Oh dear. The Spearheaders are talking about the Slutwalks again. The discussion may be the worst on the subject that I have run across so far. Some of the lowlights:
Keyster seems downright pissed that women actually have the right to say no:
They’re high functioning children with sexual power and they don’t want you to forget it. They’re outraged that just because a young woman dresses and acts in a sexually provocative manner, that she might receive unwanted attention from young men that don’t appeal to her.
She should be able to dress like a street whore and abuse alcohol to the point of delerium and they feel compelled to lecture us on how that doesn’t mean this is an advertisment to be sexually harrassed, sexually assaulted or heaven forbid raped. …
They want the “RIGHT” to dress as sexually provocative as they want to without being constantly annoyed by lowly beta males. They’d prefer you not “sexually victimize” them, unless you’re hot and they’re into you, then it’s totally OK. …
Remember this: She didn’t bother to get dressed up for the likes of YOU. Her hope was a worthy athelete or Hollywood star might notice her and talk to her; not some weak, pathetic loser …
“We’ve got the sexual power, the power of consent, the gate keeper of the holy vaginal crevice. See our bouncing propped up cleavage, our long legs and glorious ass protruding from those heels? You want it don’t you?
….ha, ha, ha…you can’t have it because I SAY SO! Because I have THIS power over you, lowly little man. Bow down to me and beg me a little, I might even let the others see me talking to you, without calling the cops.” …
This isn’t feminism, it’s flaunting female sexual power in the faces of men.
You’re seriously complaining that woman have the “power of consent!?” EVERYONE has the power of consent. No one male or female is obliged to have sex with anyone they don’t want to. That’s, you know, rape. It bothers you that women are the “the gate keeper[s] of the holy vaginal crevice?” Who the fuck else should be the gatekeeper of a person’s vagina other than the person whose vagina it is? The mind reels. But apparently the 50+ upvoters of this piece of abhorrent nonsense aren’t bothered by any of this.
Demirogue, meanwhile, suggests we need to better discipline our women:
While perusing FB last week I came across the newest deviation of this mentality which is going topless. … And they want to cry about rape? They need to cry but only because people said enough is enough and started to belt them on their asses.
Women need to be controlled and on a very, very short leash. They’ve been given every right, every option, every opportunity to be something and what do they do with it? Abuse and manipulate it with reckless abandonment and incessant demands.
Geography Bee Finalist himself thinks the slutwalkers must be retarded:
I wouldn’t worry too much about these Slutwalk sows.
They have no redeeming features. None.
They cannot figure out that if you dress like a whore, you deserve to be treated in a disrespectful manner. Even conservatively dressed mentally retarded women can figure this out and conduct themselves with more propriety and intelligence than these Slutwalkers … .
Knuckledragger blames it on those damned suffragettes:
…we let ‘em drive, we let ‘em vote, and this is what we get.
Ridiculous to even offer attention to another excuse to dress like a whore, goof off in public, and not bring me a beer.
Any man worth his salt should fire any skank who was “sick” from work to attend this nonsense.
SingleDad seems to think that all accusations of rape are made up:
Rape is now the extra tax women charge men if some how their unsatisfied with whatever arrangement was made before or after any encounter in or outside of marriage.
Other lowlights:
Poiuyt agreeing with Anders Breivik’s “observations surrounding this femaleist pandemic,” while adding that he “is to be rebuked for taking the wrong cureative actions to solve it.”
Demirogue (in a second comment) complaining that “overvalued pussy is all [women today] have to offer and only to certain men.”
Anonymous age 69 explaining that “rape laws were intended to protect women of good character, from being sexually violated,” not “to protect promiscuous sluts .”
And more, much, much more. Many of the worst (including most of those quoted here) have many dozens of upvotes. Go read the thread yourself, if you think you can stomach it.
There are no arguments to rebut here; I can only repeat the basic message that the slutwalks are trying to convey: no one deserves to be raped, no matter what they are wearing or how much consensual sex they engage in. Even if they show some cleavage or prefer athletes and/or rocks stars to so-called beta males.
I have one question, NWO, and one question only:
Under Feminism’s conception of “equality,” does equality mean everyone earns the same amount of pay per year, regardless of position, hours, or effort? Or does it mean everyone doing the same job be paid the same amount per year, regardless of hours or effort? Or does it mean that everyone who does the same job gets paid according to their hours and effort, independent of their gender?
I await your response.
No one hates men for their achievements. I certainly don’t. I hate the system that previously denied women and minorities (there are men who are minorities, NWO and they have also suffered from discrimination in hiring practices) equal opportunities and access.
We can, and have to some extent, improved in areas of opportunity. Access is a different ball of wax.
Helping women above what help is given men is justifiable.
Yes it is. Because men already get tons and tons of “unofficial” (as well as plenty of official–it’s not like men get no grants or scholarships) help.
Plus the added statement of men having the upper hand as if it’s a competition.
It shouldn’t be a competition, but it seems to be. And don’t you think it’s a competition? Your attitude of women small business owners certainly isn’t “there’s another American making a better life for herself and her employees; good for her.”
What else could any agency/charity be considered that “helps” one half of the population while actively denying that same “help” to the other half?
“People with broken legs get casts, and people with intact legs don’t! NO FAIR!”
@Raoul:
Both you and he were making similar statements, and I had the same thing to say to each of you. Thus I addressed both of you to save post space.
“…that anyone bitching about being lonely is to be regarded as a bloody minded idiot until proven otherwise”
Nope, other way around. You’d know that if you followed the conversations between us and MRAL when he first showed up. This is a common enough complaint about trolls though that its getting irritating. You get what you earn; if you waltz in here blathering about nonsense, disregarding what people say in order to hate on what we don’t actually believe, we are gonna treat you like a bloody minded idiot. Not a moment before then.
And of course that was supposed to say “complaint from trolls.”
I have my own question for NWO, how the hell do you manage to post so much here when you’re forever working gruelling 19-day-shifts? o_O I guess you can’t sleep from the hunger pains after not eating for 200 days…
And with that graph and his interpretation of it, NWOslave once again demonstrates his complete lack of understanding of the basics of policy. Seriously, it’s 101 stuff to know the link between neoliberal policy and increases in inequality, and to produce a graph like that and blame income gap increases on women getting the vote is.. facile. Dude, just shut up, you have no clue.
Also,to whoever said this: “Okay. Let me put it this way. I’m not saying all women do it. But if there’s really nothing to this female sexual elitism thing, why is there this entire blogosphere partially devoted to the phenomenon?”
There’s a section of the internet dedicated to stories about Roy Orbison wrapped in clingfilm as well. Your point?
Just a couple State agencies first on the search list.
http://www.sba.gov/about-offices-content/1/2895
Heres a good site with lots of links to other sites. The beauty of charity organisations for women are they are completely tax deductible. In other words it pays for giant corporations to help only women. That deduction is passed onto the taxpayer.
http://www.womanowned.com/Growing/Funding/Opportunities.aspx
And please stop saying there are no quotas. The State comprises over 22 million employees of which 70% are women. The inevitable result of communism. The State being all things to all people. In order to secure a State contract you must meet the requirements. Which means being AA friendly. So in my present industry, in order for any dairy to obtain a contract to provide milk, soda, water, soap, or any bottled products to the State you must meet the quota system.
As I’ve tried to repeatedly explain this will always drive the cost up for every product. I’ll try one last time.
A company has 100 employees and seeks to sell to the State. The State says you must meet our equality standard of so many women. So say they need an additional 20 women to meet the standard. What they do is invent a dept. such as safety/human resources/ whatever. That cost for the dept. that isn’t needed is transferred to the consumer. Plus the taxes to run those EOE agencies and overseeing agencies and all the crap that goes with it. The more you cry for laws to ensure equality the poorer the general population becomes. This is communism.
@Nobinayamu
“No one hates men for their achievements. I certainly don’t. I hate the system that previously denied women and minorities (there are men who are minorities, NWO and they have also suffered from discrimination in hiring practices) equal opportunities and access.”
Yet you applaud the system that denies men the extra, “help” that everyones taxes gives exclusively to women in employment, education and charities.
NWO, there’s no such fucking thing as quotas.
What do exist is anti-discrimination laws. You can’t be found to be hiring only men when there are qualified female applicants. (Or vice versa!) These aren’t even that well enforced, and in cases where there are more qualified applicants of one gender (say, auto-body shops–or elementary schools) there’s no requirement to make things 50-50.
A company can get a government contract without being 50-50. What it can’t do is turn away women because they are women. They can turn away unqualified women all day long.
@Magical Laura (@_magical_laura)
” I have my own question for NWO, how the hell do you manage to post so much here when you’re forever working gruelling 19-day-shifts? o_O I guess you can’t sleep from the hunger pains after not eating for 200 days…”
I had off yesterday and today. Come tommorow, not so much. Just because you’ve never experienced the thrill of starvation is no reason to mock those of us who have. Or is it just a theoretical puzzle when men go hungry? Oh well, lets open another tax deductible charity for starving uneducated girls in Africa.
Trust me princess, hunger sucks. I’ll be sure to jump on the feminist bandwagon so I can donate more to starving girls.
Huh. I thought communism involved workers controlling the means of production. I think that’s what that Groucho Marx guy was on about.
As with Kirby, Raoul, I lumped you two together because you were talking about similar things. In future, I will be careful to not do that. My apologies.
@Holly Pervocracy
“NWO, there’s no such fucking thing as quotas.”
I’m living proof. The Pepsi co. couldn’t hire me because I’m not a woman. I have over 25 years of experience in machining, design, wiring, assembly, installation and repair of automated equipment and I couldn’t compete with a girl fresh out of college with no experience. I deal with new customers all the time. My title is project manager, I have managed crews of 50 men in my previous job. She had a course in management, I know who got the job. She never worked or dealt with anyone in a professional manner a day in her life.
Pepsico has a Guv contract, in order to keep that they must meet EOE standards. Stop telling me there is no quota system.
I’m going to take the Harrison Bergeron Basketball example and really run with it.
You’ve got a basketball team, and the players’ heights are all over the place. Some are really tall, some are really short, and most are average. You split your basketball team into two halves–the A’s and the B’s, I dunno. The average of these two groups might be slightly different, but on the whole, each side has tall players and short players. But just because you’re a jerk, you tell the B’s that they have to play on their knees.
Then you look at the court and say “Wow, A players sure are taller and win more games! They must be naturally superior!”
Then some of the B players wise up, and they stand back up, or they help each other up. Some of the A players even cross over and help B’s back to their feet.
Then you look at the court and say “Those B’s are getting an unfair advantage! They were naturally, but now they’re getting as tall as the A’s, and the only way that could happen is cheating! Plus, B’s are growing in height and A’s aren’t, and this means that pretty soon all the B players will be eight feet tall!”
(In this example, “you” are NWO.)
That’s how this basketball game is really working. Women aren’t getting taller than men. We’re just standing up for the first time in recent history.
*”They were naturally short.” Darn lack of an edit button.
NWO, if there were a system such as the one you describe, I would consider it unfair and, depending on how successful it was, I’d hate it. Since, however, you’re full of shit and men have access to employment, education and charity, my stance is consistent.
Here are some things you cannot or will not understand:
1) The fact that you can find a website that acts as a resource tool for women business owner’s doesn’t mean that only women business owners have resources. It’s amazing that this has to be explained.
2) Arguing that businesses have to make up unnecessary jobs to employ women to be competetive at the State level is bullshit. I know you believe that you are both brilliant and unjustly persecuted by feminism but understand this: You are not the arbitrator of what is and is not necessary in order to successfully run a business. In fact, you’ve never successfully run a business. According to you, you’ve never even been able to successfully manage your own career.
If the government creates regulations that attempt to ensure workers’ safety then any business that 1) wants government contracts or funding 2) doesn’t want to be in violation of ordinances or 3) really actually cares about the safety of its workers better damn well create an agency that makes sure that it is adhering to the laws and guidelines. The same with HR and whatever other departments you think are nothing but glorified quilting bees.
This is not an issue of forcing equality.
3) There are charities that help men and women, there are charities that focus on aid to women, and there are charities that focus on aid to men, there are charities that focus on aid to children. Your inability to research the groups that focus on men and boys is your problem, not proof of inequality.
“I had off yesterday and today. Come tommorow, not so much. Just because you’ve never experienced the thrill of starvation is no reason to mock those of us who have. Or is it just a theoretical puzzle when men go hungry? Oh well, lets open another tax deductible charity for starving uneducated girls in Africa.”
Oh lordy. It would be physically impossible to work the hours you have stated in the past (adding up to 27 hour days and so on), as it would to go 200 days without food and live to tell the tale.
But yeh, you’re right, I think starving men are THEORETICAL PUZZLES o_O That, or you’re a liar.
Aww, no love for my question about the definition of equality, NWO?
Sadness…
Magical Laura, you win the NWO Award for getting a question answered. Congrats!
Maybe you didn’t get the job because you’re a stupid, willfully ignorant asshole with a chip on your shoulder. I wouldn’t even hire you to shine my shoes.
I’m living proof. The Pepsi co. couldn’t hire me because I’m not a woman. I have over 25 years of experience in machining, design, wiring, assembly, installation and repair of automated equipment and I couldn’t compete with a girl fresh out of college with no experience. I deal with new customers all the time. My title is project manager, I have managed crews of 50 men in my previous job. She had a course in management, I know who got the job. She never worked or dealt with anyone in a professional manner a day in her life.
That is not proof that there are quotas. Quotas are set amount that a business or school or other organization must have.
What that is proof of is that apparently Pepsi thought College Graduate Lady was better for the job then you. That is all it is proof of. (I take no position on if they were correct or not, just that they decided she was what they needed instead of you.)
Prove that the Pepsi Company refused to hire you because you were a man. I mean it. Prove it.
You hate women and believe that we are whores by nature. You’ve said this. You have said time and time again that women are less capable, less creative, and less intelligent than men. You’ve come to these threads with ludicrous takes on graphs, charts, statistics and have shown, time and again, a level of innumeracy that is routinely mocked. You have poor reading comprehension, a laughable sense of history, and can barely write. You’re illogical, emotional, hyperbolic and lie all the time.
But I’m supposed to take your word for it, a man who believes that women are not qualified to do anything, that Pepsi refused to hire you because you’re a man and hired an unqualified woman to please “the state.”
Prove it. Did you file suit?
@Nobinayamu Exactly. It’s gonna be a tough job to prove that Pepsico is secretly discriminating against men when there are so many GOOD reasons not to hire him o_O
@Nobinayamu
If all you say is true, I’ve got a little challenge for you. Are ya game?
Do a search on charities for only women-vs-only men. Run privately, run by the State, run by the UN, run by various corporate foundations.
Do a search on employment for only women-vs-only men. Run privately, run by the State, run by the UN, run by various corporate foundations.
Do a search on education for only women-vs-only men. Run privately, run by the State, run by the UN, run by various corporate foundations.
Do a search on business opportunity for only women-vs-only men. Run privately, run by the State, run by the UN, run by various corporate foundations.
Do a search on health/health agencies for only women-vs-only men. Run privately, run by the State, run by the UN, run by various corporate foundations.
Prove to me I’m wrong.
Prove to me the vaunted, “equality” of feminism is what it claims.
@Kirby He only answers the questions he HAS an answer to, and he has no idea how to answer yours. Even if it’s another boring lie.