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Men's Rights Redditors try to call out misogyny, fail (BONUS BIGOTRY: The misogyny caller-outer posts to the White Rights subreddit)

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So my post yesterday pointed out a rather extravagantly misogynistic post by the Men’s Rights Activist behind the blog Men Against Misandry. If you read it, you probably remember the money quote from his post, which he was so proud of he posted separately on Facebook:

If women sucked dick half as well as they suck at sports there would be no more divorces in the great US of A.

Today a new commenter here on Man Boobz, evidently an MRA irritated that I had quoted his comrade, posted a link to a discussion on the Men’s Rights subreddit that went up a couple of hours ago, and that specifically disavowed this quotation, declaring “This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.” The thread, when last I checked, had gotten nearly 800 upvotes from the Men’s Rights regulars.

I thought to myself, “wow, a rare moment of self-reflection, and self-policing, from MRAs!”

But then I started reading the comments.

Many of the Men’s Rights regulars seemed less bothered by the reference to blow jobs in itself than by the implication that better blow jobs would lower the divorce rate. Because, you see, most divorces are initiated by women for nefarious womanly reasons.

As JoshTheAspie put it:

JoshtheAspie 14 points 1 hour ago (16|2)  ... leaving aside any offense or outrage... what he's saying doesn't even make sense.  80% of divorces are initiated by women. How would them being better at sexually pleasuring husbands reduce the amount of divorce?      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]1standarduser -1 points 1 hour ago (2|3)  happier men make better husbands which makes the women happier.  This is only assuming the 20 minutes of sucking is a lesser burden than 24hrs of an unhappy partner.

Meanwhile, here’s one of the top comments in the thread, and the discussion it spawned. Notice the reaction to sad_woman, after she offers a criticism of uberpower’s “argument.” Also, notice uberpower’s own reaction.

uberpower 30 points 1 hour ago (35|5)  Divorces will decrease when men's finances get gender-neutral protection.  Remove the divorce incentive for women, increase two parent families, increase the success of our nation's children.      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]Pecanpig 6 points 1 hour ago (6|0)  The former would probably cause the latter.      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]sad_woman -16 points 44 minutes ago (4|20)  you people are seriously fucking warped. this sentiment is more offensive than the one in op's pic. i gotta go take a fucking shower after stepping into this place, christ      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]RZRtv 6 points 41 minutes ago (7|1)  gb2SRS plz.      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]uberpower 2 points 23 minutes ago (5|3)  Aww, you don't want to lose the right to entice a man then dump him for half of everything he's got?  Is your ex-man paying for your shower sweetie?      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]JimiJons 1 point 7 minutes ago (1|0)  Nothing about what he said is warped or offensive in the slightest. Perhaps you read it wrong, and simply reacted in an extraordinarily unwarranted manner.

If you’re puzzled by RZRtv’s cryptic comment, he is suggesting that sad_woman go back to the ShitRedditSays subreddit, a subreddit devoted to calling out various bigotries on Reddit, and which is regarded by most of Reddit with the same sort of wild-eyed horror and contempt with which Men’s Rightsers regard Man Boobz.

Knucker2, meanwhile, thought that the dick-sucking reference detracted from Men Against Misandry’s other truly valuable points:

knucker2 6 points 1 hour ago (7|1)  I agree. I think the phrase "its offensive* is an extremely weak criticism. It's more accurate and more persuasive to criticize this post for being unconstructive, intentionally inflammatory, and poorly communicating his point.  People are going to get distracted by the dick sucking reference and ignore the valuable points about double standards. If you are going to be inflammatory, then at least do it in a way that keeps people on topic. This is distracting.

As you may recall from my post yesterday, the main point of Men Against Misandry’s “argument” was that women suck at sports. Indeed, the title of his post was “Gender inequality in sports: male athletes paid more. (HINT: women’s sports suck)”

And then there was this enlightening exchange, featuring none other than A Voice for Men’s TyphonBlue and her signature brand of double-reverse whammy logic:

Young_Ocelot 4 points 1 hour ago (6|2)  Holy crap this looks really bad...I hope no one takes that and blanket applies it to the mindset of all men.      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]typhonblue 1 point 1 hour ago (4|3)  Only idiots would extrapolate this to all men.  Now if the gender reverse was published in huffpo by a feminist writer... or similar sentiments were repeated over and over by numerous women... or if it was expressed to applause on a mainstream daytime tv show...

First of all, Young_Ocelot — who seems a bit naive even for a young ocelot — WHY WOULD YOU THINK ANYONE WOULD ASSUME ALL MEN THINK THIS WAY?! No one thinks that all men are raving misogynistic douchebags. However, there are quite a few people who think that a significant portion of Men’s Rights Activists are. For evidence, I would suggest reading, well, this post, or any of my other posts, or even the thread you were posting in.

And Typhon, poor deluded Typhon, do you really think that if someone wrote a HuffPost column arguing that if men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at sucking at sports the divorce rate would drop, they’d get applause? That doesn’t even make the slightest bit of sense.

And even if you adjust the “gender swap” a bit it doesn’t work. If men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at, I dunno, failing to ask for directions when they get lost while driving, there would be no divorce? Huh?

If Men’s Rights Activists were half as good at actually calling out their own misogyny as they are at loudly denying their misogyny while at the same time saying blatently misogynistic shit, well, I might have to shut down this blog.

EDITED TO ADD: BONUS BIGOTRY! The guy who posted the “this is not who we are” post to the Men’s Rights subreddit, our old nemesis Chris3992m,  also recently posted this in the White Rights subreddit. When he was called out for this on AgainstMensRights, he explained that “I only post when there are real issues of white discrimination.”

He also believes that “[m]ost whites during the slave era were actually treated WORSE than the slaves. They had to work for the slaves, because they couldn’t be bought and sold and were considered useless by slaveowners.”

EDITED TO ADD AGAIN: Since I wrote this post, more Men’s Rights Redditors have posted comments more directly disavowing the misogyny of the original “blowjob” quote. If they are sincere about trying to remove the stain of misogyny from the Men’s Rights movement, I would suggest that they also try to convince the subreddit’s mods to remove the links to blatantly misogynistic and hateful websites like A Voice for Men from the subreddit’s sidebar, and that they do a better job of policing the misogyny that pervades the subreddit, many examples of which can be found by looking through the Man Boobz archives for Reddit here.

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kittehserf
8 years ago

A fishy, for all Argenti’s hard work. 🙂

cloudiah
8 years ago

I vote for a fishy too!

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Okay! How about a clown loach? Argenti loves them, right?

And what kind of kitty shall we have borgified? I was planning on a rex, but am open to persuasion!

quequoi
quequoi
8 years ago

I just popped back into the reddit thread to see if there was anything new…

In a discussion (basically) of how r/mr should never have posted that comment because of the Streisand Effect, HeraldOfRevolution gives us this gem:

“To be fair, this was posted on Manboobz, so even if MRAs weren’t made aware of it, anti-MRAs certainly were. It’s best to know what kind of dirt your opponents are going to throw at you.”

Do these people really lack all perspective?

If you don’t want us to laugh at you, stop being so hilariously awful, and start raising awareness about male suicide, maybe raise some funds for homeless men, perhaps discuss how toxic ideas of masculinity are harmful to young boys.

Jim
Jim
8 years ago

Just a quick note about “indentured servants” especially to vaiyt. “Indentured servants weren’t subjected to kidnapping, torture, erasure of identity, deliberate constant humiliation and being hunted down like animals, so there’s that for starters.”

I have to disagree with this statement. I’m Irish, and our history is filled with forced indentured servitude (i.e slavery). The Irish people were kidnapped, tortured, survived attempted genocide, forced famine and the horrors of the coffin ships. We Irish were also sold as slaves in the new world under the banner of indentured servitude.

I’m not trying to take away from the abomination that was slavery, but it wasn’t a great time in my country’s history either. You’re kinda selling the Irish experience short with that statement. Take a wee gander here http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves

kittehserf
8 years ago

A Rex would be just the go for a Borg kitty.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: auggziliary

How many animals are there going to be?

That depends on the generosity of the Boobzers. The little cyborg creatures are going for $20 a pop; right now, two have been lined up. I’ve decided, just for ease and speed, that whoever donates gets to say what kind of animal their donation goes to — be it ‘Persian cat’ to ‘ki-rin.’

Want an animal? You can throw money at me by clicking my little paypal button here!

RE: Kittehs

Okay, unless you’re outvoted, a cyborg Rex kitty it is!

vaiyt
vaiyt
8 years ago

Mind you, the so-sciency dude doesn’t know the difference between theory and hypothesis. That alone shows how sciency he really is.

The other big problem, of course, is that you can’t just make an hypothesis ex nihilo, you need to grab some data which the hypothesis is meant to explain. Cold, hard, measured data, not anecdotes or hearsay.
The other OTHER big problem is that making up a story to explain the data (which doesn’t exist in this case) is not the end of the story. The next step is to figure out how to disprove the hypothesis and put it to the test. For some reason, so-sciency dudes never get around to this part.

This is literally cargo cult science, reproducing the appearance of the scientific method with no knowledge of how it really works.

kittehserf
8 years ago

Just made a donation, Rogan.

I wanna Borg Rex kitty and a Borg donkey. 🙂

cloudiah
8 years ago

We need some kind of borg marsupial too. I’ll donate when I get home.

kittehserf
8 years ago

Borg Drop-Bear, the ultimate killing machine.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Okay then, we’ve got a borg Rex kitty, a borg donkey, and a borg clown loach! Plus a marsupial of some kind when I hear in from cloudiah. What shall it be, Boobzers? A kangaroo? A koala? A tasmanian wolf?

Alice Sanguinaria
8 years ago

Kangaroo rat?

kittehserf
8 years ago

A numbat, maybe? (Look at that tongue!)

https://www.google.com.au/search?client=firefox-a&hs=bCm&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&biw=1093&bih=429&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=numbat&oq=numbat&gs_l=img.3..0l10.22440.23609.0.23817.6.6.0.0.0.0.270.1062.0j1j4.5.0….0…1c.1.32.img..2.4.841.IUwCi4dz8ng

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Oop, might want to try that again, Kittehs!

Alice, a kangaroo rat would have to have TINY little techy bits. (Spring-powered legs!)

kittehserf
8 years ago

Click on the linky part, Rogan, it worked here. It’s the Google image search result page.

lana
lana
8 years ago

If you don’t want us to laugh at you, stop being so hilariously awful, and start raising awareness about male suicide, maybe raise some funds for homeless men, perhaps discuss how toxic ideas of masculinity are harmful to young boys.

I agree.

They spend to much time begrudging that 19 yo’s won’t marry them and how often they get(don’t) their dick sucked to be taken seriously .

kittehserf
8 years ago

Are we sticking to extant animals or are extinct ones getting in, too? Tasmanian wolves (thylacines) are almost certainly extinct.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Dawww, that’s ADORABLE, Kittehs! I didn’t know such a thing existed.

RE: lana

One of my favorite webcomics has the following conversation:
“Stop making me an example.”
“Stop BEING an example.”

In fact, that whole strip seems relevant to the MRM, especially since I think we were talking about Nice Guys not that long ago.

kittehserf
8 years ago

That strip’s perfect! 😀

Numbats are the most gorgeous little critters. Endangered, of course, like pretty much every animal on this continent.

kittehserf
8 years ago

*native animal

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Now I want a numbat.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Cloudiah just said marsupial; she never specified a non-extinct one!

(Besides, I like to pretend a few thylacines got away and are running around, hiding.)

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: auggziliary

AAAH WHY DID I READ THE FUCKING COMMENTS FUCK ARGH

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