Oh dear. The Spearheaders are talking about the Slutwalks again. The discussion may be the worst on the subject that I have run across so far. Some of the lowlights:
Keyster seems downright pissed that women actually have the right to say no:
They’re high functioning children with sexual power and they don’t want you to forget it. They’re outraged that just because a young woman dresses and acts in a sexually provocative manner, that she might receive unwanted attention from young men that don’t appeal to her.
She should be able to dress like a street whore and abuse alcohol to the point of delerium and they feel compelled to lecture us on how that doesn’t mean this is an advertisment to be sexually harrassed, sexually assaulted or heaven forbid raped. …
They want the “RIGHT” to dress as sexually provocative as they want to without being constantly annoyed by lowly beta males. They’d prefer you not “sexually victimize” them, unless you’re hot and they’re into you, then it’s totally OK. …
Remember this: She didn’t bother to get dressed up for the likes of YOU. Her hope was a worthy athelete or Hollywood star might notice her and talk to her; not some weak, pathetic loser …
“We’ve got the sexual power, the power of consent, the gate keeper of the holy vaginal crevice. See our bouncing propped up cleavage, our long legs and glorious ass protruding from those heels? You want it don’t you?
….ha, ha, ha…you can’t have it because I SAY SO! Because I have THIS power over you, lowly little man. Bow down to me and beg me a little, I might even let the others see me talking to you, without calling the cops.” …
This isn’t feminism, it’s flaunting female sexual power in the faces of men.
You’re seriously complaining that woman have the “power of consent!?” EVERYONE has the power of consent. No one male or female is obliged to have sex with anyone they don’t want to. That’s, you know, rape. It bothers you that women are the “the gate keeper[s] of the holy vaginal crevice?” Who the fuck else should be the gatekeeper of a person’s vagina other than the person whose vagina it is? The mind reels. But apparently the 50+ upvoters of this piece of abhorrent nonsense aren’t bothered by any of this.
Demirogue, meanwhile, suggests we need to better discipline our women:
While perusing FB last week I came across the newest deviation of this mentality which is going topless. … And they want to cry about rape? They need to cry but only because people said enough is enough and started to belt them on their asses.
Women need to be controlled and on a very, very short leash. They’ve been given every right, every option, every opportunity to be something and what do they do with it? Abuse and manipulate it with reckless abandonment and incessant demands.
Geography Bee Finalist himself thinks the slutwalkers must be retarded:
I wouldn’t worry too much about these Slutwalk sows.
They have no redeeming features. None.
They cannot figure out that if you dress like a whore, you deserve to be treated in a disrespectful manner. Even conservatively dressed mentally retarded women can figure this out and conduct themselves with more propriety and intelligence than these Slutwalkers … .
Knuckledragger blames it on those damned suffragettes:
…we let ‘em drive, we let ‘em vote, and this is what we get.
Ridiculous to even offer attention to another excuse to dress like a whore, goof off in public, and not bring me a beer.
Any man worth his salt should fire any skank who was “sick” from work to attend this nonsense.
SingleDad seems to think that all accusations of rape are made up:
Rape is now the extra tax women charge men if some how their unsatisfied with whatever arrangement was made before or after any encounter in or outside of marriage.
Other lowlights:
Poiuyt agreeing with Anders Breivik’s “observations surrounding this femaleist pandemic,” while adding that he “is to be rebuked for taking the wrong cureative actions to solve it.”
Demirogue (in a second comment) complaining that “overvalued pussy is all [women today] have to offer and only to certain men.”
Anonymous age 69 explaining that “rape laws were intended to protect women of good character, from being sexually violated,” not “to protect promiscuous sluts .”
And more, much, much more. Many of the worst (including most of those quoted here) have many dozens of upvotes. Go read the thread yourself, if you think you can stomach it.
There are no arguments to rebut here; I can only repeat the basic message that the slutwalks are trying to convey: no one deserves to be raped, no matter what they are wearing or how much consensual sex they engage in. Even if they show some cleavage or prefer athletes and/or rocks stars to so-called beta males.
Re: Nobinayamu’s comment: Don’t forget Greater Facial Alphas! That still cracks me up. 😀
I’ve been gone too long. The greater beta and greater facial alpha terms are new to me. I remember seeing the alpha alpha, so I’m guessing these new terms show subcategories in the Greek system of bullshit. I think they sound like names for my son’s Transformers, like Omega Alpha, or Beta Prime.
I mainly lurk around here, but I just wanted to say that I would buy a t-shirt that said, “I have invented many machines from scratch.” It’s just so perfect.
@Rutee
“Lets assume as a thought experiment that men and women are paid the same if they do the same job, and men tend to be in more higher-paying jobs. This leads to a difference in average wages of x%. To combat this injustice, legislation mandates a wage increase for all women of x%, and now there is no more wage gap. Is the world now a more just place? I’d say no: instead of one instance of injustice (men being in higher-paying positions) there is now one more (women get better pay for doing the same job). To really combat the symptom of injustice, the gap in wages, in a just way, one needs to get at the core of the problem, and intervene there.”
As always, feminists follow the assumption that men and women are interchangable with the same inherent abilities. The solution to this indoctrinated falsehood will always be legislation, (communism).
When you see pictures of the sweatshops of old you will notice women were lined up to do the repetitive tasks. A classic example would be ball bearing factories many years ago. Women would take a pair of preset calipers and measure three points of each ball bearing. They simply couldn’t get a man to perform repetitive tasks without quitting so women were utilized.
This all too foolish comminist policy is the reason for the destruction of the economy of the US and the entire western world. Now say we listen to the erroneous assumption Rutee makes and intervene as feminists constantly do to rectify this wage gap. Merit now has no value, and since No one will get paid more reguardless of ability, why would anyone put forth effort? This is Communism/Marxism/Socialism what ever you want to call it.
Men and women are not interchangable, get that thru your heads. Here everyone, heres your 0.8% raise across the board. Next year, no matter what you do, you’ll get 0.8% unless you meet a gender quota. Now these high paying jobs that sckew the wage numbers age 1 in a 1000. So even if every single high paying position was mandated to women by intervention that would still leave 499 women in the shitter.
Every single law enacted is an infringement on your rights. Communism/socialism/marxism was never about equality in any way. Calling something the workers party in no way makes it about the people. Communism/Socialism/Marxism is about A scant few people at the top controlling all the wealth as opposed to true capitalism which rewards merit and the wealth is spread thruout the people. Here is the result of your equality policy.
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The disparity between the haves and have nots has never been greater. Your equality policies are handing over the wealth to the few at the expense of the many. If you’ll note women got the rite to vote in 1920, just look at the huge upsurge in the gap between rich and poor in just 10 years. The Guv doubled in size in 10 years after women got the rite to vote. Now look at the revival of feminism in the 70s and ever since. The gap grows everyday. Women in power seem to be nicely leading the world into Marxist Madness. Are ya sure you wanna side with the State? Do they really care about you, or are you being played?
As always, feminists follow the assumption that men and women are interchangable with the same inherent abilities.
Aren’t you glad we do?
Otherwise, discrimination against men would be JUSTIFIED.
(And against women. I’m not yearning for a world of male oppression, I’m just pointing out that inequality cuts both ways. Equality is in EVERYONE’S favor.)
The disparity between the haves and have nots has never been greater. Your equality policies are handing over the wealth to the few at the expense of the many. […] Women in power seem to be nicely leading the world into Marxist Madness.
I don’t think you understand how Marxism works.
@Holly Pervocracy
Go-go gadget communism.
C’mon, man, do you realize you just said “all this equality is making us unequal!”?
That’s a statement I can’t really respond to on an adult level.
Also: When you see pictures of the sweatshops of old you will notice women were lined up to do the repetitive tasks. A classic example would be ball bearing factories many years ago. Women would take a pair of preset calipers and measure three points of each ball bearing. They simply couldn’t get a man to perform repetitive tasks without quitting so women were utilized.
Don’t you think this was because better jobs weren’t available to women, and they would have loved to quit, but they needed the money to live?
And it’s not like there haven’t been lots of men in shit jobs over the ages. MRAs are always going on about men in coal mines and so forth–do you think these men just weren’t smart enough to work anywhere nicer than a coal mine?
I’m phrasing these as questions, but they’re statements. Men and women have equal (or at any rate, massively overlapping to the point where you can’t make a judgement about an individual from their gender) abilities, and the existence of past discrimination doesn’t prove that it was deserved.
@Holly Pervocracy
Why must you continually feign ignorance?
I clearly said equality policies is inequality.
Why not weight basketball players down so all of them can only jump to the same height? They’d all be equal.
I clearly said equality policies is inequality.
You said it very clearly, and it didn’t make sense.
Why not weight basketball players down so all of them can only jump to the same height? They’d all be equal.
Oh, good old Harrison Bergeron, boogeyman of people who think they’d be ubermenschen if only society would give muscular Aryan males a fair shake.
This isn’t that, though. Men aren’t being held back from anything other than the freedom to oppress women. If your masculine brain gives you the power for great achievements–go the fuck out there and achieve. Go invent things, go start a company, go make your fortune. No silly little lady ought to be able to stop you, right?
Also, we’re talking here about things like sexual assault.
Are sexual assault laws keeping you from reaching your full potential as a superman?
…ew.
@Holly Pervocracy
” This isn’t that, though. Men aren’t being held back from anything other than the freedom to oppress women. If your masculine brain gives you the power for great achievements–go the fuck out there and achieve. Go invent things, go start a company, go make your fortune. No silly little lady ought to be able to stop you, right?”
Any policy that states a quota is a class of people being held back. In or to enact and run the agency that ensures this so called equality means taking wealth from the very people who are being held back. Clearly you can see the oppression in this folly.
Most entrepeneurs of small businesses have their wife/girlfriend listed as the owner due to policy enabling women to recieve grants/loans/assistance with far greater ease and at more favorable rates/with assistance from the State. Again money is taken from the very people who would start a business.
How is it that you all complain about policies from 200 years ago that assisted only men in business start up as oppressive, yet today, money is taken from men to assist only women in business ventures. How isn’t that even more oppressive? At least back then the money to help only men start businesses was taken from men. Now the money is still taken from men but only benefits women. Isn’t this even more oppressive.
Once again NWO thinks that all you have to do is announce that you’re female and people shove wads of money for you.
@Holly Pervocracy
“Are sexual assault laws keeping you from reaching your full potential as a superman?”
Not me personally but many men have been fired for “hurt feelings.” I have personally been denied employment of a job I very much wanted due to being the wrong gender. Do you think I like being away from my home 250 days out of the year? I just got back from a 19 day in a row stint. The mental and pyhsical labor I put forth far out weighs the pay I should recieve. I would’ve liked to have that other job but I was told flat out a quota in a medium payscale job needed a woman. My taxes paid for the very agency that discriminated against me. I paid to be denied equal opportunity. I pay for equal outcome. My merit has less value than your gender. Thats not equality.
Any policy that states a quota is a class of people being held back.
Good thing there’s no such thing as quotas. No hiring office has any document saying “x women must be hired this quarter”–or if they do, it’s illegal.
Most entrepeneurs of small businesses have their wife/girlfriend listed as the owner due to policy enabling women to recieve grants/loans/assistance with far greater ease and at more favorable rates/with assistance from the State.
This isn’t actually true.
At least back then the money to help only men start businesses was taken from men. Now the money is still taken from men but only benefits women.
Most small businesses (60% according to Forbes) are owned by men. (And almost all large businesses.)
There’s still sexism. There’s still barriers to women entering business. Helping female business owners not only is a justifiable answer to sexism, it also isn’t working that well. Men still have the upper hand. And not because they’re more awesomer. Because they aren’t the default parent to stay home with kids, because they have an easier time making buddy-buddy contacts in those male-dominated large businesses, and because until very recently (people educated in the 60s and 70s are still working today, remember) they massively dominated business schools.
Also, um, women pay taxes, ya doofus.
Here’s another goofy metaphor, NWO. Imagine you have a broken leg. You go to the hospital and ask for a cast, and they tell you no, because other people are walking just fine without a cast, and it wouldn’t be fair to those people to give you an unfair advantage.
NWOslave you understand that organizations that choose not to hire the angry dude with the obvious chip on his shoulder aren’t under any obligation to tell him the truth about why.
Seriously, if you behave in real life the way you do here, I’d say whatever I thought was least likely to make you come back with a gun.
@NWO:
You have absolutely no clue what equality actually means, do you? Good lord. How can we respond to someone who thinks that fighting for women to be treated like people inexorably leads to forcing everyone to display the exact same talent? What the holy hell.
Feminism isn’t about shackling the strong and financing the weak (in general terms), its about removing discrimination of gender and allowing each person to be judged on their own merits, not prejudged on their genetics.
If you can’t understand this, that’s fine. I’ll just go right back to mocking you 😛
@Molly Ren
“Once again NWO thinks that all you have to do is announce that you’re female and people shove wads of money for you.”
Are there any agencies in the Guv that give loans/grants/assistance for small businesses only to women? Are there women only health agencies? Are there educational opportunities/help only for women? Are there employment opportunities/quotas only for women?
I pay for that. I pay to place women in a position of superior opportunity/recievership than myself.
Are there any agencies in the Guv that give loans/grants/assistance for small businesses only to women?
Yes. That’s because they need it more, for previously described reasons. Also, there are lots of loans/grants/assistance programs that do include men.
Are there women only health agencies?
Yes, as men have relatively little need for birth control, Pap smears, and mammograms.
Are there educational opportunities/help only for women?
Yes. See above about business assistance.
Are there employment opportunities/quotas only for women?
No. That’s illegal.
Anyway, the sheer scope of defense spending and the massive gender disparity in government means that most of my taxes (which I pay! because I work! like women do!) go to men.
“Are there any agencies in the Guv that give loans/grants/assistance for small businesses only to women?”
Actually, NWO, there’s an entire government association for small businesses. And, as part of my job, I helped put together the information for a minority-owned business to apply for one of those grants.
Guess what? They didn’t get it, because there’s also a financial qualification involved: the business has to have been improving or at least breaking even for you to get money. They don’t just count the female employees and shove a wad of cash at you, they actually consider the MERIT of the business itself!
Actually, NWO, if you’ve ever been unemployed and got unemployment/food stamps, some of my taxes went to pay for YOU!
@Holly Pervocracy
“Helping female business owners not only is a justifiable answer to sexism, it also isn’t working that well. Men still have the upper hand.”
This statement is probably the finest in describing feminism. Helping women above what help is given men is justifiable. Plus the added statement of men having the upper hand as if it’s a competition. In order to cut into this “upper hand” that men have in your competition women demand the State intervene with artificial help.
Everyone of you accuse me of hating women yet your hatred is justifiable and State agencies are formed to, “help” you hate men for any achievement they’ve accomplished. What else could any agency/charity be considered that “helps” one half of the population while actively denying that same “help” to the other half?
@kirby “Raoul and MRAL”
@captbathrobe “MRAL and Raoul”
Please don’t lump me in with that guy. Unless the atmosphere really is so loaded around here that anyone bitching about being lonely is to be regarded as a bloody minded idiot until proven otherwise.
I agree with you more than you know.