempt with which Men’s Rightsers regard Man Boobz.

Knucker2, meanwhile, thought that the dick-sucking reference detracted from Men Against Misandry’s other truly valuable points:

knucker2 6 points 1 hour ago (7|1)  I agree. I think the phrase "its offensive* is an extremely weak criticism. It's more accurate and more persuasive to criticize this post for being unconstructive, intentionally inflammatory, and poorly communicating his point.  People are going to get distracted by the dick sucking reference and ignore the valuable points about double standards. If you are going to be inflammatory, then at least do it in a way that keeps people on topic. This is distracting.

As you may recall from my post yesterday, the main point of Men Against Misandry’s “argument” was that women suck at sports. Indeed, the title of his post was “Gender inequality in sports: male athletes paid more. (HINT: women’s sports suck)”

And then there was this enlightening exchange, featuring none other than A Voice for Men’s TyphonBlue and her signature brand of double-reverse whammy logic:

Young_Ocelot 4 points 1 hour ago (6|2)  Holy crap this looks really bad...I hope no one takes that and blanket applies it to the mindset of all men.      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]typhonblue 1 point 1 hour ago (4|3)  Only idiots would extrapolate this to all men.  Now if the gender reverse was published in huffpo by a feminist writer... or similar sentiments were repeated over and over by numerous women... or if it was expressed to applause on a mainstream daytime tv show...

First of all, Young_Ocelot — who seems a bit naive even for a young ocelot — WHY WOULD YOU THINK ANYONE WOULD ASSUME ALL MEN THINK THIS WAY?! No one thinks that all men are raving misogynistic douchebags. However, there are quite a few people who think that a significant portion of Men’s Rights Activists are. For evidence, I would suggest reading, well, this post, or any of my other posts, or even the thread you were posting in.

And Typhon, poor deluded Typhon, do you really think that if someone wrote a HuffPost column arguing that if men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at sucking at sports the divorce rate would drop, they’d get applause? That doesn’t even make the slightest bit of sense.

And even if you adjust the “gender swap” a bit it doesn’t work. If men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at, I dunno, failing to ask for directions when they get lost while driving, there would be no divorce? Huh?

If Men’s Rights Activists were half as good at actually calling out their own misogyny as they are at loudly denying their misogyny while at the same time saying blatently misogynistic shit, well, I might have to shut down this blog.

EDITED TO ADD: BONUS BIGOTRY! The guy who posted the “this is not who we are” post to the Men’s Rights subreddit, our old nemesis Chris3992m,  also recently posted this in the White Rights subreddit. When he was called out for this on AgainstMensRights, he explained that “I only post when there are real issues of white discrimination.”

He also believes that “[m]ost whites during the slave era were actually treated WORSE than the slaves. They had to work for the slaves, because they couldn’t be bought and sold and were considered useless by slaveowners.”

EDITED TO ADD AGAIN: Since I wrote this post, more Men’s Rights Redditors have posted comments more directly disavowing the misogyny of the original “blowjob” quote. If they are sincere about trying to remove the stain of misogyny from the Men’s Rights movement, I would suggest that they also try to convince the subreddit’s mods to remove the links to blatantly misogynistic and hateful websites like A Voice for Men from the subreddit’s sidebar, and that they do a better job of policing the misogyny that pervades the subreddit, many examples of which can be found by looking through the Man Boobz archives for Reddit here.

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cloudiah
8 years ago

@LBT, A bird, I hope, is among the animals. Any nominations?

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
8 years ago

Hey, LBT, I just sent you $20 for a secretary bird, because they are amazing, and could only be enhanced by fricking laser beams.

Or a hedgehog. Hedgehogs are good too.

cloudiah
8 years ago
cloudiah
8 years ago

SECRETARY BIRD!!!

serrana
serrana
8 years ago

Yes, secretary bird!

Do we have any reptiles or amphibians among our borg creatures?

lana
lana
8 years ago

That whole way of framing things boils down to the idea that one sex can’t have what they want, so he’s decided that it should be women.

O.K then .They need to stop squawking about “false rape ” charges.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
8 years ago

The MRM (oh, wait, ‘sorry’, the “MHRM”)

Did anybody else read that and think of the Black Dagger Brotherhood?

lana
lana
8 years ago

Well I’m a hawk tiger. I have to wear reading glasses now but I’m still a hawk .And I’m a tiger because besides elephants and whales they are my “favorite” animal . BUT Im also a tree ..LOL!!!

Never mind. I do like sugar cookies .

Brooked
Brooked
8 years ago

Simon wrote a sequel Sex & Power: A Manual on Male-Female Relations, while cooling his heels in prison for publishing racially inflammatory materials.

Bonus points to the British jury for making a Muslim women their foreperson, because Simon was clearly put-off by it (“This was evidently their idea of a joke”).

I admit I have weird fascination with the far right, I’m flat-out addicted to Right Wing Watch, so I have a stronger stomach then most when it comes to bigoted sludge like Simon.

Brooked
Brooked
8 years ago

@LBT

I’ll put money in to make cyborg rat happen.

wordsp1nner
8 years ago

@ LBT,

When you say you’re going to do a Rex cat, do you mean Devon Rex, Cornish Rex, or one of the smaller breads like Selkirk rex? Or by Rex, do you just mean “royal”

‘Cause, if you haven’t decided, I want to put in a suggest for devon rexs, because:

(Okay, this comment was just an excuse to post devon rex videos. My parents have two, they are excellent cats.)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

It amuses me to think of SImon screeching “I am the powerful one! Women and minorities are naturally inferior and should obey me!” from his jail cell.

lana
lana
8 years ago

It amuses me to think of SImon screeching “I am the powerful one! Women and minorities are naturally inferior and should obey me!” from his jail cell.

Not even a jail cell.

Screeching through a blizzard holding his penis. Freezing cold hungry AND no time to think about his dick (even though he will even if it causes his life) .

Saying IM COLD ! And hungry! and …….my dick …..

Cuz you know sex(for men) is on the scale (level) of breathing and food and water right?Its even before bodily safety.

lana
lana
8 years ago

Wordsp1nner,

Beautiful cats.

So fun !

Love them!

Bina
8 years ago

I would guess that, other than the fact that his raging misogyny shows through no matter what he’s saying, there’s a distinct possibility that the “defect” in his presentation may be his face (or lack of good grooming, or other appearance related issue). Giving a perfect speech isn’t going to make a woman want to have sex with you if she finds you physically unappealing.

Which is of course misandry.

Oh, but of course. Women daring to consider a man physically appealing (or not)? MISANDRY! They’re just supposed to flop down on their backs and spread ’em after the requisite display of social dominance…in this dude’s case, evidenced by loud and dull bigoted haranguing. To do anything else is MISANDRY!

lana
lana
8 years ago

Oh yeah Im ready to breed ! NOT!

Alice Sanguinaria
8 years ago

I’d still be amused if kangaroo rats end up being Borged™. *nod*

kittehserf
8 years ago

Wordsp1nner – Devon Rex kitties for the win!

This Simon chucklefuck is a classic example of the dud(e) who thinks he’s the protagonist in everyone else’s life. Or rather, in women’s. Everything we do, or don’t do, is about him.

So pleased this little slimebag’s done time for his shit. Even more about the Muslim woman heading the jury! Sometimes there really is justice.

I wonder if the jurors said, “Fuck yeah, this guy’s a racist creep, let’s really piss him off!” when chosing who’d lead. One can only hope. 😉

vaiyt
8 years ago

“Simon wrote a sequel Sex & Power: A Manual on Male-Female Relations”

Because the person most qualified to tell you how relationships work is a guy who already wrote an entire book about his failed attempts to pick up women.

Alice Sanguinaria
8 years ago

vaiyt – How dare you suggest that men are not experts on women? MISANDRY!™

kittehserf
8 years ago

If he subtitled his books “How Not To Do It” he might have a point.

Bizarro World for Dummies!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

He’s barely a footnote in my life.

7b Read, briefly laughed at, forgot 5 minutes later

Mejas
Mejas
8 years ago

“and start raising awareness about male suicide, maybe raise some funds for homeless men, perhaps discuss how toxic ideas of masculinity are harmful to young boys.”

http://paulocoelhoblog.com/2007/12/10/the-lesson-of-the-butterfly/

The Lesson of the Butterfly
December 10, 2007 by Paulo Coelho
By Paulo Coelho
A man spent hours watching a butterfly struggling to emerge from its cocoon. It managed to make a small hole, but its body was too large to get through it. After a long struggle, it appeared to be exhausted and remained absolutely still.

The man decided to help the butterfly and, with a pair of scissors, he cut open the cocoon, thus releasing the butterfly. However, the butterfly’s body was very small and wrinkled and its wings were all crumpled.

The man continued to watch, hoping that, at any moment, the butterfly would open its wings and fly away. Nothing happened; in fact, the butterfly spent the rest of its brief life dragging around its shrunken body and shrivelled wings, incapable of flight.

What the man – out of kindness and his eagerness to help – had failed to understand was that the tight cocoon and the efforts that the butterfly had to make in order to squeeze out of that tiny hole were Nature’s way of training the butterfly and of strengthening its wings.

Sometimes, a little extra effort is precisely what prepares us for the next obstacle to be faced. Anyone who refuses to make that effort, or gets the wrong sort of help, is left unprepared to fight the next battle and never manages to fly off to their destiny.

(Adapted from a story sent in by Sonaira D’Avila)

quequoi
quequoi
8 years ago

So rather than have a conversation, Mejas prefers to just cryptically spout quotes that all amount to nothing more than a fancy way to tell men to “Man up!”

Why does Mejas hate men?

Mejas
Mejas
8 years ago

“Why have an MRM?”

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