So over on MGTOWforums — the festering hive of misogyny that is the internet’s largest forum for so-called Men Going Their Own Way — one of the regulars was so impressed with the Evo-Psychy insights of a YouTube commenter by the name of Moe that he decided to share them with the gang there. And I have decided to share them with you.
Brace yourself, though, because Moe is bringing some hardcore SCIENCE to the topics of feminism being awful and why women are such terrible selfish child-murdering monsters.
Moe starts off with some MGTOW basics:
Feminism is a natural development of women’s desire to hate, manipulate, exploit, and discriminate against men for women’s personal gain.
Yes, Moe, but why?
Women do not and cannot love men.
Dang. That’s rough.
Women only like gathering stuff, because they are biologically driven to gather as much stuff as possible. Women actually get an emotional rush from buying stuff and receiving stuff. They do not get the same rush from creating, achieving, or earning stuff.
Oh, because cavewomen were gatherers! You can’t argue with SCIENCE like that. Mostly because it isn’t science. It’s just words arranged in such a way that they sound vaguely like science to people who have no idea what science is.
Women see men as their competitors (advisories) and providers of resources. This all means women have an amorality similar to lower evolved animals that steal or do anything possible to procure resources.
Uh, so pretty much all animals then? I mean, evolutionarily speaking, animals basically need to do two things: they need to survive and reproduce, and eating is sort of essential to the first task.
Also, if you’re trying to relate womens’ interest in buying things with their role as gatherers in hunter-gatherer societies, wouldn’t that mean that men would be similarly interested in killing and eating stuff? How is killing and eating animals any less amoral than, you know, picking berries?
The government provides them with an opportunity to force employers, all men, their men (yes they like to cuckold), education institutions, and even other women to provide for them.
Wait, how did we get from gathering to cuckolding?
IMO Many women do not feel the need to have children. When big daddy government will take care of women from birth to death, then women will have less or no child(ren). Children were just an old age policy for women: something to use when their man-slave dropped dead.
Yeah, women carefully arranged all that pregnancy and childbirth stuff with Mother Nature — also a woman! — so they’d have children and grandchildren to sponge off of.
Women also used to practice infanticide overwhelmingly on little girls throughout history, because those little girls provided less future utility (use) to the the woman. Also boys are easier to manipulate and will be needed asap if their man-slaves drops dead quickly.
So, killing girls is actually a form of discrimination against … men.
The modern divorce laws in western nations also allow women to get the greatest utility from the ex-husband through holding the child(ren) hostage, while having multiple new men to exploit for even more resources and other benefits. This is the reason for the high divorce rate. Women do not want or need men, and given the option they will be happier acquiring more stuff from government, multiple men, and the babies daddy.
Never mind that welfare payments are dinky and that roughly 30% of custodial mothers don’t receive any of the child support money they’re owed.
The real fatal flaw of feminism, all women doing this in mass creates a situation where the population declines, while the welfare system increases. These women are illogical, because they just assume: men will continue to put up with their shit … .
Oh, dear. Is the apocalypse near at hand? I have the strange feeling that the apocalypse is near at hand.
Well, welcome to the new reality women: almost 25% of you will never be married. Discriminating against men pisses them off and drives them from education and work, so your hypergamous needs will be unfulfilled. The single men will produce less, so the government will receive less. Employers will leave the country, in order to flee high regulations, taxation, and lower productivity female employees.
And here it comes, right on schedule!
Women have less desire to produce as much as men, so they are inefficient employees in comparison. Lower standards and female accommodations also lower business productivity, and increase costs.
Oh no! Damn those lazy women.
Hey, while you’re at it, can you work lazy brown people into the mix somehow?
The government will increase immigration, because it needs more slaves to pay the growing women’s needs, but the new slaves are of a different culture that does not value the 40-60 hour week westernize male slave system. Also, the immigrants will take full advantage of your welfare system more so than the natives.
Thanks! Misogyny and racism, two great tastes that taste great together!
Welcome to a diminishing economy, where less men will give a shit about women. Your wants will increase, but the resources will decrease. Haha I am going to love seeing the world turn to shit in the next few years!
Well, I guess we can’t argue with SCIENCE.
What, you carry a big traffic sign with NO printed on it around and you shoved it right in front of his face? Sorry, that’s too subtle. You need to make your rejection less ambiguous, and also have you considered the fact that you might be hurting his feelings?
I’ve met guys like that. I admit, I’m usually tempted to be like, “Oh, so I can do THIS to you? You’re not complaining loudly enough, I don’t think you really MEAN no…” Depending how they perceive my gender, this can sometimes set them off.
@marinaliteyears, That rings true and it’s so vindictive of them, because how do you believe one gender is so powerless in society it has to rely on the other to survive, and come out hating the powerless ones? Of course as we know that arrangement really was true in history and still is in some places, no doubt they’d like to see it return.
@kettehserf, Good grief these people! There’s even a quite popular PUA script centered around tearing down a woman’s boyfriend in her eyes in hopes she’ll cheat (starts with “where’s your boyfriend” and goes on to plant doubts in her mind, why isn’t he with you, don’t you think his job is pathetic, are you sure he treats you right, etc). No respect for women is a given, but such shockingly little respect for other men as well.
Unimaginative: He said he did go to cons, his, “local” con having panels on polyamory for more than ten years is why he didn’t think, “meet my husband” should be taken as an implicit indication of a lack of interest (Ken just linked to the that thread, and I was re-reading it yesterday).
He gets some creativity points for trying to bring a biotruth argument around to prove that women don’t want to have children. I’m just a little sad that we don’t actually get an explanation of how women are genetically programmed to not reproduce.
@shayla, possibly not surprising as PUAs seem to work strictly with an “end justifies the means” rationale for their behaviour.
@Kiwi girl, True enough!
If some dirtbag tried that, I would, depending on my mood, laugh in his face or rip him a new one. He’s a walking corpse compared with my man. (Well, with any decent person, but most particularly my man in this context.)
auggz, I hope your roommate isn’t too upset by all this. It sounds like she dodged a bullet.
I’ve seen guys do that with a woman’s female friends too, tear them down in an attempt to flatter her (or in this case, me) and it’s always seemed really indicative of the kind of woman they’re looking to pull, because any woman who’s a decent person isn’t going to be more likely to want to fuck you because you were nasty about/to her friends.
Ew. Man, trashing my husband would be one of the fastest ways to get on my bad side, seriously. Might as well trash my younger siblings, eesh.
When I used to go to bars, guys would sometimes try that on me. This is a pretty good representation of my reaction.
“Oh, hey, you’re an asshole. Hi, asshole!”
Right, and it seems like that would be natural response of most people! It happened to me once and I was so bewildered and then defensive as it went on, and by the end he was just flabbergasted that yes, I loved my bf and couldn’t ever betray him, even though he wasn’t fabulosly wealthy! Wow!
Then I’d start talking to someone over their shoulder.
I can imagine looking dude up and down and saying “You think you can compete in any way with my husband?
Ha ha
Hahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!”
Ah, yes…evolutionarily women have developed to NOT want to have children. That makes sooooooooooo much sense. *eyeroll*
Of course, most of the time this folks are arguing that women’s ONLY desire is to give birth…
So apparently women who have kids = working off biological imperatives; women who don’t have kids = working off biological imperatives.
Funny how in evo psych, women never seem to actually make any kind of decisions. Ugh.
@Shayla
WOw those people O_o Also, how sad is it I already have planned lies for a fictacious boyfriend if I need to use that as an reason not to respond to dudes, since they seem to take that one over ‘not interested’? (and I’m not really eager to say ‘nope don’t do guys’ around people I don’t know…)
In an previous thread I remember one prepper felt his amazing paintball skills and “old school collaging” would win the day for him after the apocalypse. That’s as reasonable an answer you’ll get from someone who views a global apacalypse as their sole chance for social advancement and personal happiness.
Well he’s dead right about that, those tampon machines aren’t going to pay for themselves ladies!
I’m glad that I don’t go out and about much. I’ve already dealt with men who can’t take a “no” or any sort of rejection plenty of times. It makes me mad that pretty much the only way to get a guy out of my face is to say “I’m dating.” Sometimes I like to get creative though. Sometimes I gush about how much I love kids and want some of my own (I don’t) or I make up something absolutely disgusting that I just loooove sexually. The worst is that I’m asexual and not interested in sex (I don’t hate it or not enjoy it, I just don’t crave it) and a lot of guys seem to take that as a challenge. Or they think I’m lying to get more people to give me attention. Hell, I have very little interest in dating either. I just want a best friend roommate to sometimes make out with but have separate bedrooms or maybe even separate houses lmao.
@eli
If “feminism is a natural development” of prehistoric biotruths, than why did only take hold in the Western world relatively recently? The answer to these questions is presumably “derp” since he can’t differentiate the eternal inferiority and sinful nature of women from whatever the fuck he think feminism is.
Moe’s signature is “Because of Feminism, a man’s paycheck is no longer enough to support a family
Because of MGTOW, it no longer has to”. He clearly needs to learn the basics about economics and how to use periods. And he should probably stop talking.
Let me say that tournament paintball (and most open field paintball) is crap for teaching how to deal with a fire fight.
I say this because anytime I’ve done open-field paintball had me (and any army buddies I was with, kicking ass (with the exception of the day which was so crowded it was like being in WW1. I’m serious, the two sides ended up; in every field, strung out from edge to edge, at the far limit of the effective range of the guns and fired at anyone who was exposed. The only fun to be had was trying to enfilade by moving out into No-Man’s Land) .
So I’m not that worried about his martial prowess. My little sisters know more about how to pull fire and movement and engage in area denial than he does.
But the collaging… might be useful. Art makes decent trade goods, and skills at decoupage can preserve furniture.
Yep, that’s a sexually inherited characteristic. Men get a higher chance of baldness and colour blindness, and we get sex-hate.
Because there have been no happy heterosexual relationships, ever.
Yep, amorality. No ethics systems apply to women, we’re outside of them all. At least he got the “don’t anthropomorphise human ethics systems onto other animals” bit right.
Uh, in cultures such as the Greeks and Romans, the decision on infanticide was made by the bloke, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide
He has seen the future, and apparently we’re all Catholic.
But it does sound like the Mass of the future will be more interesting, in a Baalesque sort of way.
What I want to know is how one has a desire to hate someone or something. “My life is incomplete! I don’t hate anyone!”
These guys are real turds. It’s insanity how narcissistic they are! They honestly believe women want to be with them, they NEED them, and they are honestly going to hear the shit their spouting and think: “Hey, I better make myself more attractive to douchebags!”
They honestly believe they are the centre of the universe, and everyone else should be trying to make their lives more pleasurable, looking pretty for them, catering to their sexual shit, being their maids, etc OR ELSE:
I AM BIG MANLY MAN. HEAR ME, LOWLY COMMONERS, OR THE APOCALYPSE SHALL COMETH!