No one should be turning to the neo-Nazi online tabloid The Daily Stormer for dating advice, but on the off chance that you are, I have to warn you that they don’t know what they’re talking about.
I mean, they don’t know what they’re talking about when it comes to pretty much everything, but in this case their ignorance involves what actually went on in the supposed 1950s cultural paradise they want to return us to, forcibly if necessary.
In a post with the sarcastic title “Dating Advice: The Key to Good Relationships is Cheating on Your Boyfriends,” regular Daily Stormer contributor “Zeiger” takes aim at a “fat Paki skag” dating expert who has the temerity to argue that women searching for “the One” should date a bunch of guys casually before committing to one of them.
I know, shocking.
Well, it is to Zeiger.
Not so long ago, women didn’t feel like they needed dating advice. After all, they just had to stand around somewhere until a man came to them and took care of everything for them.
All they had to worry about was serving him beer and cooking his food right so he didn’t dump their ungrateful asses.
Zeiger illustrates this point with a magazine illustration from the 1950s depicting happy teenage girls learning to bake a cake, so it’s pretty clear what romanticized past Zeiger is harking back to.
Alas, we have fallen so far from this imaginary paradise!
But in the era of NUMALE faggots and Jew feminism, women are confused. They think it’s somehow their job to understand relationships. This is already a completely insane concept.
But it gets worse.
These days, they’re getting their relationship advice from insane Paki sluts.
The “Paki slut” in question is a “relationship coach” named Sami Wunder who was recently featured in the British tabloid The Express. Despite Zeiger’s headline, Wunder does not actually suggest that women cheat on their boyfriends. Rather, she recommends that women looking for a husband date multiple men, non-exclusively, holding off on serious committment until one of them pops the question.
Whatever you think of this advice, it’s hardly “cheating” to date more than one person when you’re not in an exclusive relationship, presuming everyone is on the up and up on this.
Zeiger is outraged by the very idea.
I guarantee that no real man would “put a ring” on the finger of some hoe who cheated on him with a bunch of other guys. A “man” so pussy-whipped would more appropriately be called a “humanoid slug.” …
What this shows is the urgent need women have for stable, healthy relationships. And that is something that can only be provided by WHITE SHARIA – not fat Paki whore dating advice.
Zeiger’s anger here seems to stem from the same mix of entitlement and insecurity that drives the alt-right obsession with “cucks” and “cucking.” These are men who, on some level, feel entitled to any attractive woman who wanders into their field of vision, and feel betrayed — even “cucked” — when any of these women date or marry or just have sex with some guy other than them.
But we’re not just entitlement we’re dealing with here. More than a few alt-rightist dudes — and manosphere dudes generally — fetishize nubile young virgins, not just because they’re creepy dudes who are way too into women and girls far too young for them, but because virgins have no way to compare their sexual prowess with other men. Many manosphere dudes are quite open about this anxiety, complaining that women who’ve been with more than one guy will endlessly compare them with their earlier partners.
These are the same guys who go around boasting about what “alphas” they are.
But there’s another giant irony in Zeiger’s piece: dating in the 1950s, at least at the start of the decade, looked a lot more like Wunder’s world than Zeigers in some crucial respects.
In the 40s and early 50s, teenagers were encouraged to “play the field,” casually dating an assortment of not-quite-steady partners rather than committing to a single person.
It wasn’t until later in the decade that teens began to shift en masse to the more familiar (to us, that is) strategy of “going steady.” And far from welcoming this new monogamy, many parents were horrified. Magazines at the time were filled with alarming articles on the supposedly grave dangers of going steady.
Here’s one from 1960 warning teens that going steady might be “too dangerous” for them.
Here’s one from 1957 examining the potential “immorality” of going steady.
And here’s a graphic from a pamphlet or magazine article from the era wondering when it was “too early” for teens to go steady.
And parents actually had some legitimate reasons to worry. On the one hand, they worried that teens who “went steady” without dating around first would settle down with the first person of the opposite sex who was nice to them, not realizing they could have done better.
On the other hand, they worried that teens who “went steady” would also end up going further sexually — which could lead, as sex often does, to pregnancy and too-early marriage. Indeed, the age of first marriage dropped precipitously in the 1950s as more teens married, helping to contribute to the spiraling divorce rates of the 1960s and 1970s as these too-hasty marriages fell apart.
It was kind of a screwed-up decade; happily, the sexual revolution of the 1960s convinced a hefty chunk of Americans young and old that 1) sex isn’t the end of the world and 2) it isn’t always such a great idea for teens to settle down forever with the very first person they have sex with.
The weird thing is that the 1950s parents, for all their faults, were more interested in girls and young women having choices than are the alt-rightists of today.
Parents in the 1950s worried that their daughters would end up getting too seriously involved with the wrong guys because they had no good basis for comparison.
Alt-rightists and manosphere dudes today are apparently afraid that no women will settle for them if they realize there are other men out there who aren’t, you know, reactionary racists who think women shouldn’t really be allowed to make their own decisions about anything.
I’m thinking they’re probably right to worry about this. And I’m glad.
@Franscesca : if you have money, it’s soooo fun. If you don’t, well. I would not do that if I were you.
Note that, while as usual the more different you look the worst it will be, being a white french isn’t a protection against racism in small town. Being poor, from the wrong (french) region, from the wrong social group, or anything else is quickly latched on to put blame on you for basically anything. In WW2, there were a lot more people willing to turn in jews than willing to sabotage trains . The 1/3 of naked fascists that have voted for Le Pen don’t come from nowhere.
The one thing that amuse me is to see that white, affluent friends are litteraly never checked for identity paper or subway tickets ; I am checked about once or twice per month ; some (affluent) arab friend are checked every week. I guess it’s worse for actual suburb arab inhabitants.
Also, my grandmother actually ran in fear at the end of the WW2. A black GI stopped in her village, and since she never had seen a black people before she though it was some kind of abomination or demon.
It was an extrem case even for 1945, but I think it explain a lot of things about racism in France and how it’s subtly different from racism in America. Non-white aren’t uppity ex-servants to be put at their place, they are newcomers that should continue their travel elsewhere.
@Arctic
Guaranteed the actually evil people woulda celebrated had they won. Ours did. Murican as I am, I consider stopping fascists at the gate to be a victory. Vive la France!
@Ohlmann
Hmmm… Interesting. Thanks for the insight 🙂
Ohlmann, you reminded me of when I lived in Paris for a while – I was never stopped, but my boyfriend (who had been living there considerably longer) was stopped every few days. Instead of just showing his ID, he used to respond by raising his hands and/or putting his hands up against the wall of the metro tunnel, very visibly assuming the position to be frisked. That used to piss them off quite a bit sometimes, I gather. (Yes, it was a piss-take – but only partly. The reason he was actually in Europe at all, on a UN refugee travel document, was because the police disappeared people where he came from. So he did it as a joke-but-also-not-a-joke-at-all, if you see what I mean).
I think “black people don’t like boats” is another one of those “subtle” racist stereotypes/sayings, referring back to slave ships. I’ve definitely seen PoC having fun on boats.
@ fran
Lots of black people work at sea. It is normal 🙂 do not listen to others.
And in my company we had a 2nd engineer who went home, and transition from male to female and came back. She was very brave but no one fucked with her i promise, only telling the story. She gone to different company now i think. Also definately lots of gay and lesbian and bisexual people at sea.
@Valentine
Thanks!
You may be wondering why us Americans are terrified of every goddamn thing, and, yes, our collective culture is one of constant fear. Everyone is out to get you or harm you, and it’s a big scary world out there there.
It’s an awful experience to live in fear. The war on Terror and the ensuing panic has consumed us all. In a small way, Bin Laden was the victor in this conflict; we’re all like scared, bellowing cattle now.
Think back to when I was shocked you ride in cars with strange people. Over here, we are all firmly convinced doing such a thing is a death sentence.
@Axecalibur
@Ohl
You find it interesting, but you must be a bigger person than me!
I find it distressingly problematic and even worse than American racism.
It’s like, they just want you to never set foot in their old, storied, superior European lands. You aren’t even worthy of sullying their soil with your flesh.
And…Honestly, I am not surprised.
See, I’m a European history buff. I read that post and immediately harkened back to the Medievalera where people from a village a few miles away were considered subhuman weirdos – even if they were the same color as you!
Warren Ellis’s “Crecy” does a good job of portraying the xenophobic attitudes that were the norm in Europe during Medieval Ages. I highly suggest you read it.
I imagine that the fantasy tropes of elves and dwarves and gnomes and orcs and trolls partially arises from how people back then viewed foreigners as being demibeast-like subhumans.
To put it in a nutshell, Europe has a long and storied and perhaps even celebrated history of racism and it should not be hidden from view.
Nor should we ignore it.
I don’t like to talk about it because I have been lectured severely (and read many a lengthy jeremiad by frustrated Europeans) about how we crude Americans shouldn’t try to force our social justice ideas about racism upon them, and how our worries about racism are strictly an American thing.
@ fran
If you can ever make it to Britain I’ll take you to Yorkshire.
“This is a local shop; for local people!”
@ Fran
I think you are right about fear in USA but i only know what people have told me or what i read before. But also, with donald trump now truly is something to fear. Sorry if that sounds hopeless.
About lifts, everyone is strange so no problem ? but seriously, could also be i am a man and not afraid or not have such big risk to me. Also i get lifts when i am with friends, not alone. And also i am afraid here too sometimes – lots of nazis and nationalist. Some places, if you dont speak good ukranian (like me, i speak russian and english, but not good ukranian because my parents from russia) – you can be in a big danger from ukr nationalist, because they think you are russia supporter. They will ask you a question on ukranian language and if you dont give correct respons…well, i dont know. Run fast!
Hitch hiking used to be common in the US, but then there were some high profile serial killers who preyed on hitch hikers.
Francesca, you did not cause me any distress whatsoever. Absolutely none.
And I do wish you the very best, in all your endeavors.
@lindseyirene
This is not like hich hiking, more like nonoffical taxi ;)) its not for free not normally
@Fran
Interesting don’t mean good or acceptable. Just means it made me think
TBF, white people in this country say racism is strictly a past thing. At least Europeans deflect to another country, our assholes deflect to a bygone region of spacetime
@ Valentine
Like a less formal Uber or Lyft, then?
@ Fran
Don’t feel bad about bringing up jobs! There’s no way to predict what might cause a dust-up. Even a comment about kittens can make things go sideways. And I learned about Khan Academy, which is awesome.
@Viscaria
The subchapters are pretty short, so they can be taken in bursts, and Diamond’s writing flows pretty well too, I find.
@Fran
I am making considerable progress on a plan for such a collective, and am nearing being able to put together a formal crowdfunding proposal and start seeking grants. There’s a link in my nym to a forum I set up, but the facebook group’s more active. (The forum is set up because a) not everyone has facebook, b) people can be arbitrarily banned from facebook and Social Justice types get it a lot, and c) some people have valid worries about a certain degree of anonymity.
Then they’d have to explain my classmates and I… the explanation posted earlier, IIRC by GrumpyOldMangina, the educational system is terrible on that (and many other) fronts (I could write a book on the reasons why the U.S. education system is so fucked, many have, but the short answer is racism.)
[Image: A purple dragon* saying “Aww, shucks, that’s super nice of you”]
*I don’t actually know what dragon; looks pony-adjacent?
I’m writing a historical fantasy novel about a pirate queen right now, as it happens. 🙂
I firmly believe there’s a strong future in robotic/remote space infrastructure. Actual tinned apes, not so much. Barring artificial gravity of some kind, humans are pretty much fucked in terms of long-term space habitation.
To get a degree in Computer Science, you need calculus. I never used it in any of my coding classes, and I’ve met a number of people who work as coders who don’t know any, so I don’t know why. Also, that’s why I don’t have a computer science degree; calculus defeated me entirely.
Also gay and trans people (e.g. Yiannapolous and Jenner), the sheer ahistorical gall of which is equally astonishing.
@Valentine
Oh, it’s totally true. Reckless fearmongering is a way of life in the States.
Well, I am VERY late to the party, and it seems I’ve missed the traditional dust-up, and the sweeping up of the broken glass and such.
Re: jobs. When my job was changing perforce (my bosses in the small office where I worked were both retiring, and the person taking over the business and I disliked each other), I was at a loss. Luckily I had the luxury of time to plan.
I went to a psychologist who specialized in vocational counseling. I know not everyone has that resource available, but if you do… I found it very helpful. While the testing only revealed one real surprise (I’m not as introverted as I thought!), it did push me into a field I wouldn’t have considered otherwise, and I’ve been very happy with my work. There might even be online resources you could use.
@Francesca, if you are really considering signing on to work on a boat, ship, or ferry AND you have a good eye, consider taking a camera along. I, for one, am totally fascinated by weather phenomena of all types and would happily sign up for your blog. 🙂
What Valentine is describing (paying for rides in cars with strangers) is also known as “gypsy cab” in the US. It’s a cab ride, without having city/state approval. Generally there are no phone numbers or logos on the vehicle. Frequently illegal within city limits, safety varies widely, safer if you’re with a group.
Uber and Lyft left my local large city because it implemented a “Must meet basic safety standards and a fingerprint background check, just like the local cab companies” ordinance. Then Uber/Lyft forced a referendum, wanting people to vote “for” the proposition they wrote. The 2 companies spent more than $8 million on direct mail, prime time TV ads, and “voter registration” phone calls telling people to vote against it in a referendum. Enough that people started getting annoyed at all the mail, TV, and phone calls. Plus they didn’t like the fact that it was basically 2 large corporations trying to force a city to do things their way, or threatening to leave. Despite all the money, and the “discounted/free Uber rides to the polls“, it lost by about 5%.
@Alan
That is exactly what I’m talking about and I am glad you supported my words with your own ; to prove I know my stuff, I also am aware of the English North/South feud/rivalry.
Honestly, a sterile, inhuman, purely historical part of me WANTS English people to remain provincial and xenophobia because then we can look at them tell us to go back to (country or town) and say “This is what Feudal Englishpeople were like. Many ages ago, if you were a Knight or a Lady (because medieval history fans think literally everyone was a princess or a knight or a lady or a Lord*) from another town, they would talk to you exactly like that.”
I’d segue off into a thing about how the English view Scots, Irish, and Welsh as also being subhuman weirdos, but you already know about that and you don’t need me to talk about things we already know.
@PeeVee
Thank you very much! Have an internet hug from me (if you consensually agree to it, of course).
@Dalillama
I want to read this.
Have you seen Blair White, the racist white transwoman? She’s on Le Youtube.
Her videos about why she doesn’t have sex with black men and how there are only two genders are some bomb ass shit, and by bomb ass shit I mean fucking awful.
@Iseult
Where’s Tristan? 😀
Also, I will do as you say!
omg omg omg want
@Lindsay
Same.
@Francesca,
Since you asked, a hug is definitely welcomed. ?
@Fran, LindsayIrene
Y’all are giving me a blush. I’ll have to write faster 🙂
@Fran + Lindsay
I’ve actually read what @Dali’s written so far, and it’s really good stuff. Can’t wait for y’all to be able to read it 🙂
*builds anticipation, markets product stealthily*
Okay, so I signed up for Khan Academy and I am AMAZING at third grade math.
(I figured I better start at the beginning, and see if there are any tricks or something. I like how the presenter subtracts in their head, I’m going to see if I can implement that IRL for faster multiple digit subtractions. I will amaze all my friends! Wow co-workers!)
@Dalillama: I think your pirate queen book would be pretty cool.
@Franscesca Torpedo: I try to remember that every horrible group will always find someone in the people they oppress who likes them… But I’m still puzzled.
I mean, I get that it’s ‘don’t hate me like all THOSE xyz, I’m cool like you!’ style of protection. But whyyyyy?
It’s frustrating to have a discussion with someone and then they go ‘yeah, but Milo likes trump so obviously not alllll LGBT+ people hate him’. OKAY GOOD YOU FOUND ONE. Should I point out that some people seriously consider the earth flat?
I had take calculus for my accounting degree, and it never made any sense to me either. Statistics was worse.