After hearing a misogynist make some rancid generalization about women based on the terrible behavior of one particular woman, it’s hard not to respond by saying “not all women are like that.” Misogynists hear this so often, and evidently see it as so hilarious, that they’ve invented their own little acronym for the phrase: NAWALT. You’ll find this all the time on MRA sites, along with its sister acronym NAFALT, with “feminists” in the place of “women.”
Many MRAs seem to believe that simply repeating one or another of these acronyms is an effective, and highly witty, rebuttal to their critics. Because to them it is self-evident: All women, all feminists, ARE like that.
So imagine the pleasure I felt when I finally ran across an MRA-ish fellow challenging this conventional wisdom. On his blog la prensa, the regular Spearhead commenter known as Boxer makes this controversial claim:
It is a popular misconception which men hold on to which suggests all women are the same. This is not the case.
Unfortunately, my pleasure lasted only as long as it took to read these two sentences. Because then Boxer went on to explain just what he meant by this:
For example: Some women are whores, and others are even trashier than whores. Some women live in houses where the litter boxes overflow and the pungent aroma of catshit lingers lovingly in the air. Other women are allergic to cats, and their houses carry the stench of human feces, rotting food and the cheap perfumes they douse themselves in.
Apparently Boxer has never been invited into any woman’s house, and bases most of his opinions of the fair sex on reruns of Hoarders.
Men will center themselves upon these notable differences, and mistakenly assume that the diversity of individual women points to differences in the way individual women behave. Such high-minded fools usually learn the hard way, when the woman decides to “cash out” with the help of the state and its family law courts, who are always eager to liquidate a lifetime of male planning and work, dividing it between themselves and the cunt which the fool so stupidly married.
See yesterday’s post for more on women and their apparently insatiable hunger for D-I-V-O-R-C-E.
The foolish man, confronted by a mountain of inescapable evidence that every woman, from his mother and sister down to the bitch who empties the trashcan in his office, is a trashy slut, will immediately construct an intricate conspiracy theory between his ears. ‘Yes,’ the dumbass tells himself, ‘all the women I have ever known were and are trashy skanks, but that’s just because western society has brainwashed all the women in my own vicinity with its toxic headpoison.”
I am actually pretty sure my mom is not a slut. (Though I have heard that Las Vegas is full of them.)
This mangina will be aided along in his misconception by other manginas and white knights, often falling in with a disgruntled lot on various loser’s hangouts, in real life or on the internet. Often these men get “yellow fever”, and fly off to some third world shitheap to marry (again) in an effort to find that one precious snowflake who is not a third rate whore among the billions and billions of cunts on planet earth who prove their utter worthlessness on a daily basis.
Oh dear. I think Boxer is about to add a heaping helping of racism on top of his misogyny sundae.
It is true that Asian bitches tend to be slimmer and more intelligent than those in the white and black camps, but that just means they are more cunning, and better able to exploit the chumps who delude themselves into thinking that marrying and serving an oriental master is somehow “better” than being the slave of a homegrown American cunt.
Huh. Honestly, that wasn’t quite as bad as I was expecting. Though after nearly two years of intense study of the manosphere, I have some pretty high standards for offensiveness.
For all their variety, bitches’ behavior is uniformly lousy, and in that regard, all women are indeed like that. Yes, all of them, all around the world. This is not a war, it is something more analogous to an organized deer hunt, and you are the prey. For god’s fuck’n sake, quit marrying these slits already.
And so we circle back around to “all women ARE like that.”
Still, I have to say I agree with Boxer’s final sentence. Dudes, if you believe any of this crap, please do not marry women. Or, really, have any contact with them whatsoever. Frankly, I’d suggest that you find yourself a nice uninhabited island – like, say, this one – and move there posthaste. You’ll be much happier, and so will the rest of us.
>Not really. Gullible is probably the best description. Tell women anything and attach the word victim or oppression to it and the herd will follow.
I wonder why that does not work out for the MRM? Probably because the guys at the top are supressing you… right? But… why the hell are you rallying agains the sheepish masses then?
Yosei is right. Never have I met a group of men as obsessed with women as MGTOW are. It’s WEIRD. If most of them were either gay or asexual there’s no way they’d be able to sustain that hyperfocus on women, as a movement. That kind of disturbing hyperfocus can really only come from frustration at wanting something and not being able to have it.
(The something they want being not just women, but control over women to an extent that’s just not feasible even with the most submissive of willing partners.)
Actually you know what it reminds me of? (Giant trigger warning for eating disorders here) It reminds me of the way you think about food when you’re on a really strict diet. The only time I can remember being that obsessive about anything was when I was restricting myself to a ridiculously low number of calories (like, under 300 a day). During that period food was all I could think about – I couldn’t make myself focus on anything else.
The obvious differences being that a. women are people, not consumables, and b. the realization that women insist on being treated as people and not consumables seems to send these guys into fits of rage. Their attitude seems to be basically “we are starving, how dare you not feed us?”, and being reminded that again, women are people and therefore not automatically avaliable for consumption just because you’re hungry, just sets off more anger.
It’s why it’s so impossible to communicate with them, because how do you talk to someone who’s angry at you for being a person and not a consumable object?
Has he not seen the episodes of Hoarders starring men?
I just can’t with this, “All women are assholes,” or, “all men are assholes.” It’s like, sometimes people suck. This is a genderless issue. And because some of the women you’ve been with suck, not all the women in the world suck. I mean, what were the shitty men in my life? Were they actually women all along?
While we’re throwing out psychological theories maybe they’re all momma’s boys. Maybe their mother was over protective and told them that no woman will be ever good enough for them, and if a woman doesn’t like them for who they are (entitled assholes) then they’re not worth their time.
“They think they will bring down the world with their marriage strike, but they constitute such an infinitesimal number, they will never make a difference. ”
And they are forgetting about the modern-day polygamists and open relationship folks who stand ready to take up any slack. 😉
I’m not sure their’s any point trying to figure these guys out. It’s not worth the time and energy and I, at least, have more important things to think about. Besides, I’m not a psychiatrist, so I don’t really feel qualified to offer an opinion.
And where’s this ” if you’re not with us you must be agin’ us ” bullshit coming from? Why does being pro-woman make us man-haters? That’s just dumb.
In other news: I’m off chemotherapy!!!!! Yay!!!!! (please excuse the excitable exclamation marks).
All of this has nothing to do with feminism. I’ve made comments on these MRM sites that if what you call feminism disappeared today that all of you would still have the same problems with women that you have now. Of course, I got a 100 thumbs down for my comment lol I’m a natural bachelor and probably twice the age of these MRM boys and I know many women. I’ve never had any problem with them and it doesn’t matter where I go they are always friendly to me so I have to wonder what planet these boys are living on where every women is either a slut or is going to do something nasty to them, or is disease ridden. If I mention a few instances where a woman has done something kind for me I get the thumbs down again. They simply do not want to believe that there are any good females. Then you have the “game” boys who believe that there is some new secret method of getting women to have sex with them and they really believe this crap.
And what’s up with this making them a sandwich nonsense? lol
serrenwali-did you see the last episode of House, MD?
Hello again.
I feel I need to apologise for a lot of stuff. I feel that it was my post which was the catalyst for a lot of the arguments that went on yesterday. Two things in particular I posted (which is on the previous page of “older comments”).
1. “One does have to wonder, what trauma that Boxer and men of his ilk have gone through to make them think the way I do.”
and
2. “Perhaps one sweet blessing is that I know people like this are unlikely to breed, as their hatred for woman (and I believe most of these guys are A sexual, or perhaps I’m mixing them up with some other group? Correct me if I’m wrong.)”
Since then I’ve read pretty much every comment from people who were annoyed and offended at these opinions. Firstly from people who think that it’s an excuse to pin a childhood trauma on misogyny.
This was completely unjustified from. Especially given the amount of people who have been abused and turn out perfectly okay, and have worked hard to give themselves a normal life. I only found out about MRAs and this blog about a month ago, and I believe that – like finding out about Nazis for the first time – I didn’t know how to manage this knowledge that these people exist. So, I attempted to justify it rather than *shock* believe that these people are just evil. They are rationally evil, sanely evil – but evil nonetheless. It isn’t a psychological disorder, and it isn’t because of abuse.
Secondly, for me to suggest that asexuality has a direct link to misogyny is unforgivable. I have no excuse for it and my fingers typed something which was unjustifiable BS. All I can do is offer my deepest, deepest apology to all those who were offended by this. I know little to nothing about those who are asexual, and I don’t want to be that jerk who makes assumptions. All forms of sexuality deserve the utmost respect and it isn’t mine – or anyone else’s – place to make assumptions and all I can do is hope you accept my apology. And even if you can’t, that’s understandable.
This is only my second post here and I don’t want to be remembered on these places as “that guy who is prejudiced towards alternative lifestyles.”
DCD.
I’m no psychologist, but the extent to how “ascetic” some MRAs/MGTOW want to be really does perplex me, if only because they’ve already been outdone and they don’t know it. I know many celibate monks and the vast majority actually are the proper “MGTOW”. They avoid sex and relationships (without any of Boxer’s toxic resentment, mind you) yet are more or less able to stay socially functional, devoted to doing good works, respected by both women and men – and! – interact with the female gender respectfully, just without the romance. Shouldn’t this really be the way to go if you want to “go your own way”? If MRAs are looking to drop women altogether, then a monk’s vocation they could consider.
Oops, I forgot – the vast majority don’t actually want something as simple as living their own life in amicable, non-physical interaction with women in an egalitarian, non-privileged world. They want something much more sinister.
DCD a lot of MRAs have kids and either have been or are married. They also often have girlfriends or at least women they are sleeping with. Spearheads welmer is married for starters. I’m not sure why these guys turn out the way they do and I really don’t care because whatever has happened doesn’t justify the way they think.
Thanks, DCD.
That’s how you do an apology.
John Thomas: no, I didn’t. Was it relevant to either of my comments? I’m truly thrilled about the chemo exiting my life with a flourish. It’ll take me months to recover but at least I don’t have to have that nasty little cannula and the lobotomised feeling I get from the drugs again.
Thank you for the apology DCD. If you’re interested in learning more about asexuality google AVEN and do some reading. Speaking for myself, I’ve never “chosen” to be asexual, if anyrhing I’ve chosen to live a pretty hetero cis womans sexuality and wondered what was wrong with me. I say I chose to live with exhibiting typical behaviour because it never came to my attention that asexuality even existed and I wasn’t really listening to the fact that sex isn’t something I really think about because the old myth that “women don’t like sex that much” and the various explanations why prevented me from digging deeper.
Serenvali, that’s fantastic! I wish you a long and healthy life!
@ Hellkell: That’s quite okay. This has bugging me since last night. I still don’t know what made me make such a BS assumption.
@ Pillowinhell: I’m beginning to understand that now. I think when I first heard about MRA’s I had an *eyes shut and fingers in ears* moment where I refused to believe these were rational minds capable of having sexual relationships. But of course, they do and, as you say, have wives and girlfriends.
I’m reminded of a quote by Bart Simpson to Homer. “Maybe you should have researched this, huh Homer?” Yes, I should have researched this before flapping my gums.
DCD
@ Pillowinhell: Thanks for the advice. I’ll be sure to research a little and look on AVEN. Sounds like good stuff.
John Thomas: re your other comment. Most men have no problem, either with women, or feminism but these guys have built us up into some kind of bogey man and I really don’t understand why they would bother. I guess if you go out either have to trick women into sleeping with you (as the PUA do) or harass from the sidelines and tell apocryphal stories about evil women, STDS, and spermjacking, you’ll find the kind of trouble your looking for. Most people dislike being maligned and the MRA can be extremely unpleasant and while it might be unwise (rather than just walking away) to give as good as you got, I would find it difficult to blame their victims from doing so.
DCD. Lol! Don’t worry, I had the same moment myself when I found MRAs. I mean run of the mill sexist I’ve run into many times before. If it hadn’t been for the fact that some men in my family (both grandfathers) thought this way I’d still be looking for excuses. That and I read some research about the effects of childhood abuse and did some thinking. It may be that certain experiences set them up to think the way they do, but typing the shit they type is a very intentional act. One they happily choose to keep doing. Also, they tend to be rather florid and hyperbolic which tells me they are actively seeking to warp their thinking further
DCD: that’s fine, don’t worry about it, we can all have bad evenings when we spoke without having thought everything through. Thanks for the apology, though.????
PillowinhelL:
Thankyou so much. The last few months has been hell and although I have more surgery a bit down the track it doesn’t frighten me nearly as much as the chemo does.l
Seranvali, congrats on ending the chemo. That’s got to feel fantastic.
So does tripping over your own feet and faceplanting into a magazine rack and knocking it over, glossy pages flying everywhere, and hurriedly picking yourself up before the store employee gets there and walking away with a nonchalant, almost feline “I meant to do that” posture.
Guess which one the MRM is closer to achieving?