So over on MGTOWforums — the festering hive of misogyny that is the internet’s largest forum for so-called Men Going Their Own Way — one of the regulars was so impressed with the Evo-Psychy insights of a YouTube commenter by the name of Moe that he decided to share them with the gang there. And I have decided to share them with you.
Brace yourself, though, because Moe is bringing some hardcore SCIENCE to the topics of feminism being awful and why women are such terrible selfish child-murdering monsters.
Moe starts off with some MGTOW basics:
Feminism is a natural development of women’s desire to hate, manipulate, exploit, and discriminate against men for women’s personal gain.
Yes, Moe, but why?
Women do not and cannot love men.
Dang. That’s rough.
Women only like gathering stuff, because they are biologically driven to gather as much stuff as possible. Women actually get an emotional rush from buying stuff and receiving stuff. They do not get the same rush from creating, achieving, or earning stuff.
Oh, because cavewomen were gatherers! You can’t argue with SCIENCE like that. Mostly because it isn’t science. It’s just words arranged in such a way that they sound vaguely like science to people who have no idea what science is.
Women see men as their competitors (advisories) and providers of resources. This all means women have an amorality similar to lower evolved animals that steal or do anything possible to procure resources.
Uh, so pretty much all animals then? I mean, evolutionarily speaking, animals basically need to do two things: they need to survive and reproduce, and eating is sort of essential to the first task.
Also, if you’re trying to relate womens’ interest in buying things with their role as gatherers in hunter-gatherer societies, wouldn’t that mean that men would be similarly interested in killing and eating stuff? How is killing and eating animals any less amoral than, you know, picking berries?
The government provides them with an opportunity to force employers, all men, their men (yes they like to cuckold), education institutions, and even other women to provide for them.
Wait, how did we get from gathering to cuckolding?
IMO Many women do not feel the need to have children. When big daddy government will take care of women from birth to death, then women will have less or no child(ren). Children were just an old age policy for women: something to use when their man-slave dropped dead.
Yeah, women carefully arranged all that pregnancy and childbirth stuff with Mother Nature — also a woman! — so they’d have children and grandchildren to sponge off of.
Women also used to practice infanticide overwhelmingly on little girls throughout history, because those little girls provided less future utility (use) to the the woman. Also boys are easier to manipulate and will be needed asap if their man-slaves drops dead quickly.
So, killing girls is actually a form of discrimination against … men.
The modern divorce laws in western nations also allow women to get the greatest utility from the ex-husband through holding the child(ren) hostage, while having multiple new men to exploit for even more resources and other benefits. This is the reason for the high divorce rate. Women do not want or need men, and given the option they will be happier acquiring more stuff from government, multiple men, and the babies daddy.
Never mind that welfare payments are dinky and that roughly 30% of custodial mothers don’t receive any of the child support money they’re owed.
The real fatal flaw of feminism, all women doing this in mass creates a situation where the population declines, while the welfare system increases. These women are illogical, because they just assume: men will continue to put up with their shit … .
Oh, dear. Is the apocalypse near at hand? I have the strange feeling that the apocalypse is near at hand.
Well, welcome to the new reality women: almost 25% of you will never be married. Discriminating against men pisses them off and drives them from education and work, so your hypergamous needs will be unfulfilled. The single men will produce less, so the government will receive less. Employers will leave the country, in order to flee high regulations, taxation, and lower productivity female employees.
And here it comes, right on schedule!
Women have less desire to produce as much as men, so they are inefficient employees in comparison. Lower standards and female accommodations also lower business productivity, and increase costs.
Oh no! Damn those lazy women.
Hey, while you’re at it, can you work lazy brown people into the mix somehow?
The government will increase immigration, because it needs more slaves to pay the growing women’s needs, but the new slaves are of a different culture that does not value the 40-60 hour week westernize male slave system. Also, the immigrants will take full advantage of your welfare system more so than the natives.
Thanks! Misogyny and racism, two great tastes that taste great together!
Welcome to a diminishing economy, where less men will give a shit about women. Your wants will increase, but the resources will decrease. Haha I am going to love seeing the world turn to shit in the next few years!
Well, I guess we can’t argue with SCIENCE.
Whenever I read stuff like I this I imagine they are sobbing and cursing and jerking it while staring at a picture of the girl who rejected them in high school.
As David has said before, for men who are supposed to be going their own way, they are awfully obsessed with women.
It didn’t come across as elitist to me, Unimaginative – more that the “elite” who get the credit are a very long way from being the only ones, or the only essential ones, in a group.
Ah, but Mo(p)e is such a misanthrope, he takes all that for granted. He’s just pissed because women are not putting out. That’s the only female productivity or generosity that he cares about.
And ironically, by being that way, he’s ensuring that he’ll never get any.
@Lisa Michelle Copeland
What I’ve noticed is that MGTOWs claim not to be remotely interested in women, but spend all their time griping about how women won’t do what they want. Meanwhile, PUAs claim to be experts on women and wildly successful with them, but their lives seem to revolve around impressing other men.
He doesn’t even think we can be kind, generous, or anything. He’s the one saying we can’t love men. Like all these tossers, he’s both projecting his own lovelessness, and generalising about entire genders.
I’m willing to bet he’s also some flavor of Libertarian/Ancap too. They’re obsessed with the whole makers vs. takers thing. I’ve noticed there’s a big overlap between Libertarians/Ancaps, racists, classists, and misogynists. It’s like an Venn diagram of shite and awfulness.
::looks up what ancaps are::
Ewwww
RE: Unimaginative
We can ooh and ahh over how much of a genius Leonardo da Vinci was, but he had workshops of people supporting him.
Plus… hey, I got all the respect in the world for da Vinci, but dude never finished fucking ANYTHING. He had no sense of organization, his science notes are STILL getting scrounged up across the globe, and a lot of beautiful work of his has been lost because of his lack of organization and follow-through. He wasn’t a god, and hell, if the entire planet was like him, the world would be exciting, but kind of a shambles.
A lot of the people at the top of the pyramid are there because of all the people underneath working. Steve Jobs wouldn’t have become the freakin’ deity he is if he hadn’t had factory workers putting his shit together.
If you are on your own you’ll have a harder time to survive vs nature than being with a group of people. They believe women can’t survive on their own in the wilderness and they need men for survival (to hunt mammoths for them). I remember watching a documentary about a village in Kenya consisting of only women. Those women were expelled by their husbands because they were raped by some soldiers and were just thrown away to die in the wilderness. But they decided to band together and build their own village, later more women joined them who were either abandoned or fleeing abusive husbands. Their village was going really well, they even managed to build a school, but then their men began raiding the village stealing things and even killing one of the women. So those women had to hire bodyguards for protection.
The point is that both men and women with the use of brains and tools can survive relatively well vs nature, but the hardest part has always been to survive against other people. Sad but true.
…dare I ask what an ancap is?
That was MY reaction, too. One of them trolled my blog under various ‘nyms, which I banned one by one until he got tired and fucked off. Not surprisingly, he was racist, sexist and downright fascist. They all are…
You can’t BUY entertainment better than this!
Why any woman would give these guys the time of day, let along marry them is a mystery to me.
Besides, don’t a goodly number of them claim to be pick up artists? Then there are the MGTOW types (out of the game) and finally the butt-hurts who can’t get a date or are always being cuckolded. Have I got that right?
So, their beef isn’t with women at all is it, it’s really with each other.
I mean by their own reckoning women are too dumb to make decisions for themselves, so really the solution is to put all the MRAs in a big stadium for a few weeks and just deal with the dozen or so who emerge alive.
Maybe AVfM could set that up. TV rights would be worth a fortune. That would make Elam happy at least.
Anarcho-capitalists.
Or Australasian New Car Assessment Program, but I don’t think that’s the one.
Anarchy-Captitalism. Or the ‘philosophy’ (cough cough) of choice for privileged, spoiled, white doodz.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism
Stupid auto correct.
LBT, I respectfully suggest that the world is exciting and kind of a shambles.
Anarcho-capitalists.
AAAAAAAAAAAAH! *grabs the salt, starts hurling it* EVIL SPIRIT BEGONE EVIL SPIRIT BEGONE! Those fuckers actually exist? I thought it was a joke!
RE: thebewilderness
I concede.
Speaking of him, there’s been an ongoing unfolding of criminal behaviour amongst publishing companies, apparently spear-headed by Steve Jobs (price-fixing of e-books), that I’ve been following over the past few years at dearauthor.com, a romance reader blog.
A few days ago, I stumbled across a new one: the tech companies have been colluding to keep down the wages of their employees, apparently spear-headed by George Lucas. Investigation ongoing, innocent until proven guilty, etc.
The thing that struck me was that Steve Jobs was such a raging control freak that he thought he could decide how everyone else gets to spend their money.
RE: anarcho-capitalists. Clark over at Popehat is one. He stated, during the US government shutdown, that he wanted federal employees to be punished for choosing to be employed by the government, because he doesn’t approve of government (paraphrasing). Which sums up my interpretation of right-wingers in general: People who don’t agree with them must be punished.
Always thought Jobs was a raging PoS … and as for Lucas, hey, welcome to the dark side, eh, Darth fucking George?
Clark – is he one of the bloggers there, or that gahhhhh commenter who’s a mealy-mouthed misogynist, among other things?
Very well said.
Clark is one of the bloggers. The owner is Ken White, who seems to be a logical, compassionate, well-rounded human being. Not sure why he keeps Clark around, except for the entertainment value.
kittehs: It doesn’t matter to Moe (in his fantasy world) that he can’t cook, or gather, or anything. Women will be so desperate they will come to him, begging to be rescued.
He doesn’t seem to notice the pre-modern world he posits (and the one we ought to expect to return in the absence of modern society; per Moe) is one in which women had man-slaves.
So, even by his rubrics, he’s gonna have a tough time of it in the post-apocalypse.
Me, should it come about (and I survive the immediate aftermath), I ought to do ok. But I have skills, and a library.
I also have infrastructure. Sure, you can read up on how to spin, but I have a wheel, and spindeles, and lazy kate, and all the other stuff which makes it possible for me to supply someone with yarns for their needles, hooks and looms. I’ll get by.
Poor Moe will have to live on his charm and his wits, neither of which seem to be in generous supply.
The tenacious, tedious commenter is James Pollock, who consistently ranks in the top 3 commenters on the sidebar (as measured by number of comments within the last X days). He’s also an educator, tech expert, and has passed the bar. And has an opinion on everything, and you MUST be blessed to receive it. And the fact that multiple people misinterpret what he writes in exactly the same way only proves that multiple people have the same reading disability, obviously.
Ken has some blind spots. He’s a bit of a libertarian, and has some odd ideas on the social contract. All in all, I’d say he’s a decent person, but the fringier aspects of free-speech politics do show up.
@LBT
“ancap” is short for “anarcho-capitalists.” Basically, they’re free market fundamentalists whose views are nearly indistinguishable from those of right-wing libertarians in the US except for the fact that they consider themselves “anarchist.” As an anarcho-communist, I see them as nothing more than posers who at best have a very flawed understanding of capitalism and at worst are advocating a system that is even more oppressive than state capitalism.