Over on Return of Kings, one of the internet’s prime repositories of misogynistic garbage, a headline asks: “Are Women Careless With Contraception Because They Love The Attention From Getting An Abortion?”
SPOILER ALERT: Yes, at least according to RoK contributor David Garrett Brown.
As Brown sees it, contraception is just so darn cheap, and so completely foolproof, that women who get pregnant must be doing it on purpose.
From the ditzy cashier girl in her mid twenties to the deplorably feminist gender studies graduate, women are continually getting themselves pregnant, despite most of them not wanting a child … But why? If abortion involves such a traumatic choice, even for women who are pro-abortion, why do they subject themselves to a form of masochism easily averted by just using a condom and either a pill or contraceptive implant?
Well, you know how ladies are. They love attention nearly as much as clickbait-headline-writing editors at Return of Kings do.
Put simply, women want the attention that comes from both abortion and debates about abortion. …
Playing the abortion card, despite the ease with which 99% of abortion situations can be avoided, enables women to portray themselves as oppressed pieces of oestrogen-producing meat.
And of course a lot of them enjoy that whole “killing a baby” thing.
Many of them also adore the decision-making capability they can wield in having a foetus inside of them and deciding that it will not ever breathe outside the womb.
Brown confesses that he has mixed feelings about abortion itself.
Low birth rates have essentially destroyed the vitality of Western cultures, so on that count I find it in practical terms a form of social suicide. Conversely, feminists love abortions more than any other group and so them failing to reproduce as much is a win for society.
But, damn girls, why do you have to be so darn irresponsible?
What I find disdainful [sic] is that most women get themselves to the abortion stage in the first place. So much public energy, which could be better channelled in solving truly hard problems, is wasted on correcting the lack of responsibility on the part of sexually active women.
If you do not want to face either an abortion or having a child, do not get pregnant. It is literally that f**king simple. But if, like many women, you want a form of perverse attention and victimhood, abortion and fighting about abortion are great ways to achieve this ignoble aim.
Brown’s insistence that contraceptive failures are are pretty much always the woman’s fault might seem a tad ironic, given that the founder of Return of Kings, the unlovely and untalented Roosh Valizadeh, loves to boast about the number of times he’s been able to pressure or trick women into letting him “raw dog” them — that is, to have sex with them without a condom.
Indeed, in one post he offered men hoping to “raw dog” their dates some helpful tips. One useful technique: just plain lying about whether or not you’ve been tested for STDs:
She’ll ask if you’ve been tested. Say “Yes.” Don’t worry, she won’t ask when you were tested, how many girls you f**ked raw since you were tested, and what you were actually tested for. Even if you’ve never been tested, you can say “Not recently, but I’m 99% sure I don’t have anything,” and that’ll be just fine for her.
Or you could ignore her “no” and just start having sex with her sans condom, without her permission.
When gearing up for the second act of sex, just diddle her vagina with your dick and stuff it in. If she objects, get a condom and try again next time. By the fourth of fifth time, you’ll be banging raw guaranteed.
As you can see, Roosh has a rather expansive notion of what counts as consensual sex.
Roosh has sometimes worried that he might get AIDS from all this unsafe sex. But he doesn’t seem quite so worried that any of the women he’s, well, donated his sperm to will get pregnant. Possibly because he believes in magic. Possibly because he regularly moves from country to country. Possibly because he’s given so many of these women a fake name. And possibly because he’s a narcissistic, exploitative sh*tstain who really doesn’t care about anything that doesn’t personally affect him.
Whatever the reason, it does seem not just ridiculous but also just a teensy bit hypocritical for Roosh’s Return of Kings to suggest that it’s women who are almost entirely to blame for unwanted pregnancies.
Taking a page from a troll of about a month ago:
Yes, of course, we get pregnant for attention. And of course we get abortions for attention.
And you are paying attention, aren’t you? In fact, you can’t stop thinking about us. Entire websites — entire movements! — are devoted to us. We’re on your minds all the time.
Therefore we win!
(Because everyone knows that attention is the ultimate currency. We can’t be bothered looking inside ourselves, giving ourselves our own attention — reflecting on ourselves, meditating, doing yoga — to get our energy. We depend on the attention of others for our energy. And the manosphere has been so obliging! No, of course we don’t mind the death threats. Thanks, guyz!)
I’m going to point out that even his base premise contains a major flaw:
Yes, for some women, getting an abortion is a difficult, even traumatic choice. This is most often in cases where the woman wants to abort the pregnancy because she cannot afford a child, or the pregnancy results from a rape. However, for some (many?) women, it’s simply a medical procedure, necessitated by circumstance, but nothing more serious than any outpatient procedure, particularly during the first few months.
What little trauma exists for women in the latter category is solely the product of asshat protestors and others who feel they’re more qualified to judge than the patient herself about whether or not she should be permitted to abort her pregnancy.
Glenn is the new Walter. Say his name and he appears!
Of course, he stopped trying to have a point or an argument a long time ago, so each return is increasingly boring.
The [sic] after ‘disdainful’ is fucking me up
“Raw Dog” is the worst thing I’ve ever heard. First, ew! Second, don’t bring my or any other dog into your rapey bullshit
Also, pills, implants, and abortions just grow on trees, so simple and easy to procure, under any and all circumstances, and unrelated to any state or local statutes
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@ snorkmaiden
As I’ve pointed out on here before, men also have access to any kind of contraception besides female prescription hormonal birth control, not just condoms, vasectomy or abstinence. If they were really concerned about unplanned pregnancy, they have a lot more options than most even consider.
Because every birth control method has a failure rate, which is exacerbated by imperfect typical use? Is that too logical?
Apparently, for Return of Dorks, it is.
Pro tip, dudes: Women are NOT natural masochists. And nobody wants the kind of adverse attention an abortion brings. If you think we do, you’re cordially invited to thread a protest line in front of a women’s clinic anytime. Maybe they’ll slut-shame YOU for a change.
LOL, I was not expecting that. +1, Glenn, +1.
No, I’m being hyperbolic now. As in, exaggerating the position held by another person in order to mock it. Perhaps you missed the heavy use of italics as sarcasm?
Good grief. Why do they never understand humour?
(oh wait, because playing dumb and reading it straight gives the the opportunity to be offended. I bet that’s why.)
Do you carry condoms, Glenn? You should do your part to deny women the absolute pleasure of obtaining an abortion.
Glenn is so emotional and easily offended. He should listen to the rational women.
If only they existed.
Sick burn there, cupcake. 10 out of 10, would read again for the upteenth time because such statements have been used against women for hundreds of years and is no way new.
I think it’s impossible to tell whether Roosh is exaggerating about something or not aside from when accusers corroborate aspects of his stories. He says stuff to sell more books. If he truly is having unprotected sex with tons of women then he’s probably passed on a few STD’s.
How long until Glenn gets to the “neener-neener” stage, I wonder?
(and is it the same Glenn, or a troll who just saw his name and decided to put on his skin? the world may never know 😮 )
Shut up, Glenn.
Maybe he figured that his former pink geographic shape was too beta. Women only like being harassed by geographic shapes that are of a manly and alpha color like green. Brad Pitt’s probably green shapes when he trolls.
Just chiming in to say +1,000,000 to those who were calling out this doofus for saying:
Yeah. Sisters are doing it [to/for/by] themselves. That’s right. Keep telling yourselves that.
Morons.
@weirwood – Only 73 hours until the next Game of Thrones! Woo-hoo!
I’m sure that unplanned pregnancies have nothing to do with pushy guys who are too whiny, pushy, petulant, and manipulative to take a now. Nothing at all.
(Note for Glenn: That was sarcasm. Expert mode sarcasm, because i didn’t use identifying italics! Hope that clears it up!)
@scildfreja – Nope, I’m a Trojan man myself.
Can’t wait for the Tower of Joy! Ned Stark would never hit on random women just trying to go about their day. He’s way too good for that shit!
Shorter Glenn: LOOK AT ME! I NEED YOUR ATTENTION!
So… is a Trojan Man like a Trojan Horse, as in a giant wooden statue of a dude filled with dudes who want to murder you in your sleep?
Or are Trojan Men more like the computer viruses? You know, the ones that try to convince you they’re really just an innocent little file that’s totally inconsequential and they’re totally not going to let their creator goof around in your hard drive, no sir-ree!
[that was sarcasm]
Glenn, with all due respect, no one here is really all that interested in what protection you personally choose to use.
No Glenn-TMI required or requested. Thanks.
I wasn’t talking about you at all in that phrase, Glenn! I was talking about the blind, heartless, egotistical jackasses from RoK in the original post! The ones who claim that women getting pregnant is all the women’s fault, and that they aren’t responsible f-
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ohhhhhhhh
(note: even if you’re wearing a condom, if she gets pregnant you’re still as responsible as she for the outcome)
They want to have unprotected sex then blame women for gettig abortions despite chances are, they aren’t going to raise the kid, then blame the women for raising the kid, or finding someone else other than them.
Hey RoK
If you’re that obsessed with unprotected sex but don’t want to make kids.
I thought it was because they subscribed to the School of Thought that “Women Aren’t Funny Unless they’re the Butt of My Jokes About Abusing Them”.