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Trans women are engaging in “delusional cosplay,” and more transphobic “wisdom” from The Spearhead

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When I posted about WF Price’s viciously transphobic Mothers’ Day post on The Spearhead yesterday, the Spearhead commentariat had not yet weighed in on his post. Well, now they have, and so appallingly that I felt a second post was in order. Here are some of the, er, highlights of the discussion.

Again, a TRIGGER WARNING applies; if anything, these comments are worse than Price’s original post. This hasn’t made them unpopular at The Spearhead; quite the contrary: all the comments quoted below were well received by Spearhead readers, receiving multiple upvotes. A couple of them were even rated “Well-loved.”

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Alcestis Eshtemoa compares trans women, unfavorably, to eunuchs:

Transexuals/Transgenders are part of the LGBTQPPI freak show. Transexual “women” are de-facto mutilated or castrated men, on a much lower level than eunuchs even. Sure a couple of people may be born “inter-sexed” but most (in general) are not born or made that way. There are two sexes and they are complementary.

Instead it’s the delusional cosplay “I’m a woman in a man’s body” (sure and I’m really Napoleon reincarnated or Marilyn Monroe in a hideous, ill-mannered woman’s body). It’s a form of narcissism, the worse kind even, because these people don’t play their parts well. Instead the solipsism is projected elsewhere.

El Bastardo seems to think that feminists are all as transphobic as he is:

I can’t wait for all the liars, whom calling themselves feminists, have to face this genius who cut his own junk off. As soon as he says they are “equal” in motherhood, they are going to have to contain their laughter and scorn. A “Saaaayyy whaaaaattt?” moment. Followed by “Oh, HELL NAH!”

I actually feel for this individual, though the “suffering” is self inflicted. He, or perhaps she or it, has now set himself and his family up for years of delicious pain for his moronic self indulgence.

Truly, the feminists who raised him, for that is the evil and solipsistic individuals his parents (or at least his mother and wife) had to have been. They destroyed who he was, and cheered him on as he jumped into an abyss for which there is no return.

Now his sons have endured a wound they may never be able to articulate, but incubate with pain and confusion their whole lives. For if their father, now having turned and claimed to being a woman, hated his masculinity in such a fashion; what are they left to think?

Keyster also manages to pull off the neat trick of  attacking transphobic feminists — well, he assumes all feminists are transphobic — in a comment that is itself transphobic, not to mention massively misogynistic:

Feminists hate transexuals because they “mock” womanhood; pretend to be women, when actually the massive doses of estrogen is what reveals the classic female behavior that sometimes annoys and frustrates men so much.

Also more often than not transexuals abhor masculinity so much that they actually consider themselves lesbians. And lesbians don’t much like (Male to Female) transexuals either. They do seem to do better once this “internal conflict” is resolved, but then create a whole new reality of confusion and complexities around them.

Geographybeefinalisthimself decides to make the issue all about, well, me:

I feel so sorry for this tranny’s sons.

I wonder if Manboobz will consider my pity for this tranny’s sons to be “misogyny.” I think his morbidly obese body will explode just thinking about how to react.

I’d call that transphobia, actually, Mr. geographybeefinalist. I’m not quite sure why you thought I would explode. It’s not exactly shocking to discover that misogynists are bigoted in other ways as well. On The Spearhead multiple bigotry seems to be the default state.

Towgunner delivered up a massive wall-o-text, from which I have extracted the following. (Paragraph breaks added.)

A simple agenda item for the MRA … is to encourage the truth, specifically, men and women are different and there is nothing wrong with that. ….

The reason why we unfortunately here about this is because it fits the feminists narrative and false idea that men and women are interchangeable etc. transsexuals are an important component to that argument because he was once a he now hes a she…look at that kids, as easy as pie. But its not, hormone treatment and multiple evasive surgeries are not some simple “switch” …

Methinks, the whole “I’m a women in a man’s body” meme is a sick distraction from the real truth, which is “No sir or ma’am, the truth is you’re not happy with yourself and the cards you were dealt and you’ve never came to terms with that! ….

The idea of “I’m a man in a women’s body” should be met with, “hey pal, I’d like to be a lot of things myself too, eating ice cream every night and having a full head of hair and washboard abs…but guess what, it’s not the case….deal. This is what happens when emotion trumps reason. psycology today is a joke, the proper treatment is a kick in the pants not some soft spoken, drug dealer who’s likely just as messed up as their patients are.

Brigadon responded to one commenter who challenged the Spearhead regulars on their homophobia (and got massively downvoted for doing so), accusing the commenter of using “shaming language” against those who rightfully resist “homophilia.” Then he called gay men “fags;” compared homosexuality to pedophilia, bestiality, and cannibalism; and suggested that trans women deserve to be ridiculed.

There is a vast difference between being homophobic and having a legitimate understanding of the deleterious effects homophilia has on society.

If you are not into molesting children, are you pedophobic?
If you are not into fucking housepets, are you beastophobic?
Why in the hell is it considered a ‘phobia’ to be disgusted and sickened by something which, in the end, is an incredibly unhealthy habit from both a species and societal standpoint? …

Why should we accept cannibalism? why should we accept pederastery? why should we accept homosexuality? why should we accept beastiality? how does that strengthen us as a culture? what does it ADD to the human experience, and what does it take away?

Nice attempt at shaming language, though. technically ‘homophobia’= “fear of those like one’s self”. completely incorrect usage of the word.

Unfortunately, though, fags are afraid to use the real word…
Edinakusesiphobia- fear of sodomy.
Frankly, all things concerned, I consider a fear of getting sodomized to be a very real worry, as opposed to a ‘phobia’. Especially considering that nearly six times as many men in the US get raped as women, and nearly a hundred times as many men get FORCEFULLY raped (sodomized) as women.

And, to be completely honest, why should we NOT ridicule men that lop their penises off in order to be failures as both males and females.

In case you’re wondering, this was one of the comments that was rated “Well-loved” by the Spearhead regulars.

There is plenty more awfulness to be found elsewhere in the thread at The Spearhead, as well as some comments that aren’t quite as bad, if you have the stomach to wade through the rest of it to find them.

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Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Gamerime, depends on the state, federally I assume that they go with whatever your legal ID says. Yeah, looks like the state dept just requires a doctor’s letter (“just” but yes, it’s legally changeable)

Try here for state laws, but no flash on here so I’m not sure it’s really the right sort of data — http://transequality.org/Resources/DL/DL_policies.html

Wiki has more though.

Kittehserf
9 years ago

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

Kirbywarp, did you have to post No 2 in that list? Put up a Creepy Douche Asshole warning next time, willya?

::hides under desk::

julebud75
julebud75
9 years ago
Reply to  No,no,no

To this ‘No, no, no’ person (what a fitting name); Gender is not determined by genitalia alone, my friend! Let me explain the biology of Trans folks (as I understand it, if I am wrong, I hope fellow Boobzers don’t flame me)…*ahem*….

There are biological sex differences between brains. Male & female brains have subtle differences in how they are structured & there are USUALLY subtle differences in thinking styles/cognition. Keep in mind that NONE of this has any bearing on intelligence, ethics or anything else.

Anyway, The brain, you can say, is the seat of one’s personality, self, consciousness & identity, who you REALLY are, the seat of the soul. You are what’s in that big bundle of nervous grey matter which resides in your skull.

Now, sometimes, when Mother Nature wants to come up with something different (as she is wont to do) a person is born who, through a certain moment of unusual happenstance, as a brain that one sex stuck in the body of another sex. Thus, you have what appears to be either a guy with a gal’s brain or a gal with a guy’s brain.

Since the brain is the seat of the soul & who you really are, the brain determines your true identity. Therefore Chaz Bono was ALWAYS Chaz Bono, even if he appeared to be a girl named Chastity Bono. Brandon Teena may have appeared to be a cute girl who cross-dressed but make no mistake, he was AAAAALLLL MAN!

Gender, Sex….why should someone’s worth be based on these things or the strict adherence thereof? People should be judged by character alone, not their physical sex, gender identity/expression, sexual preference, ethnicity, color, size, age, nationality, religion/non-religion, disability, social standing, economic level or any other variable.

Gender schmender! We should embrace the beauty & variety of sex & gender variables….a spectrum….a rainbow!

Oh, if you decide to bring up that “homosexuality with lead to pedophilia, zoophilia, necrophilia, etc.” here’s one word to shoot all that down…..CONSENT! An animal cannot consent, thus zoophilia is basically animal rape/abuse. A corpse can’t consent because it’s dead & it’s just plain unhealthy for someone to sex-up dead folks, a child cannot truly consent because the don’t fully understand or grasp the full implications of the the whole situation!

Two people of the same sex/gender who fully consent with each other are not immoral.

Now, Homosexuality & Transgender are two totally different things, however, I brought up the above argument concerning Queer lovestyles because I just know that ‘No no no’ is bound to make a “slippery-slope” argument concerning my above statement:

*Gender, Sex….why should someone’s worth be based on these things or the strict adherence thereof? People should be judged by character alone, not their physical sex, gender identity/expression, sexual preference, ethnicity, color, size, age, nationality, religion/non-religion, disability, social standing, economic level or any other variable.

Gender schmender! We should embrace the beauty & variety of sex & gender variables….a spectrum….a rainbow!*

And now, my rebuttal of *No no no* is done, thank you.

Julie
Julie
9 years ago

To this ‘No, no, no’ person (what a fitting name); Gender is not determined by genitalia alone, my friend! Let me explain the biology of Trans folks (as I understand it, if I am wrong, I hope fellow Boobzers don’t flame me)…*ahem*….

There are biological sex differences between brains. Male & female brains have subtle differences in how they are structured & there are USUALLY subtle differences in thinking styles/cognition. Keep in mind that NONE of this has any bearing on intelligence, ethics or anything else.

Anyway, The brain, you can say, is the seat of one’s personality, self, consciousness & identity, who you REALLY are, the seat of the soul. You are what’s in that big bundle of nervous grey matter which resides in your skull.

Now, sometimes, when Mother Nature wants to come up with something different (as she is wont to do) a person is born who, through a certain moment of unusual happenstance, as a brain that one sex stuck in the body of another sex. Thus, you have what appears to be either a guy with a gal’s brain or a gal with a guy’s brain.

Since the brain is the seat of the soul & who you really are, the brain determines your true identity. Therefore Chaz Bono was ALWAYS Chaz Bono, even if he appeared to be a girl named Chastity Bono. Brandon Teena may have appeared to be a cute girl who cross-dressed but make no mistake, he was AAAAALLLL MAN!

Gender, Sex….why should someone’s worth be based on these things or the strict adherence thereof? People should be judged by character alone, not their physical sex, gender identity/expression, sexual preference, ethnicity, color, size, age, nationality, religion/non-religion, disability, social standing, economic level or any other variable.

Gender schmender! We should embrace the beauty & variety of sex & gender variables….a spectrum….a rainbow!

Oh, if you decide to bring up that “homosexuality with lead to pedophilia, zoophilia, necrophilia, etc.” here’s one word to shoot all that down…..CONSENT! An animal cannot consent, thus zoophilia is basically animal rape/abuse. A corpse can’t consent because it’s dead & it’s just plain unhealthy for someone to sex-up dead folks, a child cannot truly consent because the don’t fully understand or grasp the full implications of the the whole situation!

Two people of the same sex/gender who fully consent with each other are not immoral.

Now, Homosexuality & Transgender are two totally different things, however, I brought up the above argument concerning Queer lovestyles because I just know that ‘No no no’ is bound to make a “slippery-slope” argument concerning my above statement:

Gender, Sex….why should someone’s worth be based on these things or the strict adherence thereof? People should be judged by character alone, not their physical sex, gender identity/expression, sexual preference, ethnicity, color, size, age, nationality, religion/non-religion, disability, social standing, economic level or any other variable.

Gender schmender! We should embrace the beauty & variety of sex & gender variables….a spectrum….a rainbow!

And now, my rebuttal of No no no is done, thank you.

(*argh!* Tried commenting from my home inbox. Bad idea. Copy-pasted it, here)

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
9 years ago

I, Julie, have changed my name to SpukiKitty. Thank you. =D

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

“Queer lovestyles”

I am so swiping that, thank you! And yeah, your trans* 101 passes my sniff test, 101 for sure, but let’s not confuse no, no, no too much! (If ze even returns, I suspect we had a troll by trolling)

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
9 years ago

Thanks! =)

Aaliyah
9 years ago

Most transpeople are delusioned, this isn’t a transphobic statement, it passes no judgement, it doesn’t say transpeople are bad, it merely states that they are incorrect in what they believe themselves to be, a person who has a penis is not a woman, if they beleive they are they have an incorrect belief, a delusion, this NOT saying they are lesser people, it’s simply saying they are incorrect.

Denying an inherent part of our identity by calling us “deluded” is bigoted. Twist things all you want.

If you disagree with me on my definition of man and woman, you know what, that’s fine, just don’t label me tranphobic becuase I use the official, legally recognised definitions

Official legal definitions can be transphobic, too, and they are in no way absolute. And because you’re okay with them, you are a transphobe. Now fuck off.

Aaliyah
9 years ago

Nice response, SpukiKitty! =D

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
9 years ago
Reply to  Aaliyah

Thankies! *GIVES MEGA SPUKI HUGZ*

Fade
9 years ago

Shorter no,no,no: Don’t label me transphobic just because of my transphobia

PS, trans* people are delusional becuz genitals dictate your gender!!!! Like how cis-women who get masectomies become half-woman, and cis-men who suffer unfortunate accidents exist in some limbo state outside of gender*

*not like some people don’t identify as man or women, because lots of people don’t, but transphobic people normally don’t let “neither man nor women” or “both man and women” or “who cares gender?” or any of the other variations exist in their binary.

Dingo
Dingo
8 years ago

“Like, I think that people who identify as otherkin are delusional. Am I going to mount a crusade against them to force them to acknowledge what I see as reality? No, because they’re not doing anyone any harm, so what would be the point?”

The problem is that trans people will label people who disagree with their identity as being hateful and breaching their human right to identify however they please when really we just disagree with them, in fact many advocate for ‘not acknowledging gender identity’ being a hate crime. They will also staunchly claim they have a right to be in spaces that /legally belong to someone else/ ‘transwomen’ for example don’t care that place is /legally delegated/ to people that are /legally/ women, they will barge in and declare they have a right to do so.
Those same ‘transwomen’ will also demand women’s doctors then complain they aren’t getting the right medical treatment because they need a men’s doctor!

In comparison to ‘transpeople’, otherkin are completely rational.

Dingo
Dingo
8 years ago

After further reading of the comments, I would like to admit that I am in fact, the person who posted ‘no,no,no’

I am truly sorry I labelled transgenderedism ‘delusional’ I took anger out on innocent people and would like to apologize for that.

However.
To the person who was so kidn to actually rebutt me rather than mindlessly bash me;

Testosterone forms the male organs-including the brain, in the womb and oestrogen forms the organs in the womb, this renders ‘brain-based’ arguments completely against transgenderedism; the female reproductive organs and female brain develop using the same hormones at the same time, so do the male body and brain. In fact,changing the definitions of gender to ‘validate gender identities’ will result in people receiving the wrong medical care and falsely observing behavior and physiology, because it will no longer be acceptable to observe how men and women are truly, physically different.

Whether you are a man or a woman is based on reproductive organs, this is legal and official, you can find it in any dictionary or biology class worth it’s salt, and this means that the proponent of the new definition has burden of proof. Just because I can’t tell doesn’t mean the official definition is wrong. As someone was so kind to mention yes I am holding trans people to a different standard, because I expect people to know what they are and be honest about what they are, people who don’t know are ignorant of the truth, people who aren’t honest wish to make others ignorant.
By the way, terms such as ‘stuck in the wrong body’ or ‘man stuck in a womans’ body, and especially ‘gal with a guys brain’ are widely accepted as transphobic by trans rights activists such as yourself.

Changing your use of language to make you or other people feel ‘validated’ is your personal choice, non-acceptance of this change is not a sign we hate trans people, it’s a sign that language changes gradually over time, if the defnitions are outdated, then it will evolve naturally and you wont need to brand the old definition as transphobic.

Asking me if I can tell whether someone is a man or woman because of the way they dress is like asking me to tell if someone is black or white because of the way they dress, and in fact, this is a sexist/racist idea. (or, in the world of Manboobz.com, transphobic)
I also never advocate judgement based on looks’ and always value consent and freedom of people to consent; yes means yes, and hate slippery slope the fiery passion, I dare say you are stereotyping me as your stereotypical trans-hater just because I disagree.

As an afterword, it’s pointless to identify yourself by this invisible intangible thing known as ‘gender identity’, it says nothing about you, it completely misses the point of an ‘identity.’
I’m a woman because of my body parts, that’s what make it important, identifying ‘because you feel like it’ is a pointless label that doesn’t help people know who you are and probably misleads them.

Dingo
Dingo
8 years ago

Truth is the main reason I called trans people delusional is because so many trans activists think they can called otherkin delusional and get away with what is, basically, hypocrisy, regardless of how ‘silly’ their beliefs are, otherkin are having a real experience too, and otherkin experience various conditions related to their identity, many experiences phantom limb sensation of having a tail or having wings, they may find it strange putting on clothes because they feel like they aren’t supposed to have hands or their tusks might get caught, the parallels between otherkin and transpeople is unmistakable, but so many trans activists think they can judge otherkin.

Imperator Zor
Imperator Zor
8 years ago

I wonder what these idiots have to say about female to male transexuals?

I mean even people in the Iran admits that transexuality is a real thing: and they are a freaking Theocracy!

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