Oh dear. The Spearheaders are talking about the Slutwalks again. The discussion may be the worst on the subject that I have run across so far. Some of the lowlights:
Keyster seems downright pissed that women actually have the right to say no:
They’re high functioning children with sexual power and they don’t want you to forget it. They’re outraged that just because a young woman dresses and acts in a sexually provocative manner, that she might receive unwanted attention from young men that don’t appeal to her.
She should be able to dress like a street whore and abuse alcohol to the point of delerium and they feel compelled to lecture us on how that doesn’t mean this is an advertisment to be sexually harrassed, sexually assaulted or heaven forbid raped. …
They want the “RIGHT” to dress as sexually provocative as they want to without being constantly annoyed by lowly beta males. They’d prefer you not “sexually victimize” them, unless you’re hot and they’re into you, then it’s totally OK. …
Remember this: She didn’t bother to get dressed up for the likes of YOU. Her hope was a worthy athelete or Hollywood star might notice her and talk to her; not some weak, pathetic loser …
“We’ve got the sexual power, the power of consent, the gate keeper of the holy vaginal crevice. See our bouncing propped up cleavage, our long legs and glorious ass protruding from those heels? You want it don’t you?
….ha, ha, ha…you can’t have it because I SAY SO! Because I have THIS power over you, lowly little man. Bow down to me and beg me a little, I might even let the others see me talking to you, without calling the cops.” …
This isn’t feminism, it’s flaunting female sexual power in the faces of men.
You’re seriously complaining that woman have the “power of consent!?” EVERYONE has the power of consent. No one male or female is obliged to have sex with anyone they don’t want to. That’s, you know, rape. It bothers you that women are the “the gate keeper[s] of the holy vaginal crevice?” Who the fuck else should be the gatekeeper of a person’s vagina other than the person whose vagina it is? The mind reels. But apparently the 50+ upvoters of this piece of abhorrent nonsense aren’t bothered by any of this.
Demirogue, meanwhile, suggests we need to better discipline our women:
While perusing FB last week I came across the newest deviation of this mentality which is going topless. … And they want to cry about rape? They need to cry but only because people said enough is enough and started to belt them on their asses.
Women need to be controlled and on a very, very short leash. They’ve been given every right, every option, every opportunity to be something and what do they do with it? Abuse and manipulate it with reckless abandonment and incessant demands.
Geography Bee Finalist himself thinks the slutwalkers must be retarded:
I wouldn’t worry too much about these Slutwalk sows.
They have no redeeming features. None.
They cannot figure out that if you dress like a whore, you deserve to be treated in a disrespectful manner. Even conservatively dressed mentally retarded women can figure this out and conduct themselves with more propriety and intelligence than these Slutwalkers … .
Knuckledragger blames it on those damned suffragettes:
…we let ‘em drive, we let ‘em vote, and this is what we get.
Ridiculous to even offer attention to another excuse to dress like a whore, goof off in public, and not bring me a beer.
Any man worth his salt should fire any skank who was “sick” from work to attend this nonsense.
SingleDad seems to think that all accusations of rape are made up:
Rape is now the extra tax women charge men if some how their unsatisfied with whatever arrangement was made before or after any encounter in or outside of marriage.
Other lowlights:
Poiuyt agreeing with Anders Breivik’s “observations surrounding this femaleist pandemic,” while adding that he “is to be rebuked for taking the wrong cureative actions to solve it.”
Demirogue (in a second comment) complaining that “overvalued pussy is all [women today] have to offer and only to certain men.”
Anonymous age 69 explaining that “rape laws were intended to protect women of good character, from being sexually violated,” not “to protect promiscuous sluts .”
And more, much, much more. Many of the worst (including most of those quoted here) have many dozens of upvotes. Go read the thread yourself, if you think you can stomach it.
There are no arguments to rebut here; I can only repeat the basic message that the slutwalks are trying to convey: no one deserves to be raped, no matter what they are wearing or how much consensual sex they engage in. Even if they show some cleavage or prefer athletes and/or rocks stars to so-called beta males.
NWOslave – The reason we don’t have more “men’s only” charities is the same reason we don’t have “whites only” establishments, “native speakers of English only” classes, or “rich people only” welfare.
Social justice is not in the business of uplifting the uplifted.
NWO, prove that Pepsi refused to hire you and hired an unqualified woman because of the state.
And I’ve personally worked in development for organizations that benefit men and boys exclusively.
*throws a fit about nothing being ‘whites only’*
Obviously, groups that work exclusively with men than women, but if there were more groups designed to help only women then only men, would anyone here really be surprised or outraged. I mean, it just seems like common sense, for all the reasons holly already said.
d’oh. lets try that again, but coherent this time-
Obviously, groups that work exclusively with men exist, but if there were more groups designed to help only women than only men, would anyone here really be surprised or outraged. I mean, it just seems like common sense, for all the reasons holly already said.
I’m fairly certain NWOslave is pissed off about the lack of white-only spaces.
Hey, NWOslave, do you think feminists are merely misguided pawns being manipulated by the New World Order, or are feminists active, conscious agents?
I’m wondering what my level of guilt is.
I’m a privileged princess who laughs in the faces of lowly men 😀
NWO didn’t get a job he wanted and it’s all women’s fault. This is the premise of his whole argument. I didn’t get a job that I wanted once. A woman got it. I guess he’s right. Even though I’m a woman.
Women stink /sarcasm
@spearhafoc- also, how come those people can say the n-word, but if he said it hed go to prison
@Holly Pervocracy
“NWOslave – The reason we don’t have more “men’s only” charities is the same reason we don’t have “whites only” establishments, “native speakers of English only” classes, or “rich people only” welfare.”
Ahh I see, so even though there are more unemployed men than women in the US, it’s of no consequence. Even though more women obtain college degrees than men, it’s doesn’t really matter. Even though there are an equal number of impoverished men as women, women deserve help. Even though men and women suffer equally from starvation women suffer disproportionally.
Or will the excuse always be but men hold 65% of the top money/political slots.
Let me make this clear once and for all. The extremely few men the top does not in any way shape or form translate to the general population of men. The 1 in 10,000 men at the top is the gauge which all of feminism measures the plight of women. Guess what precious? The general population of men are doing much worse across the board in health, education, employment, charities, Fucking everything compared to women yet all monies/resources goes to women.
So when you cry about how theres more men at the top, well look down precious. Thats where the other 9,999 men reside. So cry away for more laws, charities and womens only clubs that tread all over the men at the bottom so the fair share of women can reside at the top.
Ahh I see, so even though there are more unemployed men than women in the US, it’s of no consequence. Even though more women obtain college degrees than men, it’s doesn’t really matter. Even though there are an equal number of impoverished men as women, women deserve help. Even though men and women suffer equally from starvation women suffer disproportionally.
Ah, but you see, NWO, these are pretty much all LIES.
I can’t really account for imaginary statistics.
(I also can’t account for your wild veering between “men and women deserve perfect equality, and they’ve got it, so don’t favor women” and “men deserve more than women, and they’re oppressed, so don’t favor women.”)
NWO, I’m almost tempted to tell you in what areas we have some common ground.
Only “almost” though.
The truth is that when it comes to things like hunger, poverty, lack of educational opportunity, incarceration rates, etc., you pretend to be outraged at the plight of men as a whole. In general, however, you exhibit no understanding and no interest -outside of feminist persecution- for how things like incarceration disparity work, and what additional factors contribute to unequal opportunities and gains in education, health care. You certainly fail to consider minority men in any real or consistent fashion. You’ll mention prison and the pussy pass when it suits your rant. But you never talk about the ways that minority men are disproportionately affected by fucked up sentencing laws. Because you don’t care. And that’s just one example.
It isn’t that you don’t, kind of, sort of, almost, have a point. Not entirely.
It’s that you view everything -not to mention your entire life and all your failures- that is critical and deserves serious analysis and serious ideas for improvement, through the lens of your persecution complex.
“Women got the right to vote and now everything’s wrong!” is so silly and reductive and not at all indicative of someone whose ideas I can take seriously. Even if you do sort of, kind of, almost understand, that life is hard for a lot of people.
@NWO:
Alright, I need citations for this, because this is driving me nuts. I’ve been searching for wealth in the US divided by quintile and by gender. This should tell you how much wealth men in the lowest quintile and women in the lowest quintile are worth. But I can’t find the statistics from a reputable source! I can only get “family” or “home” income divided by quintile, and total income by gender.
Where are your sources for your claim that a small number of men are rich, and a large number of men are poor? Cause I just don’t see it.
@Holly Pervocracy
Why do you consistantly lie? Is feminism nothing but lie upon lie?
Have you ever seen a womans/ womans and children only hospital? Are you telling me you don’t know the lions share of health money is devoted to women even though men die disproportionally from every major killer disease save breast cancer? Are you telling me you don’t know men die 6/7 years earlier? Do you think thats normal? Just oh well thats how it’s supposed to be?
Are you telling me you don’t know women recieve the majority of college degrees while the vast majority of State/corporate/UN/charity monies are still spent on women?
I mean I could go on but why bother.
@Sharculese
“Obviously, groups that work exclusively with men exist, but if there were more groups designed to help only women than only men, would anyone here really be surprised or outraged. I mean, it just seems like common sense, for all the reasons holly already said.”
You see, it’s common sense. Women deserve more even when the general population of women already get more. Why? All because theres more men at the very tippytop. The 9,999 men at the bottom are just gonna love you.
Have you ever seen a womans/ womans and children only hospital?
Actually, no, but I’ve seen various non-hospital health centers that were.
The thing is, they were for women and children, not for not-men. Do you get the subtle difference here? No health centers open to men were closed when those centers opened.
Are you telling me you don’t know men die 6/7 years earlier? Do you think thats normal? Just oh well thats how it’s supposed to be?
Actually, yeah. It’s the same (or worse) in almost every culture except those that are so sexist that women are being murdered or deprived of basic needs to the point of dying young.
Are you telling me you don’t know women receive the majority of college degrees while the vast majority of State/corporate/UN/charity monies are still spent on women?
It’s not the SAME women.
The fact that women need more charity is hardly proof of our dominance. If someone needs state/UN support just to eat, she’s not exactly living a life of privilege. (This is also skewed by the fact that more women are primary caretakers for kids.)
@Nobinayamu
“But you never talk about the ways that minority men are disproportionately affected by fucked up sentencing laws. Because you don’t care. And that’s just one example.”
A feeble attempt at trying to make me out as a racist. You forget, I grew up in the ghetto. I had very few white friends growing up. I can say with supreme confidence that black men hate feminists with a passion after experiencing what feminism has wrought amongst the black community.
You’re pathetic.
I thought they wouldn’t hire you because you spend 12 hours a day on-line arguing on blogs.
Who is going to be paid what fraction of your wage?
Oblivious troll is oblivious.
“Where are your sources for your claim that a small number of men are rich, and a large number of men are poor? Cause I just don’t see it.”
I don’t read his mentally deranged rants. Is that really the only claim he made there? Because if you just want substantiation for the claim that only very small numbers of people, in an absolute sense, are rich, that’s, well, the basis for arguments against our current distribution of wealth.
If you want substantiation on his claim that women in general make more money than men after you remove the mega-wealthy, well, good luck with THAT, because it’s not true XD
NWO, women require significant healthcare costs because we have babies. Having babies is expensive. There are a lot of poor women who only go to the hospital when they are pregnant or having a baby. It isn’t a conspiracy. It’s a fact of biology.
Now, prove to me that men lived longer than women, prior to 1970. Once again, it’s not that the issue of life expectancy isn’t worth addressing. It’s just that your idea of analysis is “Women can vote! And… they get all the money!”
I’m also wondering what someone like you, who described science and medicine as “frauds”, could possibly care about money for medicine, research, hospitals, etc. You don’t even think these things are necessary.
@Holly Pervocracy
Gee have you read about poverty? Must sound icky, huh?
Oh and the reason women in those poor countries are what vile feminists call primary caretakers in order to make it sound as if women suffer disproportionally, is because the men are trying to scrounge up wealth and food to feed the, “primary caretaker” and their children. What the fuck do you think the men are doing in those poor countries?
Why not show me the worst example of the shitties men in one of those poor countries. That way you can say, “see look how bad those men are!” Guess what precious, they’re suffering just as much.
NWO, you’re so fucking stupid. I didn’t call you a racist. I very rarely call anyone a racist; most people’s bigotry doesn’t rise to the level of racism. And when have I ever, insinuated, something about a poster with whom I disagreed? If I wanted to call you a racist, I would’ve done so, directly and to your face.
I pointed out -and your emotional reaction indicates that I struck a nerve- that one of the reasons that I cannot engage you in serious discussions about men’s issues is because it is abundantly clear that you aren’t interested in examining those issues seriously. The fact that you never address issues that disproportionately affect minority men is but one example of the way that you don’t take men’s issues seriously.
But you want to pout and kick a chair because you think I called you a racist and you grew up around Black people 40 years ago so you know you’re not. Well, you’re right. You’re not a racist. You lack power. But you’re a bigot, who wants to include poor men and minority men in groups of statistics and examples of inequality when you think it will make your point.
Otherwise, you forget all about them and you’re happy to just represent as an ordinary, middle class, White guy who thinks everything that he doesn’t have, someone else stole.
NWO, of all the dumb things you’ve said, this has got to be Top 5:
“Communism/Socialism/Marxism is about A scant few people at the top controlling all the wealth as opposed to true capitalism which rewards merit and the wealth is spread thruout the people.”
Are you fucking for real?
Oh and the reason women in those poor countries are what vile feminists call primary caretakers in order to make it sound as if women suffer disproportionally, is because the men are trying to scrounge up wealth and food to feed the, “primary caretaker” and their children. What the fuck do you think the men are doing in those poor countries?
If the family is living together, then aid to the family helps everyone. If Dad lives at home, then when Mom gets food aid, obviously he’s going to eat it too.
If Dad doesn’t live at home, odds are very good that he only has to feed himself, and thus requires less money and food than Mom+kids.
Ooh, he has lots of black friends, everybody! That’s proof he’s not a racist!
@Rutee:
I was unclear. He argues that the reason men appear to make more than women is because the top .1% of men make shit-tons of money and the 99.9% of the rest are… something… He’s making a claim about the distribution of wealth over various quintiles of men, essentially saying that the top quintile of men most of the money, whereas for women the quintiles are distributed more fairly. Something like that.
But yeah, not seeing that evidence anywhere. Men hold more of the wealth over all, and the top quintile of the US holds a hugely disproportionate 80% (by some estimates). He hasn’t yet substantiated his claim that if you knock out the top quintile, you’ll be left with women earning more than men, and most men sharing very little of the total wealth held by men.
*sigh*
I can’t get no… satisfaction… I can’t get no… satisfaction…