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MGTOW manifesto blasts “woman uprising” that turned regular “c**ts” into fat “c**ts”

Every MGTOW's most cherished fantasy
Every MGTOW’s most cherished fantasy

Ah, the good old days, when me were men and women were c**ts!

You know, just regular c**ts, not the pampered, stuck-up, fat c**ts of today.

Such is the argument of an unusually spirited, if sometimes incoherent, mini-manifesto winning plaudits from the regulars in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit today.

In a post titled “Women/society made us think we were losers,” a proud MGTOW warrior calling himself shogunronin looks back with nostalgia on what he sees as the golden age of the nineties.

As a man who was gifted with growing up in the nineties, I experienced a time when women were c**ts but not as egotistical, a time where political correctness only was conjured in parliamentary buildings.

Ah, the nineties, “a time where SJWs were too busy listening to Korn or Marliyn Manson” to cause much trouble and when “fat women [weren’t] trying so hard to raise their sexual market value above men.” (Or at least above the sort of men who post angry manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.)

How far we have fallen! In the nightmare world of today, some of these fatties actually have the gall to think of themselves as valuable human beings who deserve respect from others.

Now, we live in the times of self-made female celebrities, single mother culture, the media who language shames anyone who speaks the truth, down to the gagging of conservative thinkers on popular social media platforms, fat shaming and it’s reactionaries,

Er, in case you had trouble diagramming that last sentence, I think that bit at the end means he’s mad anyone complains about fat-shaming.

He continues, making up words as he goes:

And lastly, the detasteful rise of Feminism and their eternal hatred for anything with a dick. As a result of the army of manginas, white knights, beta-facebook pleasers, man-begging on dating platforms, women now are in control of the dating market and are free to act how they wish.

Imagine, women — some of them fatties! — actually having the gall to reject good and decent, if maybe just a teensy bit misogynistic, men like shogunronin!

They are free to treat a man like crap because 50 others are queing up on her social media account. Some women are even calling themselves celebrities as 5,000 manginas cheerlead her on Twitter in the hopes of one day bagging those golden vagina lips that could never do anything wrong.

You may wonder what exactly shogunronin thinks vagina lips are doing wrong. Robbing banks? Writing bad checks? Going to see Lady Ghostbusters?

Shogunronin does not specify. He is apparently more angry at the owners of these “golden vagina lips” for refusing him and other perfectly decent woman-hating men access to said lips.

I believe MGTOW is a reaction to the woman uprising. Men who are sick and tired of female priviledge in both society and the court room. If you noticed, MGTOW on the internet had risen just about the same time that online dating went mainstream. It is a F**K YOU to all women who think they’re above men. We are going our own way, bye hunny.

But shogunronin isn’t just angry at women and the manginas who love them too much. He’s also mad at pickup artists for suggesting that the value of men is determined in large part by the hotness of the hot babes they date (or date rape).

Yes, that’s right. There’s actually a portion of his manifesto that sort of has a point.

As a man in my early twenties, I was indoctrinated into the PUA cult. I was led to believe that if i couldn’t attract a woman than I was a failure with women which equaled a failure at life. It was only after reaching my later twenties that I began to realise how dangerous this mindset can be.

Alas, after this brief moment of clarity, shogunronin is once against swallowed up by the ideological fog of MGTOWism.

Women were the only ones who benefitted from the PUA movement.

Because nothing benefits women more than having an army of aggressively creepy dudes using every psychological trick in the book to overcome “last-minute resistance” and get them into bed. (Or just plain date raping them if that don’t work)

It turned awesome men into tools. It provided women with a stream of unappreciated attention. It was full of men who went out building their entire confidence around women. I know this because we would discuss how shitty we felt when being rejected multiple times in one day and successful when we got laid. Women were constantly pressuring men to impress them, and now with the rise of social media dating, women have a eternal pool of meatheads and manginas who are thirsty.

Sorry, MGTOW dudes. Your self-esteem problems are not the fault of women who don’t want to have sex with you.

We now live in a culture that demonises men and rewards women for their shitty behaviour.

Apparently he’s very angry that women are “rewarded” for saying no to sex with men they don’t like by, er, not actually having to have sex with men they don’t like?

THE HORROR.

A fat whale now has access to the more attractive men while the average joe has to ‘brand’ himself both metaphorically and physically just to meet the outlandish standards of modern women.

How dare these “fat whales” only sleep with men they’re attracted to and who want to have sex with them!

The truth is none of us were losers because of these women,

TRUE. Your loserdom has nothing to do with these women.

the truth is women priced themselves out of the dating market.

NOT TRUE. They just said “no” to you when you came at them with your PUA bag of tricks.

Upon being MGTOW, I have been financially better off, I have been happier, I have more time to follow my passions in life other than chasing some egotistical self-made celebrity c**t.

Apparently one of these passions is posting bitter, woman-hating manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.

Life is good for me now.

I don’t … actually believe you. This manifesto is pretty obviously not the work of a man enjoying the good life.

Not surprisingly, the regulars in the MGTOW subreddit disagree with me on this point, applauding shogunronin’s mini-manifesto and responding with mini-manifestos of their own.

2045_revolution laments how exploitative the current sexual marketplace is. Exploitative of men, that is. Sure, he admits,

Men may use women as wet holes attached to a uterus, but women use men as wallets and sources of high quality genetic material. It gets demoralizing. As a man, the best you can hope for is to be a strong and healthy host for a female parasite to latch onto. When you think of guys in their expensive clothes, expensive cars, etc just advertising how filled with resources they are to parasites, it loses its appeal.

Meanwhile, 2045_revolution complains, some women he thinks aren’t so hot are trying to date men he thinks are hotter!

Internet dating and the rise of PUA culture have created a generation of crap women who think they are amazing catches. It used to be that a woman who as a 6 knew she was a 6. Now the 4s and 5s think they are 8s because of all the validation they get from thirsty men.

How dare women have the gall to try to date men they find attractive!

People can ridicule MGTOW all they want, but the exodus is really just starting. I think there will be sociological consequences. In ten years there will be tons of angry MGTOW men and bitter, used up women who got kicked off the CC. A society full of angry, bitter women (many of whom will be single mothers) who chased a hypergamous fantasy and ended up feeling used and empty handed, and lots of angry, bitter MGTOW men who felt ignored and devalued is what we are looking at. Nobody will win.

And if single mothers think they can have 2045_revolution’s “beta bucks,” well, NUH-UH!

Just as there is not an infinite supply of male 9s and 10s willing to enter committed, monogamous relationships with female 5s, 6s and 7s, there is not an infinite suppply of gainfully employed male 6s and 7s willing to clean up these women’s messes as they push 40. I say this as a BB who has had a half dozen single mothers try to use him in the last few years.

A fellow calling himself cheaperautoinsurance puts the blame on “smartphones and social media” for “basically destroy[ing] american women,” presumably because so many dudes who want to have sex with them say nice things about their selfies and sometimes send them lovely photos of their penises.

For blackierobinsun2, though, the roots of our current situation are rather more basic:

Women f**ked up America when they wanted jobs

Most of these btches going to college only work for a couple of years to end up getting pregnant and not wanting to work again, stupid whore just wasted a college degree and stole a job opportunity from a man feeding his family

Such a tragedy that blackierobinsun2 is taking himself out of the marriage market. What a lovely husband and father he could be!

Let me say it again: If you’re going your own way, fellas, just freaking GO. Lead your own life however the hell you want, as long as you’re not hurting anyone else in the process. Just stop cluttering up the internet with your ridiculous rants.

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Ktoryx
Ktoryx
5 years ago

I don’t believe anyone has any rights

OK, so men don’t have any rights to not be used for alimony by scheming women. So men don’t have any rights to a loving partner, regardless of whether or not all the ladies have gone “hypergamous”. So men don’t have any rights not to be the victim of whatever divorce fraud you have convinced yourself is a real problem.

No rights, then nothing bad or wrong has happened, so who cares and what are you doing here?

Podkayne Lives
Podkayne Lives
5 years ago

Mick Dash, whether you believe in it or not, you do have the right to remain silent, and Lord God Almighty, some of us wish you would make use of it.

Mick Dash
Mick Dash
5 years ago

“No, feminists don’t need to provide proof.”

Of course not, the organized belief system of feminism doesn’t operate purely on making claims it can prove, it operates on axioms which it assumes as articles of faith. In religion you don’t have to prove your claims, you can just proclaim them as dogmatic truisms which are just presumed by means of faith. That’s how feminism works, right? You don’t actually have to prove your sacred truths, correct?

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
5 years ago

http://s7.favim.com/orig/150712/anime-black-and-white-girl-manga-Favim.com-2946407.jpg

How many times has he jumped from one incoherent point to another while not giving even one link to back up his words? This is the equivalent of “if I spout enough bullshit the other person will be too tired to argue and go away, then I win.”

@Mick Dash

No, feminists don’t need to provide proof. Because the concept of rights isn’t a feminist concept, it’s a widely-known philosophical concept. Feel free to wander over to a philosophy blog and tell them that rights are bullshit, and ask them to provide support for them.

Blatant quotemining?
Running out of tricks are we?
Need to take a break?

masque d'étoiles
masque d'étoiles
5 years ago

I don’t believe anyone has any rights

And yet you apparently have the right to post here, because freeze peach and free association. How convenient for you!

If you truly don’t “believe in,” respect, and support (at least for yourself) the social construct that is basic human rights, I’m afraid you’re in for a solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and perhaps short, anarchic existence. My condolences. And if you believe in them for yourself, but not equally for all others, well then that defines why we’re here.

GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
5 years ago

The notion of human rights is a fundamental assumption that is required because the alternative is a world where the rule of raw violence prevails, and in that world life would be very unpleasant. Then there is the question of WHAT human rights should consist of, a debate that has gone on for millennia and will most likely continue past the foreseeable future. This is really not about evidence; some people do rely on religious teachings, but in general human rights rely on a process of reaching a consensus on what they are (and the Constitution has been an important and influential part of this process) . Messy, no doubt, but necessary.

Handsome "Punkle Stan" Jack

I don’t believe anyone has any rights, if feminists assert that such a thing as rights exist, they have the burden to present some evidence right? Or is it a dogma I’m supposed to take on faith in magic paper (without actual proof)? If so – how exactly is such an organized faith based (as opposed to evidence- based) belief system not a religion?

http://66.media.tumblr.com/08bb54161312f8e77eb92e9db457c6fe/tumblr_nu8z1pSiRK1tjnfcso1_500.gif

What is this dude, a broatheist or whatever the fuck they’re called? Like, the really dumb atheists who read shit what other broatheist have written on Reddit about religion or some shit and then spout it off trying to sound smart?

It’s not, it’s not smart. Honestly, reading this shit is giving me a headache. I can’t even properly mock it because I can’t even make the leaps over logic to whatever conclusions this fuckwad made. The only thing that comes to mind when I read this dipshit’s comments is just, like, how dumb can one person be, are you having trouble breathing while you’re typing because you lack the brainpower needed for your hippocampus and higher brain functions to work at the same time?

This is maddening, it is so maddening to not be able to properly mock this motherfucker because there’s such a lack of logic in every one of this guy’s statements. The only thing I can do is just type “you’re a dumbass” over and over again.

I feel so sorry for anyone who has to interact with this asshole on a day to day basis. They need raises or, like, a gift basket or something at least. I need to send them my condolences.

Mick Dash
Mick Dash
5 years ago

I have never seen my rights, have you? Where are they right now? Oh, they only exist in your imagination, right? Do you believe in them because you have seen evidence, or because you were indoctrinated into a faith based belief system? If not but for that indoctrination, how would you ever know you even had them?

“This is really not about evidence”

Of course not, when are faith-based belief systems ever about evidence?

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
5 years ago

Read the rest of the post.

(((Chiomara)))
(((Chiomara)))
5 years ago

I don’t believe anyone has any rights, if feminists assert that such a thing as rights exist, they have the burden to present some evidence right? Or is it a dogma I’m supposed to take on faith in magic paper (without actual proof)? If so – how exactly is such an organized faith based (as opposed to evidence- based) belief system not a religion?

I can’t believe this guy is for real. This is one of the biggest cases of argumentative psychedelia I’ve ever seen.
Okay, first of all, double standard. You say “hypergamy” is a thing and say we have to prove it ISN’T. Then we say rights are a thing and we ALSO have to prove. But let’s go again.

From the moment we ceased to be wild animals and started living in society, we started having rules for the people wanting to live in such society. These rules evolved into laws. Whoever lived in such society AND respected the laws, were granted rights, which are guarantees people have depending on their condition. Laws and rights change according to what the society in question considers fair and productive at the moment, as long as it’s a democracy, of course.
So, yes, as we aren’t wild animals and we live in societies, for us, rights and laws are things. Abstract things, but things. It doesn’t matter what you personally believe in, that are concrete consequences to not following laws, which include mostly losing certain rights.
Unless you live in an territory that doesn’t belong to any country on earth, then you are not subjected to most laws and rights.

Correct me if my logic has holes, which is quite possible cause I never had to prove such an absurd thing, everyone.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
5 years ago

@Handsome Jack
I figured he was an atheist the minute he kept construing social movements to religion as to insinuate both are bad. Dang it I wanted the typical racist Atheist so we can argue on how even with the statement “I need not religion to act as my moral compass”, that still doesn’t mean you get a free pass to spout Alex Jones tier bull. But no we get the unintelligible Atheist who can’t decide which talking point to stick to.

@Mick Dash
I can’t see Argon,
I can’t feel radiowaves,
I guess they’re not real.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
5 years ago

ehh, this one’s melted down into solipsism. Boring. Done. Thanks for the entertainment Mick! But when you have to deny something as fundamental as the concept of society, you’ve defeated yourself. Next, please!

Mick Dash
Mick Dash
5 years ago

Feminists make assertions which they expect us to take on faith and then get mad and have a religious meltdown like Jack if you simply ask for proof – it is truly a religion – they do not see any burden of proof for their “theories” – you cannot properly even refer to them as hypothesis – more like “mythology” would be a better term

(((Chiomara)))

I never said I believe in hypergamy, I merely suggested that we can test it – if the data disproves the theory then cool – I am not emotionally invested in the theory as some article of faith I must accept – if the data shows the theory to be wrong fine – it’s not a religious thing for me

Handsome "Punkle Stan" Jack

I have never seen my rights, have you? Where are they right now? Oh, they only exist in your imagination, right? Do you believe in them because you have seen evidence, or because you were indoctrinated into a faith based belief system? If not but for that indoctrination, how would you ever know you even had them?

Wait, you know, I think I get what they’re trying to say.

You see, feminism is about give women the same rights and privileges as men, right? And because men haven’t been able to do the things they consider rights–like being sexist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, whatever fuckwads–they no longer believe rights exist so no one has rights anymore, because PC culture or some bullshit.

That’s what they’re trying to say, right? Did I crack the code?

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
5 years ago

@Scildfreja

Ugh, I hate it when they think they’re being clever.

Ain’t that all the time though ? Still, congratulations of keeping your patience for so long. Living up to that name !

@Dick Mash

Nope, what I said is that you don’t understand the difference between the Constitution and the Bible. You want empirical evidence for something that doesn’t require it. There’s no magic paper involved here, just a bunch of people smarter than you who decided it’d be a good idea to write down a list of things that you are or are not allowed to do, to make sure that society runs its course.

You don’t see your rights ? That a fact ? So you don’t see the people actually enforcing your rights, trying to make sure you can go about your life without having to worry too much about someone else stealing your shit or stabbing your worthless ass ? You’re worse than I thought.

For what it’s worth, I don’t actually believe the Constitution should be held to such high esteem in american law. I believe it should be amended a few more times, refined a bit. But that doesn’t matter, in part because I’m not even American.

That’s how feminism works, right? You don’t actually have to prove your sacred truths, correct?

We’re just going around in circles now. It’s all been proven countless times, precisely because of fuckwads like yourself who keep making that sort of claim, making it necessary to prove it yet again. This is called a PRATT. Look it up.

@Everyone not called Dick Mash

This has gone on for all of five pages and four hours. I think this guy has hijacked enough of the thread and wasted enough of our time. If he doesn’t believe in rights, then he should have no problem with his freeze peach being infringed, right ? So… we email Big Chief David, or do you folks wanna play a little more with the chewtoy ?

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

I’m getting a divorce.
I was a stay at home mom. Homeschooled and the whole shebang. I was never the main breadwinner.
Guess what?
No alimony.
Know why?
We don’t really do that much anymore.
Know why?
Feminism.
The state does not see me as unemployable because I’m a woman anymore.

Barring special circumstances, all divorces in my state are no fault and custody is shared.
Know why?
Feminism.
The state no longer sees me as more capable of nurture than my ex or divorce as something with stigma that should be discouraged by the state.

(((Chiomara)))
(((Chiomara)))
5 years ago

I can’t believe I just lost time explaining to a guy that abstract things can also be THINGS, even if they are not physical. Have you ever seen anger walking around? Have you ever seen a green theory flying through your window? Have you ever stepped on a gramatic?

Diptych
Diptych
5 years ago

This has gone on for all of five pages and four hours. I think this guy has hijacked enough of the thread and wasted enough of our time. If he doesn’t believe in rights, then he should have no problem with his freeze peach being infringed, right ? So… we email Big Chief David, or do you folks wanna play a little more with the chewtoy ?

He’s thoroughly boring and has more than used up what little sympathy I had for him. I’m all for the ol’ heave-ho.

Fabe
Fabe
5 years ago

This has gone on for all of five pages and four hours. I think this guy has hijacked enough of the thread and wasted enough of our time. If he doesn’t believe in rights, then he should have no problem with his freeze peach being infringed, right ? So… we email Big Chief David, or do you folks wanna play a little more with the chewtoy ?

This troll is boring ,I say send him om his way.

Mick Dash
Mick Dash
5 years ago

I have no problem with the faith-based belief system of feminism, I respect your autonomy of belief to believe in the faith based system of belief that you admit you don’t have to prove and isn’t actually based on evidence, you just believe in magic paper dogma

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Scildfreja
I’ve been better. Dealing with a broken toe from a work related injury and I’ve been isolating from social over-stimulation and I’m trying to find ways of dealing with it. I can talk about it tomorrow. Bedtime.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
5 years ago

@Mick Dash
You come here and spout
Your nonsense and give no proof
And call us of faith.

We show you novels,
We show you old examples
Of society’s role

Arguing no rights
While talking of alimony
When you say no right.

You can’t keep a tale,
Flip flop which way from appeal
To plain old bullshit.

No consistency
And changes tunes all the time
like a broken whistle.

Actually, I’ll break my haiku here. Congratulations you have absolutely run out of shit to say for me to joke about while also ignoring everyone when they already debunked you. You even debunked yourself the minute you switched from false MRA claims of rights to saying no one has rights. Not to mention calling feminism a religion, while expecting us to accept your claims without a single link to show your proofs, then to top it off try to pass off positive things about slut walk as if that’ll wipe the slate clean. Intentionally messing around with mental constructs and rejections of the concepts of society itself while living in the US that was literally founded on those inalienable rights.

You’re doing my tactics of only answering the first comment of walls of text on YouTube. Get something new.

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

This meltdown is so pathetic it just makes me sad.

Podkayne Lives
Podkayne Lives
5 years ago

I have never seen my rights, have you? Where are they right now? Oh, they only exist in your imagination, right? Do you believe in them because you have seen evidence, or because you were indoctrinated into a faith based belief system? If not but for that indoctrination, how would you ever know you even had them?

What if we stop trying to do fourth-grade civics with you? Let’s assume that feminists are quite silly, as is the Supreme Court, and there are no rights, because they are imaginary.

Where does this lead you? If you have no rights, and I have no rights, and feminism and the Constitution alike are not real, then…why are you here, and not trying to discuss this with a group of legal experts? I mean, feminism may say that women have a right to be treated equally under the law, and you may find that a manifestation of religious faith, but surely the rot started earlier with the Bill of Rights, and all that superstitious blather. I mean, I’d hardly know where to start demanding women’s fictional rights, if people hadn’t decided that men had them first.

What do you want? The destruction of human society? An A in your philosophy class? What’s all this in aid of?

I’m going to bed.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

MD,
Are you drunk?
Seriously.
Because…Damn.

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