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The gender and racial makeovers of Thor and Captain America rustle jimmies at The Spearhead and Chateau Heartiste

Captain America and the guy who'll be taking over his job
Captain America and the guy who’ll be taking over his job

So it turns out that Red Pill Redditors aren’t the only ones in a tizzy about Marvel comics’ plan to replace Thor (the superhero, not the actual Norse god, all praise him) with a woman. All over the manosphere, jimmies are rustling at the news.

The proudly racist, woman-hating pickup artist guru known as Heartiste is not only outraged by the “gelding” of Thor but also, and even more vehemently, by Marvel’s decision to make Captain America black, which he bizarrely describes as a kind of racial cuckolding:

Liberals are gloating over the recent editorial choices to geld Thor and race cuck Captain America. The former will become Whor, the female Thor, and the latter will become Captain Gibsmedat, the numinous negro who saves the right kinds of white people from the wrong kinds of white people.

“Gibsmedat” – I had to look it up – is a term that ridiculous racists like to use to describe welfare checks and other “goods, services, or material … given predominately to minorities, in exchange for their tacit agreement to reciprocate by not burning down America’s cities.” It’s short, you see, for “gibs me dat.”

Hilarious, huh? The term seems to be especially popular on Chimpmania.com, a site so ludicrously racist it makes Stormfront look tame.

Heartiste continues, lashing out at a “fat white liberal quasi-male named Devin Faraci” for publicly supporting Marvel’s decision to (at least temporarily) give the Captain America costume to The Falcon, another public-spirited superhero who happens to be black:

The fat white liberal face is archetypal. These race traitors all have a “look”, don’t they? Genetics, perhaps, or just a lifetime spent wiping orange Cheetostaches off their porcine mugs. Look at that faggot. He could double as an old lesbian halfway through her hormonal replacement therapy. If ever a face looked as if it was born to have a fist buried in it, Faraci has it.

Homoophia, racism, misogyny, fat-shaming, then back to homophobia before ending with a fantasy of violence. Charming, huh?

Faraci, for his part, has taken that last bit about facepunching  in stride, adopting it as his Twitter bio.

Oh, but Heartiste isn’t done yet: he then goes on to accuse Faraci – on the basis of precisely no evidence – of hypocritically living in a neighborhood devoid of “the minorities he jerks off to.”

The anti-white liberal white male is the most loathsome of creatures. More despicable than the minorities he jerks off to, because he fulminates a credo at 180 degree odds with his chosen lifestyle for status whoring feels. Hypocritical, smug, and you just know the first to run from a fight, gathering his skirt up and shrieking like a little girl.

I wonder about the demographics of this pigman’s neighborhood? Anyone care to investigate? I might put up a post in future called “The Leftoid List”, with the names of infamous anti-white leftoid equalist turds juxtaposed with the race demographics of their immediate neighborhoods. Should be illuminating.

That would be illuminating. Not about the “Leftoids” in question, but about the fellow who calls himself Heartiste.

The comments to Heartiste’s article are, of course, appalling, filled with rants about “homos and … leftards” and “social justice fags.” They hit all the “alt right” talking points, from homophobia to racism.

They even manage to evoke the far right’s all-time favorite villain: The Jew. One commenter announces that he

did some half-hearted googling about “Faraci” to see whether his mother had been a jewess or maybe whether he had changed his jew birthname to a more WOP-sounding name when he joined the Film Actors Guild … .

And then there’s this exchange:

Bill  What a lardass scumbag. I don’t go to those movies but lots of impressionable people do, both in the US as well as abroad. The lefties who dominate the entertainment industry are on a crusade to insert black hero type characters into every film, even if it means switching an existing character’s race from white to black. If an immigrant from an out of the way place arrived here and watched tv and movies he would think all blacks are honest judges, compassionate doctors, and wise presidents and half the white people were criminals.      on July 18, 2014 at 2:57 pm | Reply Hilary Clinton      “lefties” is speld J-E-

(I’m pretty sure that is not the actual Hillary Clinton commenting.)

Meanwhile, another commenter claims that this “anti-White Kulturkampf [is] part of the greatest gencoide ever perpetrated.”

That’s right: Heartiste’s neo-Nazi fanboys think there’s a Nazi-style genocide being perpetuated against them.

Not that they’re particularly shy about advocating violence themselves. One long-time commenter writes:

Laguna Beach Fogey  That fat white liberal head would look awesome stuck on a pike outside the Chateau’s walls.

Meanwhile, another commenter posts the address and telephone number of a guy named Farci living in California; another gently points outit’s up to someone who calls himself Ted Cunterblast to point out that he’s gotten the guy’s name wrong. Yes, that’s right: among Heartiste’s followers, it’s Ted Cunterblast who serves as the closest thing to a voice of reason.

But it’s not just Heartiste and his horde who are angry about white male superheros becoming something other than white or male.

Over on the also-ran Men’s Rights hub The Spearhead, W.F. Price takes a few minutes out from tending to the new baby in the household to bash out some ill-formed thoughts on what he calls “Trans Thor.”

I’m not sure whether this is an attempt to grab some publicity or a true appeal to feminists/transsexuals, but it’s a risky move in the long-term. While adults might tolerate the switch as an amusing diversion, comics are fundamentally children’s literature. …

So I wonder whether this new storyline is intended for an adult audience, and if so, whether it’s a signal that Marvel either doesn’t care about the base market for comics, or has already been surpassed by other companies that appeal better to boys and has decided to give up. …

And if Marvel thinks it can make up for the loss of interest in boys by picking up girls, it’s time to think again. Normal girls (as opposed to future feminists) far prefer feminine characters doing ladylike things — not dominatrix types holding giant hammers. …

Finally, adult women who like Thor will not be all that happy about this. Thor’s main appeal to women is as a Nordic hunk. It’s hard to overstate the appeal of manly warriors with flowing blond hair — especially to white women. Changing Thor into a woman is going to seriously anger some of these female fans; perhaps even more than the men.

The commenters on The Spearhead, as usual, manage to outdo Price in their bigotry and ridiculousness.

One commenter claims that

This is just another variation on “piss Christ.” Changing a European mythical figure into a woman is meant to humiliate.

Spearhead regular Uncle Elmer suggests that switching Thor’s gender is designed to appeal to actual feminist Nazis:

Himmler was fascinated by Teutonic myths and named his daughter after some Germanic heroine. He was also obsessed with pre-Christian witch cults and blamed the church for mass murder of thousands of witches during the middle ages.

So it fits that making Thor a woman is a move to placate Femi-Nazis.

Meanwhile, Nemo suggests that the gender-switchers are more like old-school Stalinists:

This trend of replacing/murdering/transgendering/etc. white heterosexual male characters reminds me of the Soviet Union’s airbrushing of Politburo members who had fallen out of favor with Stalin.  A newly declared “unperson” such as Trotsky who had been photographed with Lenin would be turned into a wall or a tree in the old photos . The Party would “re-imagine” history in a manner that made it conform with current doctrine.  http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/csci_2101/false.html  The link above notes that women are willing to use the same technique to remove old boyfriends and ex-husbands from family photos.  The parallels between communism and feminism are no longer being downplayed or suppressed by the MSM. Why bother? It’s now considered to be perfectly normal to distort reality or fiction or anything else for political motives.  Anyone who objects to the airbrushing of the past is now the bad guy.  How long will it be before they start sending thugs with icepicks after real men instead of just killing comic book characters?

I don’t know, dude. Probably never? It’s not feminists who are suggesting that a punch in the face – or a beheading – is the proper response to a comic book character getting a gender or racial makeover.

 

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thebobgoblin
8 years ago

Why? Fanboy boner dollars, of course. Because no one else buys comics. :/

On the plus side for Harley, her arc in Suicide Squad has largely been about realizing her relationship with the Joker was abusive, getting over it, and moving on to people who treat her with some respect. She’s still “insane” and ruthless, but at least has some self-respect now,

Not really a fair trade, I say. But it’s something.

chaltab
chaltab
8 years ago

@ Dvarghundspossen

Y…yeah. That was unfortunate, but Morrison later admitted that he just assumed that was the case; he had not actually read Son of the Demon when he wrote “Batman and Son”. The story is retold in flashback in the issue I mentioned–Bruce is clearly not drugged senseless.

chaltab
chaltab
8 years ago

@thebobgoblin There were several instances of Tim Drake calling it rape prior to the reboot, which the “Batman and Son” dialogue is taken at face value, it was. Though, Tim used it in a skeevy way, to cut down and belittle Damian.

Dvärghundspossen
8 years ago

Okay Chaltab, thanks for clearing up. I freely admit I’m not the greatest expert on Batman out there.

lightcastle
lightcastle
8 years ago

So I found out that Wolverine is supposed to die in September. (I honestly hadn’t been paying attention.

I presume we can look forward to this all being part of the same master plan to emasculate the West and go down the rabbit hole of feminism or whatever it was? Make Thor a woman, make Cap black, kill the only “real macho man” you have in Wolverine. (As a friend on facebook wrote, all we need is to make Iron Man gay and have the Hulk become a pacifist who never gets angry and we will be set.)

Falconer
8 years ago

On the plus side for Harley, her arc in Suicide Squad has largely been about realizing her relationship with the Joker was abusive, getting over it, and moving on to people who treat her with some respect. She’s still “insane” and ruthless, but at least has some self-respect now,

Not really a fair trade, I say. But it’s something.

I remember watching the 90s Batman cartoon with Beloved a couple three years ago and we both shipped Harley/Ivy so firmly that we were shouting at the screen about how Harley should dump J and shack up with Ivy every time there was an episode where they team up.

Just don’t borrow her lipstick and you’ll be fine, Harls.

Dvärghundspossen
8 years ago

Well, no matter what they say, we all know that sooner or later Wolverine’s healing factor will come back and reanimate his corpse or something like that.

lightcastle
lightcastle
8 years ago

Well, no matter what they say, we all know that sooner or later Wolverine’s healing factor will come back and reanimate his corpse or something like that.

Yup. And Rogers will come back to life and be Cap again, and Thor will stop being a woman, etc. But this is turning into the perfect “rustle the reactionary’s jimmies” year, it seems.

strivingally
8 years ago

@Falconer:

Isn’t the Poison Ivy/Harley Quinn shipping practically canon? TVTropes says it’s been acknowledged by the writers themselves (“Word Of God”) and apparently DC lists both as “bisexual” in their profiles… not sure if there’s been any in-universe confirmation though.

strivingally
8 years ago

If the idea of a male Thor or a black Cap’n is enough to break the brains of the misters, I’d love to watch their heads asplode when they hear about a badass, bisexual woman superhero movie being directed by two women. 😀

maistrechat
8 years ago

If anyone is still reading this thread, I recently picked up the first couple of Miles-Morales-as-Spider-man trades.

There’s a moment when a fedora-clad character is kicked off school property for being a creeper. As he’s leaving, he tips his fedora and says “M’lady”.

Considering Bendis, I doubt it’s a coincidence.

tteclod
8 years ago

Isn’t she just more comfortable with her sexuality?

thebobgoblin
8 years ago
Reply to  tteclod

“Isn’t the Poison Ivy/Harley Quinn shipping practically canon?”

As of the New 52 re-boot, there’s been no mention of any relationship at all between them, to my knowledge. It seems mostly to be a feature of the DC Animated Universe, which is different in many ways from their comic universe. Though I’m still investigating all the details of the New 52, so I may simply have not stumbled across it yet.

Also, thanks, chaltab, for shining some light on the Batman rape situation.

chaltab
chaltab
8 years ago
Reply to  thebobgoblin

@thebobgoblin wait what, Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy are definitely together, they’re sleeping together in Harley Quinn’s own book.

thebobgoblin
8 years ago
Reply to  chaltab

Oh! Well, I haven’t gotten to that one yet! Henceforth, I shall defer to your New 52 kung fu.

I’m only reading a small number of trades, so I’m behind the current narrative times.

tteclod
8 years ago
Reply to  thebobgoblin

Ignoring the friendship between Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy isn’t explained by crediting the difference between the animated series the comics. Harley Quinn’s origin IS the animated series. Harley Quinn is Callisto from a soap opera. Do the research. She is defined by reference to another man – and her friendships with other women. Ultimately, she is – to use the vogue terms – cis-erotic. She is fiercely independent of most men but hopelessly smitten by powerful men who choose self-actualizing action over social norms – so-called bad boys. Simultaneously, she nurtures, supports, and protects her friends. She is the type of character that would join a MFF threesome, but remain chaste among women alone. The original outfit is a symptom of cis-erotic standards – think Taliban – and the new outfit reflects decaying morals and female objectification of females. Blame the estrogen pills and mainstreaming of lesbian eroticism, I suppose. Us boys were reading for the fight scenes and plot twists and detective mysteries, dontchaknow? Besides, ya’ll are quoting a pick-up artist blog: the girls are “out there” not in the comics. The CH commentary must be assessed according to context: how does Whor impact the PUA’s efforts? But thanks for playing.

thebobgoblin
8 years ago
Reply to  chaltab

” they’re sleeping together in Harley Quinn’s own book.”

I’ve done some snooping around about this, and I can’t find any confirmation of it, other than a few panels from issue #2 (I think) that are ambiguous. Has the story advanced this to a full-fledged sexual relationship, or are they still just keeping it suggestive?

I’ll get around to reading the Harley Quinn title when its first trade comes out, as (other than her costume) I like the way she’s being handled in what I’ve read so far. So, I’ll find out for sure eventually.

Ulathon
Ulathon
8 years ago

This is not without precedence: One of the most popular of the old Norse legends about Thor has him dress up as a woman and pretend to be Freya, Goddess of Love, to get Mjolnir back from the horny giant who had stolen it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Erymskvi%C3%B0a

Now THERE’S a storyline for the next movie …

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