After hearing a misogynist make some rancid generalization about women based on the terrible behavior of one particular woman, it’s hard not to respond by saying “not all women are like that.” Misogynists hear this so often, and evidently see it as so hilarious, that they’ve invented their own little acronym for the phrase: NAWALT. You’ll find this all the time on MRA sites, along with its sister acronym NAFALT, with “feminists” in the place of “women.”
Many MRAs seem to believe that simply repeating one or another of these acronyms is an effective, and highly witty, rebuttal to their critics. Because to them it is self-evident: All women, all feminists, ARE like that.
So imagine the pleasure I felt when I finally ran across an MRA-ish fellow challenging this conventional wisdom. On his blog la prensa, the regular Spearhead commenter known as Boxer makes this controversial claim:
It is a popular misconception which men hold on to which suggests all women are the same. This is not the case.
Unfortunately, my pleasure lasted only as long as it took to read these two sentences. Because then Boxer went on to explain just what he meant by this:
For example: Some women are whores, and others are even trashier than whores. Some women live in houses where the litter boxes overflow and the pungent aroma of catshit lingers lovingly in the air. Other women are allergic to cats, and their houses carry the stench of human feces, rotting food and the cheap perfumes they douse themselves in.
Apparently Boxer has never been invited into any woman’s house, and bases most of his opinions of the fair sex on reruns of Hoarders.
Men will center themselves upon these notable differences, and mistakenly assume that the diversity of individual women points to differences in the way individual women behave. Such high-minded fools usually learn the hard way, when the woman decides to “cash out” with the help of the state and its family law courts, who are always eager to liquidate a lifetime of male planning and work, dividing it between themselves and the cunt which the fool so stupidly married.
See yesterday’s post for more on women and their apparently insatiable hunger for D-I-V-O-R-C-E.
The foolish man, confronted by a mountain of inescapable evidence that every woman, from his mother and sister down to the bitch who empties the trashcan in his office, is a trashy slut, will immediately construct an intricate conspiracy theory between his ears. ‘Yes,’ the dumbass tells himself, ‘all the women I have ever known were and are trashy skanks, but that’s just because western society has brainwashed all the women in my own vicinity with its toxic headpoison.”
I am actually pretty sure my mom is not a slut. (Though I have heard that Las Vegas is full of them.)
This mangina will be aided along in his misconception by other manginas and white knights, often falling in with a disgruntled lot on various loser’s hangouts, in real life or on the internet. Often these men get “yellow fever”, and fly off to some third world shitheap to marry (again) in an effort to find that one precious snowflake who is not a third rate whore among the billions and billions of cunts on planet earth who prove their utter worthlessness on a daily basis.
Oh dear. I think Boxer is about to add a heaping helping of racism on top of his misogyny sundae.
It is true that Asian bitches tend to be slimmer and more intelligent than those in the white and black camps, but that just means they are more cunning, and better able to exploit the chumps who delude themselves into thinking that marrying and serving an oriental master is somehow “better” than being the slave of a homegrown American cunt.
Huh. Honestly, that wasn’t quite as bad as I was expecting. Though after nearly two years of intense study of the manosphere, I have some pretty high standards for offensiveness.
For all their variety, bitches’ behavior is uniformly lousy, and in that regard, all women are indeed like that. Yes, all of them, all around the world. This is not a war, it is something more analogous to an organized deer hunt, and you are the prey. For god’s fuck’n sake, quit marrying these slits already.
And so we circle back around to “all women ARE like that.”
Still, I have to say I agree with Boxer’s final sentence. Dudes, if you believe any of this crap, please do not marry women. Or, really, have any contact with them whatsoever. Frankly, I’d suggest that you find yourself a nice uninhabited island – like, say, this one – and move there posthaste. You’ll be much happier, and so will the rest of us.
Thanks, jumbofish. You were able to say that more clearly than I could. I think another part of it is the insistence that it’s not offensive, in spite of your/LBT/other’s arguments otherwise.
RE: jumbofish
But you never hear people speculating they might be secretly repressed heterosexuals. I usually hear people say they are dicks who just happen to be heterosexual not that because they are repressed heterosexuals they lash out.
That’s part of what bothers me. But what bugs me is this sort of… I dunno, implication that being traumatized or being gay or being asexual or something is just SO FUCKING HARD that these guys CAN’T HELP being dicks. I feel like it takes a bit of the responsibility away from them. Because no, it’s not the queer or the ace or anything. It’s that they’re DICKS. That’s the big thing that causes their behavior. Just… argh!
I heart Jumbofish. You may be the smartest person in the world.
Thank you. That is exactly what I’ve been trying and failing to express.
“I feel like it takes a bit of the responsibility away from them. Because no, it’s not the queer or the ace or anything. It’s that they’re DICKS.”
yeah *that* — they might be queer/ace/etc too, but that they’re dicks is the actual problem (also, I second everything jumbofish said)
Seconding Lauralot about LBT’s comment. I haven’t said anything about this thread because I couldn’t think how to put it, and you put it perfectly.
Also, jumbofish. Tonight you share the award for winning the internet.
Hi, hellkell! He’s great! ^_^
Bawwwww I love you all! I am so embarrassed though so I will have to leave sorry!! XD
Clearly Boxer is a Matt Groening character, and the only women he’s ever interacted with are Joan Bushwell and Hattie Mcdoogal
Yeah, now that I’m thinking about it more, I hate this idea that trauma/gay/ace/sheep cause dickery. I don’t like the converse implication that I’m some sorta SPECIAL PERSON who should be given cookies for NOT HATING PEOPLE. I mean, Jesus Christ. It’s common human decency!
And I just can’t muster up much sympathy for the poor sod who’s had it so good that it has never occurred to him that he might have to reassess his sexuality without taking it out on a WHOLE FUCKING GENDER. Like, I might understand… but I don’t forgive it or excuse it at all. Just wtf. Did it suck to get correctively raped to fix my aceness? Sure. Did it suck to realize I stilled preferred men? Sure. But you know what? I dealt with it. Because that’s what you do. You deal with it, or you don’t deal with it, but you shouldn’t take it out on anyone because it’s not their fault.
AAAAARGH.
Thinking about it a bit more, there’s also the implication that only a gay/ace/etc person could possibly spew as much hatred as they do and just…no….
I think that might be what’s really ruffling me wrong though, the implication that to be that vile they must be gay/ace/etc, and my bisexual self manages not to hate anyone as much as they do (ok, with a few truly deserving individuals excepted) — but as LBT said, I don’t think I should get cookies for not hating people, I think they get their cookies taken away for being assholes, regardless whom they may or may not be attracted to.
MRAs want cookies FOR being assholes.
The deal, to me, is that even if they’re all asexuals or whatever the backstory of the day is, and even if that inevitably made you hate women (which, of course, is complete and insulting nonsense), that would still be no excuse. It’s everyone’s job to behave like a decent human being, period. There are no extenuating circumstances that get you out of this.
Falconer:
You know you were thinking it
the bewilderness: Criminy slavy, all those news stories you read about the d00dz killing their children, their ex, their family members, their coworkers. Its another one of those 97% men doing it does not equal 3% of women doing it, no matter how many times you bring up the 3% over and over again it will never equal out.
Such as J. T. Ready, candidate for Pinal County Sherrif, kills his girlfriend, her daughter, her grandaughter, and his girlfriend’s daughter’s boyfriend
He seems to have been your kind of guy, NWO
Subscribing to the belief that only non-Jewish, white hetro-sexuals should be American citizens and that all non-white people should leave the country, Ready readily admitted identifying with the NSM.
‘We’re not going to sit around and wait for the government anymore,’ said Ready in an interview with the Associated Press in 2010.
‘This is what our founding fathers did.’
A real hero he was. being a white nationalist, and all
Marc Pitcavage, national director of investigative research for the Anti-Defamation League, said the group has long been aware of Ready’s activities.
The group’s website describes Ready as a “neo-Nazi and anti-immigrant extremist,” tracing his activities in Arizona from 2004 onward.
“We have monitored J.T. Ready for many years now,” Pitcavage said. It began with Ready’s early activities as a border vigilante but soon led to the realization that Ready was “a full-fledged White supremacist.”
For a time, Pitcavage said, Ready was a “mover and shaker” for the National Socialist Movement, a neo-Nazi group with about 330 members nationwide. Ready was one of the group’s two principal leaders in the Phoenix area, Pitcavage said.
An online biography of Ready includes several quotes in which he advocated restoring the country as a “White, European homeland,” called for militant action against Jews and advocated using “lawful, deadly force” when appropriate to protect the Mexican border.
Pitcavage said it would be premature to link Ready’s extreme political views to the explosion of violence that ended five lives on Wednesday. “When the shooting spree is directed toward family members, or what were essentially the closest thing he had to family members, those are usually personal rather than ideological motives,” Pitcavage said.
Today was my birthday party. I made a chocolate rum cake. It was excellent.
I don’t get this whole deal of hating half the people in the world. Women were at least half my birthday party guests. And it was a great birthday party. We drank so much sangria. Which I also made.
Oh, pain, pain, pain
Ain’t that just love’s name
Love can bring up hurt
From way down low
It cannot be emphasized
True love is just not civilized
True love is not nice
No, no
I still don’t understand how anyone can interpret this site as “man-hating,” unless in their universe everything is man-hating, but how is that possible?
Is the non-hatred of women determined to be hatred of men?
He most definitely is NWO’s kind of guy; every single thing NWO posts that’s not women=good men=bad, wah wah waaaaaah the pretty princesses won’t obeeeey meeeeee is 100% white nationalist / Montana Freemen / black helicopter bullshit from the 1990s. Hey NWO, who told you how to become a sovereign citizen?
“They think they will bring down the world with their marriage strike, but they constitute such an infinitesimal number, they will never make a difference. ”
The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
There are a billion people on the Net so you have to expect some mentally ill ones. But I think that there are just some nasty people in the world whether male or female. People don’t like them and now they feel even more rejected so they become even nastier. I doubt very much that this Boxer guy has had some really bad experience or has even interacted much with women. He may have been rejected but it has more to do with his nasty personality or some other reason that may have caused him to be a failure in life so he blames it all on women.
And I don’t believe that these few men with these attitudes are asexual since only about 1% of people are and generally it’s more common as a result of aging. They constantly talk about going their own way but if someone wanted that they’d just do it and would not be obsessed with talking about how terrible women are or how they’re going their own way without them. They are not asexual or homosexual but men who simply become bitter because they don’t know how to relate to females or have some defect that makes then undesireable or even repulsive to women. People who want to really just go their own way wouldn’t be obsessed with talking about women and in fact wouldn’t even think of them. But I have to wonder about this Boxer guy who thinks that every woman’s house is full of cat or human shit lol Many of these guys will also say that every female has some sort of STD and that you’ll catch something nasty even being near them lol
Well, that’s sort of my theory. Not the secret or the repressed part, but MRAs/MGTOWers are overwhelmingly hetero. (I think I’ve run across a grand total of 2 gay MRAs out there, and no MGTOWers that I know of.) And I don’t think any significant number of them are asexual, openly or otherwise.
I don’t think the intense anger and the hatred of women we see from so many of them makes sense without them also desiring women. It would be one thing if MGTOWers were indifferent to women, but they very clearly are not. They’re pissed that they desire women but can’t control them. They’re obsessed with women. They talk more about women than feminists do.
Also, on the whole “evil murdering women” thing, here’s a site that’s both illuminating and depressing:
http://www.domesticviolencecrimewatch.com/
It catalogs violent crimes that are related to domestic violence. At first when you look at it, you might assume it’s only focusing on male-on-female violence. But it’s not. There are cases involving violent women as well. It’s just that, as is the case with violent crime generally, the overwhelming majority of these violent crimes are committed by men.
I think the vast majority of MRAs are heterosexual and violently frustrated with that condition. On online boards I’ve seen some bizarre pay lip service to gays because they are not attracted to women. MRAs think about women *all the time*, just not in a respectful, enriching, or mutually beneficial way. Just look at Boxer’s post. The whole point of his piece is to urge men women are all equally not worth it, but if they’re not worth it and not worth a jot of attention, his “article” is sure as heck saturated with self-imploding obsession about them.