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Men's Rights Redditors try to call out misogyny, fail (BONUS BIGOTRY: The misogyny caller-outer posts to the White Rights subreddit)

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So my post yesterday pointed out a rather extravagantly misogynistic post by the Men’s Rights Activist behind the blog Men Against Misandry. If you read it, you probably remember the money quote from his post, which he was so proud of he posted separately on Facebook:

If women sucked dick half as well as they suck at sports there would be no more divorces in the great US of A.

Today a new commenter here on Man Boobz, evidently an MRA irritated that I had quoted his comrade, posted a link to a discussion on the Men’s Rights subreddit that went up a couple of hours ago, and that specifically disavowed this quotation, declaring “This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.” The thread, when last I checked, had gotten nearly 800 upvotes from the Men’s Rights regulars.

I thought to myself, “wow, a rare moment of self-reflection, and self-policing, from MRAs!”

But then I started reading the comments.

Many of the Men’s Rights regulars seemed less bothered by the reference to blow jobs in itself than by the implication that better blow jobs would lower the divorce rate. Because, you see, most divorces are initiated by women for nefarious womanly reasons.

As JoshTheAspie put it:

JoshtheAspie 14 points 1 hour ago (16|2)  ... leaving aside any offense or outrage... what he's saying doesn't even make sense.  80% of divorces are initiated by women. How would them being better at sexually pleasuring husbands reduce the amount of divorce?      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]1standarduser -1 points 1 hour ago (2|3)  happier men make better husbands which makes the women happier.  This is only assuming the 20 minutes of sucking is a lesser burden than 24hrs of an unhappy partner.

Meanwhile, here’s one of the top comments in the thread, and the discussion it spawned. Notice the reaction to sad_woman, after she offers a criticism of uberpower’s “argument.” Also, notice uberpower’s own reaction.

uberpower 30 points 1 hour ago (35|5)  Divorces will decrease when men's finances get gender-neutral protection.  Remove the divorce incentive for women, increase two parent families, increase the success of our nation's children.      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]Pecanpig 6 points 1 hour ago (6|0)  The former would probably cause the latter.      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]sad_woman -16 points 44 minutes ago (4|20)  you people are seriously fucking warped. this sentiment is more offensive than the one in op's pic. i gotta go take a fucking shower after stepping into this place, christ      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]RZRtv 6 points 41 minutes ago (7|1)  gb2SRS plz.      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]uberpower 2 points 23 minutes ago (5|3)  Aww, you don't want to lose the right to entice a man then dump him for half of everything he's got?  Is your ex-man paying for your shower sweetie?      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]JimiJons 1 point 7 minutes ago (1|0)  Nothing about what he said is warped or offensive in the slightest. Perhaps you read it wrong, and simply reacted in an extraordinarily unwarranted manner.

If you’re puzzled by RZRtv’s cryptic comment, he is suggesting that sad_woman go back to the ShitRedditSays subreddit, a subreddit devoted to calling out various bigotries on Reddit, and which is regarded by most of Reddit with the same sort of wild-eyed horror and contempt with which Men’s Rightsers regard Man Boobz.

Knucker2, meanwhile, thought that the dick-sucking reference detracted from Men Against Misandry’s other truly valuable points:

knucker2 6 points 1 hour ago (7|1)  I agree. I think the phrase "its offensive* is an extremely weak criticism. It's more accurate and more persuasive to criticize this post for being unconstructive, intentionally inflammatory, and poorly communicating his point.  People are going to get distracted by the dick sucking reference and ignore the valuable points about double standards. If you are going to be inflammatory, then at least do it in a way that keeps people on topic. This is distracting.

As you may recall from my post yesterday, the main point of Men Against Misandry’s “argument” was that women suck at sports. Indeed, the title of his post was “Gender inequality in sports: male athletes paid more. (HINT: women’s sports suck)”

And then there was this enlightening exchange, featuring none other than A Voice for Men’s TyphonBlue and her signature brand of double-reverse whammy logic:

Young_Ocelot 4 points 1 hour ago (6|2)  Holy crap this looks really bad...I hope no one takes that and blanket applies it to the mindset of all men.      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]typhonblue 1 point 1 hour ago (4|3)  Only idiots would extrapolate this to all men.  Now if the gender reverse was published in huffpo by a feminist writer... or similar sentiments were repeated over and over by numerous women... or if it was expressed to applause on a mainstream daytime tv show...

First of all, Young_Ocelot — who seems a bit naive even for a young ocelot — WHY WOULD YOU THINK ANYONE WOULD ASSUME ALL MEN THINK THIS WAY?! No one thinks that all men are raving misogynistic douchebags. However, there are quite a few people who think that a significant portion of Men’s Rights Activists are. For evidence, I would suggest reading, well, this post, or any of my other posts, or even the thread you were posting in.

And Typhon, poor deluded Typhon, do you really think that if someone wrote a HuffPost column arguing that if men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at sucking at sports the divorce rate would drop, they’d get applause? That doesn’t even make the slightest bit of sense.

And even if you adjust the “gender swap” a bit it doesn’t work. If men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at, I dunno, failing to ask for directions when they get lost while driving, there would be no divorce? Huh?

If Men’s Rights Activists were half as good at actually calling out their own misogyny as they are at loudly denying their misogyny while at the same time saying blatently misogynistic shit, well, I might have to shut down this blog.

EDITED TO ADD: BONUS BIGOTRY! The guy who posted the “this is not who we are” post to the Men’s Rights subreddit, our old nemesis Chris3992m,  also recently posted this in the White Rights subreddit. When he was called out for this on AgainstMensRights, he explained that “I only post when there are real issues of white discrimination.”

He also believes that “[m]ost whites during the slave era were actually treated WORSE than the slaves. They had to work for the slaves, because they couldn’t be bought and sold and were considered useless by slaveowners.”

EDITED TO ADD AGAIN: Since I wrote this post, more Men’s Rights Redditors have posted comments more directly disavowing the misogyny of the original “blowjob” quote. If they are sincere about trying to remove the stain of misogyny from the Men’s Rights movement, I would suggest that they also try to convince the subreddit’s mods to remove the links to blatantly misogynistic and hateful websites like A Voice for Men from the subreddit’s sidebar, and that they do a better job of policing the misogyny that pervades the subreddit, many examples of which can be found by looking through the Man Boobz archives for Reddit here.

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babsbeaty (@babsbeaty)

“…who seems a bit naive even for a young ocelot…”

Best. Line. Ever.

quequoi
quequoi
8 years ago

If Men’s Rights Activists were half as good at actually calling out their own misogyny they might actually get some work done towards helping the inordinate number of men who are homeless or who commit suicide.
I other words if Men’s Rights Activists really cared about helping men and not just bashing on women, they’d be feminists.

quantumscale
8 years ago

But of course they’re totally fine with “blanket applying” their own shit onto all women

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

Not Who We Are got the attention he craved! Hooray! Sadly he’s not around to see it since he’s still working through his giant pile of congratulations-you’re-not-quite-as-bad-as-this-really-bad-guy cookies.

Lili Fugit
Lili Fugit
8 years ago

“People are going to get distracted by the dick sucking reference and ignore the valuable points about double standards”. I don’t think he read the same article I read.

But more to the point, when I was typing that quote my computer froze for a second and it stayed on “People are going to get distracted by the dick sucking”, and I thought, well, I should certainly hope so!

sparky
sparky
8 years ago

Isn’t r/mr the subreddit where some guy posted an elaborate torture fantasy and wasn’t banned? Isn’t this the place where women are routinely compared to dogs? Isn’t this the place where some guy blamed th wage gap on women being b*tches?

And that’s just been within the last month?

So now they find this blog post sorta-kinda-but-not-really bad. ::sigh::

Really?

kittehserf
8 years ago

“This is only assuming the 20 minutes of sucking is a lesser burden than the 24 hours of an unhappy partner.”

So there you have it, his entire existence revolves around getting his dick sucked. Nothing else in life counts.

MaudeLL
MaudeLL
8 years ago

Nitpicking here, but I disagree that typhonblue is deluded. I think there’s a pretty rational explanation for a woman to be a FeMRA. There might be a social cost with regards to a small group of people what an MRA is (she was unknown before anyway), but there’s significant social gain for her within the MRA community. You know how AVfM loves to get validated as non-misogynistic because some women are misogynists too.
I just think the word ‘deluded’ is loaded in this context.

Alice Sanguinaria
8 years ago

Bad: suggesting that those wimmens can improve
Okay: extremely graphic torture fantasy!

quequoi
quequoi
8 years ago

IMO Typhon Blue has done “cost benefit analysis” and decided that being a chill-girl gains her more social points than being a decent human being.

kittehserf
8 years ago

Makes you wonder what circles she moves in that being a FeMRA seems the better choice. Or what sort of godawful toxic upbringing she had.

cloudiah
8 years ago

The ocelot comment made me LOL too.

MRAs are such asshats.

quequoi
quequoi
8 years ago

Exactly, kittehserf. I felt bad for her when I first starting coming across her comments a couple of years ago, but the compassion waned when I realized that many MRAs are enabled by FeMRAs and the damage they do together is just too much.

quequoi
quequoi
8 years ago

BTW, I’ve lurked here for a couple of years, but still can’t figure out how to make my Disqus avatar be a kitty on here without being one everywhere else I use this profile. (although now that I think about it, a kitty avatar would go over quite well at Pharyngula)

kittehserf
8 years ago

I don’t think I’ve ever felt bad for a FeMRA, any more than for an MRA. Yes, their enabling of these scumbags will bite them eventually – look at the way MRAs reacted Woolly Bumblebee when she didn’t toe the line, despite all her pandering to them – but like you said, they do far too much damage, and I don’t have any use for misogynists of any gender.

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

Sadly I don’t think you can have a different avatar unless you create a new account for yourself and only use it here…

kittehserf
8 years ago

Hmm, maybe if you set the kitty one up on your account, not via gravatar? I know my Google account one uses a different pic from here.

quequoi
quequoi
8 years ago

I am a dog person IRL, but I may consider it because I appreciate the work that David does and the kittytariat so much.

P.S. please don’t kick me off because I am a dog person. :3

serrana
serrana
8 years ago

You can associate multiple gravatars with one account, but you have to manually change them at http://en.gravatar.com/emails before you comment. Or you can use a different email address here with a whole different gravatar account associated with it.

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

I love dogs! I never really loved cats until I met the stepkitties.

serrana
serrana
8 years ago

Also, welcome, quequoi! Have you received your welcome package yet?

kittehserf
8 years ago

We have lots of dog people here! All the servants of the Furrinati are welcome.

That just reminded me, I saw a Sheltie with a summer cut this morning – zir hair was a couple of inches long. Looked like a foxy-faced teddy bear and I was nearly ded of teh cute.

kittehserf
8 years ago

Like this but not so mega-woolly.

quequoi
quequoi
8 years ago

Shelties are fantastic! I am a Lab woman at heart though.
OK, how’s this for a gravatar? A good compromise for Manboobz? 😉

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
8 years ago

Illustrating this post with Family Circus is brilliant.

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