Ever wonder why there are so few women engineers? Well, wonder no more, because carchamp1 over on the Men’s Rights subreddit has the answer! It’s apparently his wife’s fault, or something. In a comment with two dozen upvotes at last count, he explains:
I put my wife through four years of college to be an engineer. That’s four years worth of college tuition and expenses, plus not having any income from her. She got a great job and worked for a couple years. She decided she didn’t want to work anymore so she could be a “stay-at-home-mom”. When I urged her to work she said if I didn’t like it she would take our kid and I could leave.
Women don’t want to be engineers that’s why there are so few. It’s too hard. It’s a lot easier doing the “hardest job in the world”, you know, be a mom and living off your husband.
End of story.
Yeah, it’s not like there might be any other reasons beyond laziness and ingratitude, or anything.
I don’t have any pics, unfortunately, since I wasn’t living with Dad by that point. I know he hated the damn thing, though, and he did say that it didn’t feel very stable or safe.
“One quibble. Women have always worked.”
Ah yeah but very few were inventing and stuff.
I like how in Manland we have HDTV before the transistor and it’s still 50 years until we get the Internet.
But to answer your question, DKM, if progress had remained steady after 1900 it would have been disastrous. Progress has increased exponentially! In computing it’s called Moore’s Law.
Can someone just invent a game that’s a combination of steampunk and Gor for Meller to play so that he can get out all that anger in a more constructive way?
Yeah, gotta love it. There’ve been more technological advances in the past 100 years than the previous several centuries, but to DKM, that’s NOT FAST ENOUGH. And, of course, women’s fault.
Meller, at his point I would suggest that you give up on spewing your utter bullshit here and instead devote yourself full-time to writing speculative fiction.
That’s basically all you do anyway, so why waste your time with us? It’s not like we appreciate it. You can read it to your dolls if you need an audience.
“is feminism, and gender equality utterly unnatural? ”
No. Good and natural is two different things. Murder, for example, is in part natural but we have laws to forbid it.
Next question?
“it’s questionable that without [Mary Shelley] the idea would never have arisen but I digress”
She became famous not only because it was well written but because the story addressed the society’s anxiety caused by the fast and seemingly incontrollable development of science. So maybe somebody else could have done it. So what?
Oups, reading fail. Yes, feminism and gender equality is unnatural.
Extending educational opportunities to all people has had the effect of creating those breakthroughs.
The faster that you make it possible, the more likely you make life better for everyone, not just a few people.
I forgot, why is it women’s fault if we don’t have infinite energy?
@Kyrie
I watched. It’s Homer’s fault, and therefore all male, if we don’t have perpetual motion machines.
From the linked article above “Engineering and sexism”…
“One female student, Cassie Parkos, speaks about how hard it is to be an engineer, saying she gets whistled at, asked out…”
Oh the horrors! She get’s asked out. How dare anyone do such a sexist thing!
A woman in an engineering class is not an automatic invitation to sex.
“A woman in an engineering class is not an automatic invitation to sex.”
Tell me about it! Women in general want the “hottest” stud around and nothing less, but women in engineering are even more picky! I guess it’s because they have such a wide range of studs to select from since a woman is usually the only woman in a class full of dudes. Some classes I’ve had actually had TWO women in them!
Since when is asking a woman out equivalent to demanding sex? If I asked out a woman by demanding sex, I’m sure I’d be expelled and they’d just laugh, unless I was a total stud of course.
Simple rules for avoiding sexual harassment lawsuits:
1) Be handsome.
2) Be attractive.
3) Don’t be unattractive.
That pretty much sums up the “sexual harassment” thing.
Or possibly
4) Don’t sexually harrass people.
(i know, this might require you to consider classrooms as places of education and your job as a place of work, instead of, you know.. a meat market. you can if you try)
What’s totally weird is that some people who have been accused of sexual harassment by some women have also been dated by other women. Not all sexual harassers are single!
I’ll pause while your brain explodes.
So, what exactly, is “sexual harassment”? If I ask a woman out, while not being a total stud, is that considered “sexual harassment”?
Not generally, but there are quite a few ways that the asking out could become sexual harrassment depending on context, persistence, skeeviness, etc.
But you know this already.
This “asking out while ugly” thing is such a cover for every kind of sexual harassment I’ve ever experienced. None of which involved being asked at out at all! Instead I had one guy corner me in his office after work and try to trick me into watching porn with him (he asked me to watch his “art film,” then yelled at me for backing out when it turned out to be hardcore porn) and another guy joking in front of the entire office about me having sex with the only other woman in the company.
So much for your earnest, misunderstood suitors.
You seem to be having no problem with the word ‘sexual’ so I guess what must be tripping you up is the word ‘harrassment’.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/%27harassment
You’re welcome.
If she says no the first time then leave her alone. Otherwise you’re harassing her. I mean if I said, “Here, eat this tuna sandwich I made for you.” and you said no cos you didn’t like tuna, well it would be pretty unruly of me to force my tuna sandwich on you.
Tricking a person into watching porn is harassment I would say, but I’ve never done that and I would never try that either! Joking about a person’s sexual orientation or preferences is harassment too I would say.
But simply asking a woman out is certainly not “to trouble, torment, or confuse by continual persistent attacks, questions, etc”. Maybe if I kept asking every time I saw the woman or something. But if she says no, I just move on, simple as that.
Anyone who thinks asking a woman out once is “sexual harassment” needs their head examined.
I was lurking in conversation about the chilly climate in STEM, um, somewhere (Pharyngula?) and there was one particularly persistent young man talking how the idea that male engineering students would contribute to a chilly climate for female students was crazy. After all, they wanted more women! To expand the dating pool!
There was not enough facepalm in the world.
@DKM: I agree — much of the changes associated with feminism required laws.
Unlike you, I don’t see that a problem because TAH DAH, denying women equal access to education and employment and you know little things like voting and having a bank account in our own names REQUIRED LAWS too!
See, legally enforced oppression and discrimination is NOT natural: although kyriarchal ideology works through embedding the idea that it is natural (i.e. all the crap you think is natural, isn’t, but you think it is). Fighting legally enforced oppression can be done in part through LAWS — human beings are animals who create culture, and cultural changes operate through culture.
What you see as the epitome of marital relationships is profoundly unnatural (IF you look at the ways in which hunter-gatherer tribes survived for a gazillion years, way before they UNNATURALLY invented agriculture).
So I have NO problem with supporting the unnatural idea that women can have equal access and choice and opportunity.
And I’m going to die a lot happier than you, dude.