Oh dear. The Spearheaders are talking about the Slutwalks again. The discussion may be the worst on the subject that I have run across so far. Some of the lowlights:
Keyster seems downright pissed that women actually have the right to say no:
They’re high functioning children with sexual power and they don’t want you to forget it. They’re outraged that just because a young woman dresses and acts in a sexually provocative manner, that she might receive unwanted attention from young men that don’t appeal to her.
She should be able to dress like a street whore and abuse alcohol to the point of delerium and they feel compelled to lecture us on how that doesn’t mean this is an advertisment to be sexually harrassed, sexually assaulted or heaven forbid raped. …
They want the “RIGHT” to dress as sexually provocative as they want to without being constantly annoyed by lowly beta males. They’d prefer you not “sexually victimize” them, unless you’re hot and they’re into you, then it’s totally OK. …
Remember this: She didn’t bother to get dressed up for the likes of YOU. Her hope was a worthy athelete or Hollywood star might notice her and talk to her; not some weak, pathetic loser …
“We’ve got the sexual power, the power of consent, the gate keeper of the holy vaginal crevice. See our bouncing propped up cleavage, our long legs and glorious ass protruding from those heels? You want it don’t you?
….ha, ha, ha…you can’t have it because I SAY SO! Because I have THIS power over you, lowly little man. Bow down to me and beg me a little, I might even let the others see me talking to you, without calling the cops.” …
This isn’t feminism, it’s flaunting female sexual power in the faces of men.
You’re seriously complaining that woman have the “power of consent!?” EVERYONE has the power of consent. No one male or female is obliged to have sex with anyone they don’t want to. That’s, you know, rape. It bothers you that women are the “the gate keeper[s] of the holy vaginal crevice?” Who the fuck else should be the gatekeeper of a person’s vagina other than the person whose vagina it is? The mind reels. But apparently the 50+ upvoters of this piece of abhorrent nonsense aren’t bothered by any of this.
Demirogue, meanwhile, suggests we need to better discipline our women:
While perusing FB last week I came across the newest deviation of this mentality which is going topless. … And they want to cry about rape? They need to cry but only because people said enough is enough and started to belt them on their asses.
Women need to be controlled and on a very, very short leash. They’ve been given every right, every option, every opportunity to be something and what do they do with it? Abuse and manipulate it with reckless abandonment and incessant demands.
Geography Bee Finalist himself thinks the slutwalkers must be retarded:
I wouldn’t worry too much about these Slutwalk sows.
They have no redeeming features. None.
They cannot figure out that if you dress like a whore, you deserve to be treated in a disrespectful manner. Even conservatively dressed mentally retarded women can figure this out and conduct themselves with more propriety and intelligence than these Slutwalkers … .
Knuckledragger blames it on those damned suffragettes:
…we let ‘em drive, we let ‘em vote, and this is what we get.
Ridiculous to even offer attention to another excuse to dress like a whore, goof off in public, and not bring me a beer.
Any man worth his salt should fire any skank who was “sick” from work to attend this nonsense.
SingleDad seems to think that all accusations of rape are made up:
Rape is now the extra tax women charge men if some how their unsatisfied with whatever arrangement was made before or after any encounter in or outside of marriage.
Other lowlights:
Poiuyt agreeing with Anders Breivik’s “observations surrounding this femaleist pandemic,” while adding that he “is to be rebuked for taking the wrong cureative actions to solve it.”
Demirogue (in a second comment) complaining that “overvalued pussy is all [women today] have to offer and only to certain men.”
Anonymous age 69 explaining that “rape laws were intended to protect women of good character, from being sexually violated,” not “to protect promiscuous sluts .”
And more, much, much more. Many of the worst (including most of those quoted here) have many dozens of upvotes. Go read the thread yourself, if you think you can stomach it.
There are no arguments to rebut here; I can only repeat the basic message that the slutwalks are trying to convey: no one deserves to be raped, no matter what they are wearing or how much consensual sex they engage in. Even if they show some cleavage or prefer athletes and/or rocks stars to so-called beta males.
Captain*
Spelling.
Elizabeth: I do like. Especially the ruffles on the bottom of the jacket and skirt.
I’ll have to wait a few weeks before I join chat stuff. It’s hard enough typing this way without it being a real-time conversation.
I’m in BC with relatives at the moment, without access to a normal computer. I’m typing this on my Dad’s Blackberry Tablet, which I haven’t gotten used to.
Captain Bathrobe wins the comment thread.
I told you so. 🙂
Okay but when you go home…join us…join us…join us…
You missed the awesome fashion show I put on.
Oh, and by the way I WIN THIS THREAD! ME! BECAUSE I SAY SO!
There used to be a troll at Sadly, No who used to always claim to be a CIA agent with a supermodel wife. had no idea that was YOU, Captain.
@David:
“I can only repeat the basic message that the slutwalks are trying to convey: no one deserves to be raped, no matter what they are wearing or how much consensual sex they engage in. Even if they show some cleavage or prefer athletes and/or rocks stars to so-called beta males.”
Not that I think anyone deserves to be sexually assaulted. Or even harassed. But what, exactly, is gained by shoving traditional masculinity in guys’ faces yet again? If I don’t feel I should have to defer to manlier men when the ladies come along, am I suddenly an MRA?
I just watched a video on you tube on Slutwalk in Canada. Apparently, the movement began in response to a Police officer in Toronto,Ontario making a comment that implied that women who get sexually harassed are sort of “asking for it”. The Police officer made a comment that suggested that women should dress conservative to avoid any problems.This angered a lot of feminists in Toronto and hence the slutwalk. I saw the video of the slutwalk held in Canada and it seemed pretty tame. A lot of women were carrying picket sings in the streets. Many were dressed sex and looked beautiful. It sort of looked like a parade if you did not know it was a protest. It’s helpful to see footage as opposed to reading about it.
“it sort of looked like a parade” – what were you expecting? Burning police cars?
“That’s what rly matters. It’s easy to say you’ll die to fight rape, will you live to fight rape?”
<3 Ami! I will. Especially after reading that 🙂
@Raoul: "If I don’t feel I should have to defer to manlier men when the ladies come along, am I suddenly an MRA?"
Um, what? What does that even mean?
@Samuel also it was kinda cold that day xD To clarify, the officer said if you don’t want to get raped, women should “avoid dressing like sluts”, so it wasn’t just “dress conservatively” xD Hence the name of the walk! 😀 And yus, it was a protest march, and the media were cherry picking outfits that they wanted to splash on the news pages :3
I saw the video of the slutwalk held in Canada and it seemed pretty tame. A lot of women were carrying picket sings in the streets.
Yep, sluts (and feminists in general) can be surprisingly boring in the wild. ;p
Hi David. I just wanted to say that your prize pig, “The Liz Library,” neglects to mention at the aforementioned link that the charges against one Mr. Dean Tong were dropped and the records sealed. Here is the link, though “Family Rights Expert Avoids Trial” does seem a bit feminist. It conveys the fact, though… libel can be quite pricy. Pricy, pricy indeed.
That being said, I was wondering if you had something more reliable than a Penthouse Article by a writer of questionable morality and a screaming, red-eyed feminist’s commentary to go on. After all, if the Daily Mail is not fair game, a 70s penthouse article sure isn’t. I thought feminists hated “double-standards.”
And no, the unwillingness to press a 25+ year old libel charge does not equate to guilt. Unlike a rape accusation in feminist eyes, the man is not guilty until proven innocent. Have a nice day.
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@Nobby – I find that he says that he does not have to get a woman’s permission to talk to her or ask her out, so long as he does it in a respectful manner. Even if he’s not the fittest or the richest man on the block, that does not mean he is forced to defer to other, “sexier” men. It’s not harassment to talk to one woman or a thousand consecutive women in a polite way, no matter what some of those women may assume his intentions are. It’s their thoughts and their damage, not his.
See, that wasn’t so hard, was it? To say we’re not on the same page as you would be understating it a bit – it’s more like Teen Romance books versus Engineering Certification guides. But when your life is a series of handouts from men and the government, you tend to miss things. Is it any wonder a feminist family earns less? Of course, egalitarian tends to mean “men being a doormat for women,” so it’s not really a wonder the woman scrapes up $1.5k (perhaps through threats of lawsuits?) while the men shrivel down $8.5k in lost productivity. But I digress…
You are welcome for the clarification and have a blessed day.
@FactFinder You sure have a funny name given the things you say.
What world do you live in where life is a series of handouts? Is it the traditional feminist family one where the pay gap between husband and wife is virtually nil and both contribute, or is it the one where the husband earns more but spends a large chunk of that to support his wife?
Feminism is bad, right? Are you sure?
@Factfinder, so your interpretation from the article on the study is…? xD (i.e. what do you believe the study says the reasons for this discrepancy is? :3)
Also I would read the end of the article about the study again xD
The researchers believe their results show that the gender pay gap is not just an economic phenomenon. “Psychology has an important role to play, too,” said Judge. “Our country’s policies have been leaning toward gender equality for decades now. But, according to our study, traditional gender role views continue to work against this goal.”
I’m curious, what do you believe that last paragraph means? :3
@FactFinder You sure have a funny name given the things you say.
With feminists, intellectual insults like “stupid” or “illogical” translate into “I don’t agree with what you say but I am not smart enough to write a decent rebuttal.” Moving down…
Is it the traditional feminist family one where the pay gap between husband and wife is virtually nil and both contribute, or is it the one where the husband earns more but spends a large chunk of that to support his wife?
Why would he spend a large chunk of his income to support his wife? Just because a man doesn’t make himself a doormat to the women in his life does not mean he’s spending all his money on jewelry and hummers – in fact, quite the contrary.
I’m curious, what do you believe that last paragraph means?
A cop-out. Psychological and sociological academics are petrified of feminists. They always add a disclaimer to any study which would seem to disagree with feminist dogma, with a few courageous exceptions.
Oh… so they’re lying b/c feminists are threatening them? xD
What are we threatening them w/? o_O
What power do you believe “feminists” have? :3 How do we exercise this powers and what mechanisms do we use to destroy these scientists?
So how can we trust anything they say? Why would we allow them to publish this study at all? How do you know which parts you can trust? xD
If I wanted a study removed, how would I go about doing it? You seem to know this feminist conspiracy thing better than me 😀
@FF In my case, it translates to “you call yourself FactFinder yet much of what you say seems to be not based in facts”. Like the bit about how life is a series of handouts. Waiting for evidence of that one.
And I believe (correct me if I’m wrong) that the survey you posted above was based on married couples, and that the traditional ones were the ones you thought were good because the man gets a whole $8500 more income than feminist men do. My understanding of traditional values is that the man is the main breadwinner and supporter of the family. It doesn’t take a mental giant to figure that if you’re the supporter of the family, you’re spending a sizeable chunk of your income on, you know, supporting your family. Supporting usually means keeping a roof over their heads, making sure they’re fed and clothed.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to get at here – if a man is a feminist and his wife also contributes, he has more discretionary income through paying less of the living costs, but that’s bad. If a man is traditional, he has more actual income but spends more paying mortgages and such, but that’s good because he’s not a doormat. That about right, or am I missing something?
I must say, I was amused to see, on the same page as Factfinder’s “earnings” article, this one: Narcissistic Heterosexual Men Target Their Hostility Primarily at Heterosexual Women, the Objects of Their Desires, Study Finds.
BTW, Erin Pizzey is not an academic.
Oh, and who thinks Karen O is unattractive? Weird.
The actual message of the slutwalks: “Women should never, ever be told what to do, even for their own good. Men, however, need to be told to shut the fuck up.” The slutwalks are anti-free speech.
The slutwalks are anti-free speech.
Well, no. Actually the slutwalks are anti-violence.
(Sorry about the strange Karen O comment; that should’ve gone in the “Is She Really Going Out with Him?” thread. Tired brain that really should be aslee…)
@Thing Are Bad
How are men being refused the right to free speech? You just spoke up now…. what is being done to restrain your right to speech? o_O If you wrote a blog about this, what would happen? xD
You can tell me to do whatever you want, but I don’t have to listen to it xD What would you like to change about that? o_O
Wow, it’s the same shit as usual here, I see… lol
Things Are Bad: STFU. XD