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Spearheaders on the SlutWalks. Again. It’s bad.

From the Dallas SlutWalk

Oh dear. The Spearheaders are talking about the Slutwalks again. The discussion may be the worst on the subject that I have run across so far. Some of the lowlights:

Keyster seems downright pissed that women actually have the right to say no:

They’re high functioning children with sexual power and they don’t want you to forget it. They’re outraged that just because a young woman dresses and acts in a sexually provocative manner, that she might receive unwanted attention from young men that don’t appeal to her.

She should be able to dress like a street whore and abuse alcohol to the point of delerium and they feel compelled to lecture us on how that doesn’t mean this is an advertisment to be sexually harrassed, sexually assaulted or heaven forbid raped. …

They want the “RIGHT” to dress as sexually provocative as they want to without being constantly annoyed by lowly beta males. They’d prefer you not “sexually victimize” them, unless you’re hot and they’re into you, then it’s totally OK. …

Remember this: She didn’t bother to get dressed up for the likes of YOU. Her hope was a worthy athelete or Hollywood star might notice her and talk to her; not some weak, pathetic loser …

 “We’ve got the sexual power, the power of consent, the gate keeper of the holy vaginal crevice. See our bouncing propped up cleavage, our long legs and glorious ass protruding from those heels? You want it don’t you?

    ….ha, ha, ha…you can’t have it because I SAY SO! Because I have THIS power over you, lowly little man. Bow down to me and beg me a little, I might even let the others see me talking to you, without calling the cops.” …

    This isn’t feminism, it’s flaunting female sexual power in the faces of men.

You’re seriously complaining that woman have the “power of consent!?” EVERYONE has the power of consent. No one male or female is obliged to have sex with anyone they don’t want to. That’s, you know, rape. It bothers you that women are the “the gate keeper[s] of the holy vaginal crevice?” Who the fuck else should be the gatekeeper of a person’s vagina other than the person whose vagina it is? The mind reels. But apparently the 50+ upvoters of this piece of abhorrent nonsense aren’t bothered by any of this.

Demirogue, meanwhile, suggests we need to better discipline our women:

While perusing FB last week I came across the newest deviation of this mentality which is going topless. …  And they want to cry about rape? They need to cry but only because people said enough is enough and started to belt them on their asses.

Women need to be controlled and on a very, very short leash. They’ve been given every right, every option, every opportunity to be something and what do they do with it? Abuse and manipulate it with reckless abandonment and incessant demands.

Geography Bee Finalist himself thinks the slutwalkers must be retarded:

I wouldn’t worry too much about these Slutwalk sows.

They have no redeeming features. None.

They cannot figure out that if you dress like a whore, you deserve to be treated in a disrespectful manner. Even conservatively dressed mentally retarded women can figure this out and conduct themselves with more propriety and intelligence than these Slutwalkers … .

Knuckledragger blames it on those damned suffragettes:

…we let ‘em drive, we let ‘em vote, and this is what we get.

Ridiculous to even offer attention to another excuse to dress like a whore, goof off in public, and not bring me a beer.

Any man worth his salt should fire any skank who was “sick” from work to attend this nonsense.

SingleDad seems to think that all accusations of rape are made up:

Rape is now the extra tax women charge men if some how their unsatisfied with whatever arrangement was made before or after any encounter in or outside of marriage.

Other lowlights:

Poiuyt agreeing with Anders Breivik’s  “observations surrounding this femaleist pandemic,” while adding  that he  “is to be rebuked for taking the wrong cureative actions to solve it.”

Demirogue (in a second comment) complaining that “overvalued pussy is all [women today] have to offer and only to certain men.”

Anonymous age 69 explaining that “rape laws were intended to protect women of good character, from being sexually violated,” not “to protect promiscuous sluts .”

And more, much, much more. Many of the worst (including most of those quoted here) have many dozens of upvotes.  Go read the thread yourself, if you think you can stomach it.

There are no arguments to rebut here; I can only repeat the basic message that the slutwalks are trying to convey: no one deserves to be raped, no matter what they are wearing or how much consensual sex they engage in. Even if they show some cleavage or prefer athletes and/or rocks stars to so-called beta males.

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VoiP
VoiP
10 years ago

Also, nice job shifting from “Porn magazines aren’t journalism!” to “Yeah, well…find me a second source!”

tatjna
tatjna
10 years ago

And now NWO fails to grasp the basic difference between a capitalist economy and a free market one.

You’re embarassing yourself, mate.

VoiP
VoiP
10 years ago

Maybe I should get this book so I know what the fuck he’s talking about here.

I DARE you to do a “Let’s Read” for any of Farrell’s works. Hell, I’ll participate.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

Ok, I’m going to agree w/ Factfinder on one thing xD I find the phrase “blow me” extremely problematic too. :

VoiP
VoiP
10 years ago

While I originally wasn’t sure colostomy bags could type at all, FactFinder’s been quite nimble. Where’s he going next? THE GAME SO FAR:

August 9, 7:06 PM:
I need more information than a supposed Penthouse interview to form conclusions. Do you have something more than questionable print on the pages of adolescent wank-fodder or are you going to just keep pointing to it as though it were scripture?…Sorry, Penthouse is not a well-sourced claim. Now sit down and shut up so you don’t embarrass yourself again. Good girl.

[I post something about how porn magazines can have journalism in them as well; many other people post about how primary sources work]

August 9, 11:50 PM:
Journalists lie and embellish all of the time. I just need more than a single article to confirm a shocking and out-of-character claim. I mean, have you read any of his books?

[I post links to a book and a forum post that quote one of his books, displaying that Farrell not only has a fucked-up attitude toward incest but has mentioned it repeatedly. Bee links to a statement Farrell made to the LA Times in 1993 that he intended to write a book about “positive incest experiences.”]

August 9,12:13 AM:
I read the original 1993 version [of “The Myth of Male Power”] and it did not condone incest.

[David cites the 1993 “Myth of Male Power”, which he owns, with page number, as well as quotes from “Why Men Are the Way They Are” on Farrell’s own website. While these excerpts don’t “condone” rape exactly, they demonstrate that Farrell has a problematic concept of sex and power, and provide a deeper context for the Penthouse interview, which by now does not seem “out of context” at all.]

Your move, you santorum-spitting dicknob.

VoiP
VoiP
10 years ago

Ok, I’m going to agree w/ Factfinder on one thing xD I find the phrase “blow me” extremely problematic too. :

I’m sorry, Ami. I intended the remark as a brief part of a string of abusive comments directed at FactFinder after he patronized Holly. I didn’t know that that’s the one he would fixate on, “jokingly” insulting me (and probably hoping that he would split his opposition) by insinuating that I’m advocating “corrective rape”. If you want the line removed, it’s OK for David to get rid of it.

Magical Laura (@_magical_laura)

*nod* I don’t like it either… I find phrases to that effect v. triggering, thank you for being understanding VoiP.

Raoul
Raoul
10 years ago

@Lyn, 8/9: Thank you for clarifying. One must do the assigned reading to understand the day’s lesson.

Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

Haha, I missed this: Now sit down and shut up so you don’t embarrass yourself again. Good girl.

It’s amazing how someone can say this WHILE TRYING TO ARGUE HE ISN’T SEXIST.

I’d understand (hate it, but understand) if MRAs would say “we’re misogynist because women suck and misogyny is awesome!” But instead they have this vague awareness that misogyny is supposed to be a bad thing, so they end up saying “we’re not misogynist… also, women suck!”

Also, Farrell has problems besides incest:

Nobody really believes in equality anyway. For example, if we really believed in equality we’d be paying about two to three times as much for each house as we pay. Because if we really believed in equality of outcome we would say that fifty percent of the people building our homes have to be women. You know what it would take cost-wise to get a woman to sacrifice her life to the degree that construction workers do? There are construction workers killed every single workday hour in the United States. It would take much more excruciating safety standards. Rafters would practically be in glass so the women couldn’t get hurt. We would have to pay women so much more for the rest of their life that the cost of housing would soar. And we probably would pay almost twice as much for housing as we currently do, especially for the building of skyscrapers.

That’s straight from his current website, and it’s complete “women don’t do real work” bullshit. (It’s also stealth-misandrist in that he seems to think it’s okay if male construction workers get killed. At least it keeps costs down!)

Pecunium
10 years ago

Factfinder is trying to say that the interview isn’t well sourced? That Farrell’s words aren’t his words (of which he contests all of one, as a mishearing of genital for gentle).

Words on tape, and transcribed aren’t good enough.

It seems not so much fact, as agenda driven.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
10 years ago

Pecunium, this is random and easily a day late but I wasn’t offering the Big Apple a back-handed compliment. I really do love it I loved living there, visit it often, and have always found it to be full of some of the friendliest people I’ve ever known. No matter it’s reputation for surly rudeness. It breathes. You run into adventures all the time. And I have no doubt that if the woman changing her tire had asked for help someone would have done so.

At the risk of stereotyping New Yorkers, they don’t suffer fools and they can be incredibly blunt. But, man, is that city a good time. I hope you love it.

In examples of the oddly prescient, I nearly ran into a deer while driving home last night. It darted out into the street and I thought, “Damn! Now I have to floor it into this deer.” Fortunately, it was a city deer and it didn’t get caught in the headlights but ran back into the neighbor’s yard.

Pecunium
10 years ago

Nobinayamu: I’ve pretty much loved most places I’ve chosen to live (some of the places I’ve been sent by the army weren’t quite so pleasant).

The first visit I made here, a year ago, it reminded me, in a surprising number of ways of a mix of LA and SF. I’ve got time to keep exploring, but yeah, it breathes.

darksidecat
10 years ago

The creepiest thing about Farrell’s incest drivel is that he is clearly talking about child molestation. There could possibly more nuanced and complex discussions about consensual adult incest, but Farrell isn’t talking about that, he’s talking about molesting kids.

Friedrich
Friedrich
10 years ago

Dear Man Boobz, I’m afraid to tell you no longer have any fairness or sense of equality in this neo-feminist bullshit.

Of course most of the articles from other websites you post are indeed harmful and unfair, but what came to my attention is the fact that everything this damn place did so far was to hit on those articles.

Although, when in rare occasions something indeed correct appears and you simply can’t accept it, I am afraid all I and many other people see is just some neo-feminist puppet trying to be a smartass, like in here. When did he say those women SHOULD BE RAPED? All he said is that if women want dress dirty they will have dirt in their ears, that’s all.

In no way this is any kind of harassment, quite the contrary, those women ARE THE REAL HARASSERS, rewarding future generations of little girls to act like sluts and be proud of that and stimulating young boys to pursue those so called “Femme Fatale”,”Independent” women, hot chicks, “heroic” ladies or even “Right” Marshals, whatever you want.

They are nothing BUT AMERISKANKS.

Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

Friedrich – One question. Just one.

What exactly is “dressing like a slut?”

I have to know this exactly if I am to avoid being a harasser and getting the punishment I deserve.

Like, shorts. Are shorts cool? Is there a particular length? Does it depend on my build? Depend on the weather? Depend on the fabric?

If everything is my fault for dressing like an Ameriskank, I want a goddamn diagram of how to not be an Ameriskank.

Pecunium
10 years ago

Friedrich… [citation needed]

Rutee
Rutee
10 years ago

The guy we’re mocking is our puppet? Really?

“When did he say those women SHOULD BE RAPED? All he said is that if women want dress dirty they will have dirt in their ears, that’s all.””
Treating it as natural law, as the correct consequence to her actions, is in fact saying women should be raped. Like you’re doing now

theindigolemon
theindigolemon
10 years ago

Actually, Holly, I have some more questions. Where do you get off blaming other people for your own sexual frustration? Since when it harassment to wear certain articles of clothing? Does it matter if you totally ignore the objects of your harassment?

Further, what about all those sexy gay men I see on the streets of New York in their cute little v-necks and rolled-up shorts? God, it’s like they’re proud of the fact that everyone can see their tight, smooth chests, and not one of them has any intention of fucking me. It’s unjust. I mean, it’s not like they deserve to be violated, but, I mean, it’s biology, right? What do they expect a red-blooded woman like myself to do? They can’t just walk around the streets of New York like goddamn Ameriskanks and expect there to be no consequences for the way that they dress.

And what about that hot, straight German tennis player who lived next door to me freshman year of college? How dare he wear those little pajamas and then refuse to fuck me? Maybe I won’t blame myself for being an asshole, but him for being, shall we call it, a German-o-skank? You’re right, everything is everyone else’s fault.

I know it’s been said before, but it can’t be said enough. Women have sexual needs and desires too, desires that are often frustrated. But women don’t tend to call it harassment when men ignore them.

Pecunium
10 years ago

theindigolemon: I believe the correct term is, “Deutcheskank”.

Slutwalk is sad
Slutwalk is sad
9 years ago

As a stranger rape survivor I really hate slutwalk. The woman who started this absurd movement has never been raped and reacted to the story on the news, in her own words, because she “slept with a lot of people in high school” and was called a slut for it.

This is the equivalent of someone being mildly injured playing paintball and then deciding they have the right to lead a global march for war veterans.

RAPE IS A VIOLENT CRIME NOT A FEMINIST CAUSE.

Many conservative women, men and others who want nothing to do with feminism are raped, and we do not appreciate having our tragedy exploited by sex-positive feminists. Slutwalk is sick and is an additional injustice to rape survivors. WE ARE SURVIVORS NOT SLUTS!

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