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Misogynist shocked that people think he has anything in common with other misogynist

MRAs are shocked, shocked that anyone might think they have anythhg in common with Roosh
MRAs are stunned that anyone might think they have anything in common with Roosh

Yesterday, I wrote about former A Voice for Men Number Two Boy Dean Esmay’s weird and hyperbolic AVFM post attacking Roosh Valizadeh, the scummy pickup artist that a previous AVFM post had described as a “deep thinker” and “a layered, tempered and earnest guy, who truly wants to help other men.”

Today I’d like to bring to your attention another, even weirder attack on Roosh that ran in AVFM alongside Esmay’s post. In “Roosh Rage,” longtime AVFM commenter Bryan Scandrett angrily denounced what he described variously as the “The Greatest Rape Hoax Ever,” “The MSM Global Rape Hoax,” and “the Great MSM Rape Hoax.”

By this he apparently means the tendency of media outlets to refer to Roosh as a Men’s Rights Activist, thus conflating the pure and innocent Men’s Rights movement with the terrible rape apologist Roosh, even though he’s not technically an MRA. (And it’s true, he’s not officially an MRA; he just shares so many of the beliefs of MRAs that last year AVFM was praising him as a deep thinker and decent dude.)

Like Esmay and presumably most other AVFMers, Scandrett assumes that journalists were wrongly calling Roosh an MRA on purpose, as part of some nefarious plot, and not because to most people outside the manosphere MRAs and PUAs look like conjoined twins.

“The MSM Global Rape Hoax was never about Roosh or PUAs or even the legalizing of rape allegation,” Scandrett asserts.

That was simply the excuse to call for proxy violence against men. While PUAs did receive some Discussion within the articles, without exception to my reading, not once did they miss calling him an MRA. Their real target. …

It is simply an attack on men, to silence their voices, to vilify and demonize Men’s Human Rights Activists with a false allegation of rape advocates.

As you can see, Scandrett is not what you’d call a particularly lucid writer.

And his post only gets weirder, with Scandrett declaring that this “call for torches and pitchforks” was really

about reasserting Mummies’ procreative abilities as the central and only thing of critical importance in our global human culture. The woman on the pedestal is a mother. The issue of her uterus is what gives her absolute protection and absolution from all crimes, her carte blanche. She has parlayed this privileged position over the centuries into power and speshul snowflake privileges. You are all attached, at a primal level, to your mothers, with few exceptions. A primary attachment. Even those who didn’t for various reasons, likely pined for her warm stereotypical comforts.

Null gravida women assume the same authority by virtue of being potential mothers. Sugar and spice becomes ‘I have the pussy, I make the rules.’

You want the sugar, you bend the knee.

Well ok then.

Scandrett continues onward with his peculiar and generally incomprehensible argument, declaring that “Feminism is a false allegation” and attacking Roosh himself for “help[ing] to tar us all with the false allegation of rapist at a global level of perception.”

Scandrett has managed to convince himself that none of Roosh’s critics are really bothered by Roosh and his toxic views; they just want an excuse to beat up on the real enemy, MRAs.

The gynarchy couldn’t give a flying toss about PUA’s. Or even any actual attempt to legalize rape should a single human in the history of humanity be stupid enough to try it. The more the boys get between the girls legs, the more babies get born and child support gets paid, the more future economic growth and taxpayers we can expect and the more money gets released to the US states.

Drunk or sober, they couldn’t give a rats. So long as the livestock keeps breeding, the Great Human Ant Colony will thrive.

Nonetheless, he warns, “[t]he lying sexist feminist pigs,” will use Roosh’s “‘thought experiment’ … as a club for as long as they draw breath.”

Scandrett leaves us with a few other bon mots as he staggers unsteadily to his conclusion, my favorite being this “sentence” here:

The selfish paradigm that boys getting their end away as central and paramount is idiotic in the face of the ocean of male suffering we confront daily.

Scandrett concludes by informing us that “Roosh Rage is better out than in,” whatever that means.

Meanwhile, Roosh has decided to troll MRAs by declaring himself one of them.

https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/697291119911161856

I think I have a gif for this.

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latsot
latsot
6 years ago

@Parasol:

I applaud the use of the epithet “wanksplat”. I’d like to add “fucktangle” to the mix. Keep up the good work 😉

jy3
jy3
6 years ago

The gynarchy couldn’t give a flying toss about PUA’s. Or even any actual attempt to legalize rape should a single human in the history of humanity be stupid enough to try it. The more the boys get between the girls legs, the more babies get born and child support gets paid, the more future economic growth and taxpayers we can expect and the more money gets released to the US states.

Did I parse that correctly? Is he saying that child support directly correlates to economic growth?

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
6 years ago

What the Sam Hill did I just read?

You want the sugar, you bend the knee.

You know, for dudes who wax on about the free market and transactional sex, they seem awfully clueless about how transactions actually work. This guy is so indignant over the way his imaginary system of sexual economics gets ruined by actual economics. It’s almost funny.

Also, it’s “nulligravida”. Normally I don’t nitpick spelling, but if you’re going to show off with fancy medical terms, get it right.

reimalebario
reimalebario
6 years ago

about reasserting Mummies’ procreative abilities as the central and only thing of critical importance

Mummies? Procreating? I’d thought that, once mummified, somebody would be well past procreating.

katz
6 years ago

Recently, someone tried to argue with me that men are inherently smarter than women because the former has 15% more neurons than the women. I countered by saying that it largely depends how the brain is “wired” and how effectively one segment can “communicate” with the other. Apparently, he missed the whole lesson in biology on bigger brains and/or more neurons =/= “smarter”.

Ever notice that the ones who boast the loudest on how “scientific” they are usually don’t have a clue what they’re talking about?

Also the key thing is brain to body ratio and women are also about 15% smaller than men.

History Nerd
History Nerd
6 years ago

“Proxy violence against men” means women abusing men by enlisting other men. So a woman getting her boyfriend to beat someone up, hiring a hitman to kill her husband, etc.

Of course, this sort of thing happens. But the MRA’s think that proxy violence is a massive and endemic social problem and that violent acts committed by women are vastly systematically under-reported in crime statistics. It’s probably true that violence committed by women is under-reported, but MRA’s think the rate is equal to or greater than violence committed by men.

Generally speaking, MRA’s pick something out of academic literature that seems to support their views and pretend it implies something it doesn’t imply. So what they say can have some degree of validity, but their conclusions are totally off the mark most of the time.

Kat
Kat
6 years ago

@History Nerd
Thanks for that explanation of “proxy violence”; the phenomenon is new to me, although it certainly sounds like a serious issue. I’m not sure how I remained ignorant of this widespread problem–until now.

Although the manosphere’s arguments are always very well reasoned and exhibit deep thought, proxy violence confuses me.

Surely a man who commits proxy violence is an Alpha. It’s just not possible that he could be a Beta. So is this not something that every red-blooded manospherian should aspire to: being a hitman or an “enforcer”?

I’ve worked myself into a tangle of contradictions. Won’t someone enlighten me?

latsot
latsot
6 years ago

Of course, this sort of thing happens

Does it?

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
6 years ago

Yes, there have been grandmothers who try to hire a hitman because they don’t like the father of their grand-baby, there was a case of a child’s mother getting mad when the father wanted equal custody, tried to have him jailed on child abuse and when that failed her parents were enlisted with her dad as the shooter all because he wanted to have a relationship with his little daughter. Women have tried to hire hitmen, I recall one who shoved her bf/fiancee/maybe soon to be ex husband with him filing for divorce I’m a bit fuzzy on exact details but she did push him out the hotel window 5-6 stories up to his death. Women have killed their kids to get back at an ex or to keep the love of a man who ‘didn’t want or like kids’. The reason these stand out from the mountain of other news is because the perpetrator or orchestrator of these violent crimes were women…next to the veritable mountain of cases where men have attacked and killed women, or men have killed other men and not at the behest of a woman. They have pushed wife and child over a cliff and nearly got away with claiming it was an accident they had no hands-on part of, paid body guards to shoot their very pregnant girlfriend as she was driving home from a date with baby daddy, killed their wife and managed to get rid of the body so well that it has never been found and then later killed their sons and themselves with a social worker outside unable to get in the house to stop them when they brought the boys for a supervised visit, and snatched women they thought ‘nobody would notice missing’ to rape, torture, and murder before dumping the body in the same general area as all the others they’d killed in the Pacific Northwest, Florida, California, and at the side of one of many highways that criss cross the United States. They have killed the man that their ex began a relationship with brutally because they wanted to really ‘stick it to that bitch’ for having the nerve to leave them and love someone else, and they have killed men for not being the ‘correct’ sexual orientation to create fear in the community. There have not been many female serial killers, it took a while for criminal justice experts to find and research the few there have been.

Cathy Reid
Cathy Reid
6 years ago

@Epsilon

There is a pervasive myth about women’s brains out there, that the adult female brain has fewer neurons than the male version, and is thus more like a child’s brain, because a child’s brain has fewer neurons, and that’s why women cry all the time. I’m not making this up, this is literally what they say. And then they quote articles from Psychology Today that they believe back them up. At which point I bring up the fact that it is during childhood when our brains have the most neurons, specifically at your 2nd birthday. More is not better, more is just a stage in development.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
6 years ago

On another news, did you read the absolutely depressing blog post of Quinn about how she drop charge ?

Saphira
Saphira
6 years ago

It is simply an attack on men, to silence their voices, to vilify and demonize Men’s Human Rights Activists with a false allegation of rape advocates.

I had to roll my eyes at that one because goodness knows MRAs and PUAs alike have never tried to silence, vilify or demonize anyone who speaks out against them. The lack of self-awareness is astounding.

Queex
Queex
6 years ago

I think the brains trust of the manosphere also classes arrest and imprisonment as ‘proxy violence’, when men are arrested for such total non-crimes as rape, domestic violence or harassment. /s

It says a lot about them that they consider it an affront that they should have consequences for their actions.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
6 years ago

@latsot – Thanks! Learned that one from a Geordie friend of mine.

Ellesar
Ellesar
6 years ago

I interpreted the “Proxy violence against men” as the sort of rape/ violence that a woman is subjected to when her husband is the target, and done in front of him – so his ‘property’ is sullied and he is emasculated.

But I can see that History Nerds explanation is closer to it.

Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

I had a google of AVFM and “proxy violence”. There are some articles but still none the wiser. Also they got the etymology of ‘benevolence’ wrong (apparently it’s ‘good + violence’ according to them).

Newt
Newt
6 years ago

Also they got the etymology of ‘benevolence’ wrong (apparently it’s
‘good + violence’ according to them).

That’s some top quality conspiracy theorist wordplay, there. Why waste time looking things up when you’ve got introspection?

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

There is no fraternity among these creeps.
They hate their moms and kids. I’ve never seen them say anything loving about their own dads. They despise each other as anything but tools to use to torment women.

If they feel anything other than hate and self loathing, you can’t prove it through their writing.

They aren’t a human rights org. They’re a cult for angry, ignorant, white men who hate women.

They are why schools should teach critical thinking and sociology / history that isn’t just about glorifying white men.

They believe the hype and don’t understand why they aren’t as marvelous as they think they should be just by being white and male. So, they blame those they believe are beneath them for not accepting our places as their slaves. It is sad. I wonder what could have been done to make decent people of them?

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
6 years ago

Based on some of the things David has quoted on this blog, I get the impression some MRAs define “not having sex with me” as proxy violence. That’s their justification for their own violence against women – in their minds, it’s a perfectly reasonable retaliation for violence that has been done unto them.

DS
DS
6 years ago

Slightly off topic here but is anyone else in fucking love with Anita Sarkeesian? That lady is amazing; the fact that she’s still standing, still speaking out, still making new content, and–let’s face it–still rocking the hell out of dangly earrings and sharp lined lipstick….vavoom!

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Zoe Quinn has dropped charges because she can’t take the abuse anymore.

Fuck these fucking fucks.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

VP,
It is also how they blame women for men’s actions.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
6 years ago

True enough, Lea. Though I’ve also thought that some MRA reactions are an exaggerated version of what you see from people who’ve had a bad customer service experience, which ties into the MRA/PUA mindset of women existing to service men, which clashes pretty badly with reality.

Ellesar
Ellesar
6 years ago

DS – wouldn’t say I’m in love, but she has loads of respect from me. She is tough and she is committed.

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