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Gödwindämmerung: Women who won’t date nerds are like Pol Pot

Note to angry dudes: Women not wanting to date you is not the equivalent of this.

There needs to be a Manboobz Addendum to Godwin’s Law to cover those who compare their lack of dating success to, you know, genocide. You may recall the charming Tumblr dude who equated dateless “nice guys” with persecuted Jews in Nazi Germany.

And now we have “white and nerdy,” the blogger behind Omega Virgin Revolt taking the datelessness=genocide thing a step or two further. As you might guess from the title of his blog, WAN doesn’t exactly have women beating a path to his door. Not even golddiggers, even though he is, he says, “a widly successful owner of my own business.” Women don’t even want to use him for his money? Why is that? Because he is not a — wait for it – “alpha” man.

Yep, it’s the same old dopey logic we’ve seen so, so many times before: Women won’t date me => therefore I’m not an alpha => therefore women won’t date anyone but alphas. WAN has added one more step to this illogical logic chaim: this makes them the equivalent of genocidal monstere:

The ideology that women act on is the ideology of Pol Pot, of the Killing Fields.  Women want non-alpha men purged and intelligence is considered by women to be a lack of alphaness in a man.  This is similar to the ideology that led to the killing fields.  Many of the millions who were murdered by the Khmer Rouge in the Killing Fields were murdered for showing signs of intelligence.  That included everything from education to the possesion of wristwatches and/or glasses.  If modern geeky hobbies had existed in Cambodia in the 70s, I’m sure that would have been included along with wristwatches and glasses as evidence of intelligence, and anyone interested in geeky hobbies would have been murdered too.

He’s making a could-not-possibly-be-more-strained reference to the whole Alyssa Bereznak/Jon Finkel kerfuffle. Bereznak, as most of you probably already know, wrote a sort of snarky, sort of stupid piece for Gizmodo about her date with Finkel, a champion Magic the Gathering player, and said some mean things about him and his geeky hobby. Pol Pot engineered the deaths of roughly 2 million people, many of them urban dwellers and intellectuals forced to relocate to collective farms in the countryside. Many died of starvation; others were shot – or beaten to death, in order to save on bullets.

So, yeah, Bereznak and Pol Pot are pretty much identical.

WAN continues:

[T] ideology of what women are doing now and what Pol Pot did are very similar.  The Killing Fields needed to be opposed for both moral and practical reasons and so must what women are doing now.  Rebel at The Spearhead said that women are engaged in a “holy crusade” against men. … The Khmer Rouge was also on a “holy crusade”.  As Rebel also said what is at stake is nothing less than civilization itself and your existence and freedom just as it was with the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.

In an earlier post pretty much making the identical, er, “argument,” WAN takes aim at comedian Julie Klausner, who recently published a memoir called I Don’t Care About Your Band: What I Learned from Indie Rockers, Trust Funders, Pornographers, Faux Sensitive Hipsters, Felons and Others. In her book, and in some interviews about the book, Klausner made some unflattering comments about “beta males” and “immature” men. This sends WAN into a rage:

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot would be proud of this cunt.  She all but calls for concentration camps for her “useless beta inferior men” who secretly run the world.  … 

Ah, classic weasel words: “All but calls for.” In other words, she doesn’t actually call for concentration camps, or even rock ‘n’ roll fantasy camps, for men in any way shape or form. Never mind. WAN continues:

Somehow these “straight angry nerds” who are “useless and inferior” took over the world when no one was looking and this cunt says “something needs to be done” about this “epidemic”.

This type of thinking is widespread among women.  …

[I]t’s no surprise that a lot of men are saying they think they would be better off with the Taliban running things.  While I’m not sure that isn’t just trading one set of problems for another … I understand what these men are thinking.  Anything has got to be better than this.

So: Nerdy men are “oppressed” by women who won’t date them. The solution to this imaginary oppression: oppress women for real.

I couldn’t make this shit up.

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kariface
kariface
10 years ago

@ KathleenB – I know, right? I was told that I wasn’t allowed to talk to this one guest at a con by a guy because I couldn’t understand what was going on because “as a girl, you couldn’t possibly understand the ramifications of having a female leader during the zombie apocalypse…” (It was at a zombie survival panel) The guest looked at him and told him to GTFO because he’d be a part of the zombie horde. It was hilarious! On the other side of the coin, I’ve had really rude women get in between me and a guest when I was trying to talk to them at a maid cafe. She wouldn’t shut up!

KathleenB
KathleenB
10 years ago

kariface: There’s a reason I’ve given up on most organized fandom. Nerds can be such assholes! Everyone can be an asshole, I know, but there seems to be a higher percentage amongst nerds.

KathleenB
KathleenB
10 years ago

And lol at the idea that women don’t understand the ramifications of women in leadership roles…

ozymandias42
ozymandias42
10 years ago

1) There is gender parity in a lot of “geek culture” stuff. Some things (gaming) skew more male; some things (fandom) skew more female. In general, if your gaming group isn’t ridiculously misogynist, the gender ratio will probably be bad but not incredibly bad (3:1, not 5:1).

1a) There are people who are legitimate geeks and go to parties.

2) One of the major reasons geeky guys don’t get laid is that a lot of them don’t pick up on flirting. I mean, really obvious flirting. “You’re pretty!” flirting.

3) I am a feminist, but if (bizarrely) Mary Daly ended up Feminazi Dictator, I would fight her to the death.

4) I am not, nor was I ever, a supporter of rape.

KathleenB
KathleenB
10 years ago

My current gaming groups consists of: Three men (one trans, one gay, one straight) and three women (two lesbian and one bi-and-married). Other groups I’ve gamed with have skewed more heavily female, oddly enough – maybe because my husband and I sought people out and made it clear that I would be involved (and not just in providing snacks)?

Fun gaming story: My very first experience GMing was running the 3rd edition preview adventure in the back of the Player’s Handbook for a bunch of guys in the back of a gaming store. I was the only readily-identifiable woman back there, and I was competing against an extremely rowdy Magic tournament. It took me three tries of asking politely for them to quiet down to realize that they just weren’t listening. So, I said ‘excuse me’ to the group I was running, dropped my book, and yelled ‘I’m trying to run a game her!’ at the top of my lungs at the Magic players. The looks on their faces! But they stfu and let me run in peace after that…

KathleenB
KathleenB
10 years ago

But that’s a tabletop RPG group – I know the demographics of online games are different. One outlier in terms of online gaming: Kingdom of Loathing. KoL is much, much more gender balanced than almost any MMO I’ve played or heard of. Plus, it’s a ton of fun and full of snarky pop culture references!

katz
10 years ago

I’ve never been the only girl in a D&D group; our upcoming one-shot is three (straight) married couples and one guy.

But yeah, it depends on the game. Warhammer is the worst!

KathleenB
KathleenB
10 years ago

katz: Even if I were remotely interested in (or could afford to play) Warhammer, the stories women have told me about playing would have turned me right the hell off.

TheTraducer
TheTraducer
10 years ago

I’d just like to say that I don’t consider any comparisons between me and Glenn Beck to be particularly apt. For instance, I don’t want to bomb Iran. And, yes, I want a cookie.
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mythago
10 years ago

@Kariface: You must be a saint.

An acquaintance of mine who is on the autism spectrum jokes about playing “Asperger’s or Asshole?” at gaming and SFF cons. I keep telling her some people multiclass.

Hershele Ostropoler
10 years ago

Ami:

I have a question… after reading the Omega man’s blog… how are the manginas getting laid? o_O

By finding someone attracted to the qualities I have, such as they are (yes, even the self-deprecation, though I think that’s more “tolerates” than “is attracted to”) rather than assuming all instances of Woman like the same things and whining that it’s SO UNFAIR.

MissPrism:

I love rhetorical terms. Tapinosis is my favourite. It’s the use of derogatory diction, like “Oooooo! TapinOsis!”

I learned a new word. Holly points out the misuse of tapinosis in a lot of the things she fisks.

Your gloss reminds me of the Monty Python flying lessons sketch. Though that’s also a misuse of tapinosis.

Luke (spelling fixed)

The MRA’s are using litotes and tapinosis too.

Wow. That’s the most blatant example I’ve ever seen of the “I’m rubber you’re glue” technique.

Leo Salloum:

But wouldn’t guys like OVS prefer women with whom he had something in common?

I think there’s a problem with the premise here, that OVS, like many of his ilk, think of women as an unknowable other, differing from AntZ in degree rather than kind. So in that view it’s literally impossible for a man to have something in common with a woman.

Pecunium:

The lurkes support me in e-mail is a usenet trope, it’s the, “everybody really agrees with me, but they are afraid to say so because all of you are so mean,” idea.

I never noticed before now, but it’s functionally equivalent to “I’m just saying what you’re all thinking.” I always wonder how, if the apparently unpopular beliefs are secretly the consensus view of the population, the PC Police manage to keep almost everyone from saying it out loud.

luke:

Fair and equal treatment is way down on the list of priorities. Feminisms biggest problem at the moment is that most women actually like men.

That’s such a hoary old stereotype that I can’t believe it’s still being dragged out.

luke:

Basically, according to this feminist, consensual sex between men and women is impossible.

I haven’t followed the link, but I’m familiar with Twisty’s general style. I suspect your interpretation is wrong or, at best, unnuanced. Even if it’s totally accurate, though, I hate to be all no-true-Scotswoman, but how do you justify generalizing from there to feminism as a whole?

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
10 years ago

Does feminism look like this?

You know what does look like that though, is the US tea partiers who are taking over the GOP. I got shivers and a little queasy reading your description.

Cluisanna
10 years ago

I know a lot of women (and am one too) that find intelligence in men incredibly sexy. So either he is trying the wrong women, or he isn’t as intelligent as he thinks he is (what his thoughts on this matter imply).

Marcy
Marcy
10 years ago

The good kind of nerd does not care about sex this much (unless its 2Ds).

A better name for WAN would be “Creepy Degenerate Psycho”. I just find it strange that he considers himself nerdy (or intelligent!)

I find people like him using the nerd word gives other nerds a bad image. The nerds I know are fun, cute and interesting…and respect women.

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