Over on Return of Kings, one of the internet’s prime repositories of misogynistic garbage, a headline asks: “Are Women Careless With Contraception Because They Love The Attention From Getting An Abortion?”
SPOILER ALERT: Yes, at least according to RoK contributor David Garrett Brown.
As Brown sees it, contraception is just so darn cheap, and so completely foolproof, that women who get pregnant must be doing it on purpose.
From the ditzy cashier girl in her mid twenties to the deplorably feminist gender studies graduate, women are continually getting themselves pregnant, despite most of them not wanting a child … But why? If abortion involves such a traumatic choice, even for women who are pro-abortion, why do they subject themselves to a form of masochism easily averted by just using a condom and either a pill or contraceptive implant?
Well, you know how ladies are. They love attention nearly as much as clickbait-headline-writing editors at Return of Kings do.
Put simply, women want the attention that comes from both abortion and debates about abortion. …
Playing the abortion card, despite the ease with which 99% of abortion situations can be avoided, enables women to portray themselves as oppressed pieces of oestrogen-producing meat.
And of course a lot of them enjoy that whole “killing a baby” thing.
Many of them also adore the decision-making capability they can wield in having a foetus inside of them and deciding that it will not ever breathe outside the womb.
Brown confesses that he has mixed feelings about abortion itself.
Low birth rates have essentially destroyed the vitality of Western cultures, so on that count I find it in practical terms a form of social suicide. Conversely, feminists love abortions more than any other group and so them failing to reproduce as much is a win for society.
But, damn girls, why do you have to be so darn irresponsible?
What I find disdainful [sic] is that most women get themselves to the abortion stage in the first place. So much public energy, which could be better channelled in solving truly hard problems, is wasted on correcting the lack of responsibility on the part of sexually active women.
If you do not want to face either an abortion or having a child, do not get pregnant. It is literally that f**king simple. But if, like many women, you want a form of perverse attention and victimhood, abortion and fighting about abortion are great ways to achieve this ignoble aim.
Brown’s insistence that contraceptive failures are are pretty much always the woman’s fault might seem a tad ironic, given that the founder of Return of Kings, the unlovely and untalented Roosh Valizadeh, loves to boast about the number of times he’s been able to pressure or trick women into letting him “raw dog” them — that is, to have sex with them without a condom.
Indeed, in one post he offered men hoping to “raw dog” their dates some helpful tips. One useful technique: just plain lying about whether or not you’ve been tested for STDs:
She’ll ask if you’ve been tested. Say “Yes.” Don’t worry, she won’t ask when you were tested, how many girls you f**ked raw since you were tested, and what you were actually tested for. Even if you’ve never been tested, you can say “Not recently, but I’m 99% sure I don’t have anything,” and that’ll be just fine for her.
Or you could ignore her “no” and just start having sex with her sans condom, without her permission.
When gearing up for the second act of sex, just diddle her vagina with your dick and stuff it in. If she objects, get a condom and try again next time. By the fourth of fifth time, you’ll be banging raw guaranteed.
As you can see, Roosh has a rather expansive notion of what counts as consensual sex.
Roosh has sometimes worried that he might get AIDS from all this unsafe sex. But he doesn’t seem quite so worried that any of the women he’s, well, donated his sperm to will get pregnant. Possibly because he believes in magic. Possibly because he regularly moves from country to country. Possibly because he’s given so many of these women a fake name. And possibly because he’s a narcissistic, exploitative sh*tstain who really doesn’t care about anything that doesn’t personally affect him.
Whatever the reason, it does seem not just ridiculous but also just a teensy bit hypocritical for Roosh’s Return of Kings to suggest that it’s women who are almost entirely to blame for unwanted pregnancies.
I guess I missed the crowds of women getting attention and/or playing the victim for their abortions.
This, um, line of “reasoning” is just so fractally wrong, I can’t even.
I find it really aggravating that people jump from: someone is pro-choice (i.e. abortion is a personal decision that does not concern me; it is legal her in the US – for now – and the specifics of any one person’s decision is not my business) to that someone wants to have lots of abortions and wants other people to have lots of abortions.
Personally, I think it would be better if no women ever had to have abortions, but life is not perfect and I am not in other people’s circumstances.
In too many states, getting an abortion has become extremely difficult to obtain if not entirely impossible. Plus any attention given to women getting abortions is often very negative.
These men are jokers if they really believe that women get any medical treatment for publicity.
“From the ditzy cashier girl in her mid twenties”
UGH dont tell me ive actually, unknowingly met one of these assholes
Because as always, women never do anything- ANYTHING- for their own sake. It’s all to get attention from other people, especially men. Of course it is.
Excuse me, I just rolled my eyes so hard I saw my own skull.
The OP is another example of Poe’s Law: I can’t tell whether the article is sincere or an outrageous parody. I first heard this claim that “abortion makes women the center of attention” in this Onion article from 1999.
Many contraceptives have side effects; though most women will be able to find one they can use, they aren’t all equally effective. And cheap? That depends on how you define cheap.
And I’ve heard many men refuse the condom. It’s her responsibility to avoid getting pregnant – that’s their justification. It’s not as hard for men to avoid responsibility as some of these RoK types would have you believe.
And getting screamed at and spit on, or otherwise called murderer, is not a very pleasant form of attention. Some women lose family members, friends, and other loved ones if admitting to an abortion.
I think this is similar to the theories about the prevailance of false rape accusations. By which I mean the belief that women make this stuff up or somehow make it happen in a deliberate manner. There is confusion over the difference between women deliberately gaining attention by pretending to be a victim, and women (often not) getting support during tough times. Also applicable, confusion over basic anatomy and the selfishness of thinking consent and birth control are just getting in the way of your fun. Oh, and Roosh is a bellend, that is all.
Ugh, really? It seems like “It could be true” is all the burden of proof these shitbricks need. Like, as soon as they stumble on some idea that affirms their outlook, they immediately take it as gospel, whether or not it’s even consistent with the other ideas they’ve taken as gospel.
My oldest brother condom baby, my second oldest brother coil baby, my third oldest brother pill baby, me minipill and breastfeeding baby, my sister pill baby. Wanna say that contraception is 100% effective again fella?
And also “Diddle her vagina” What age is that guy? 12? It sounds like his on the playground, loudly announcing that he totally had the sex, you guys!
It’s always so hilarious whenever these guys talk, because they make it perfectly clear they don’t know a damn thing about how a human body with a uterus works.
If it’s your sperm, you share blame in getting someone pregnant. Because it’s not possible for a person with a uterus to get pregnant without viable sperm from someone with testicles.
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And yeah! We totally want attention for abortions! We love it when we’re told what immoral, murdering, sluts we are because we’re “killing our babies”!
We love being harassed by “pro-life” protesters when we walk into a Planned Parenthood, even if we’re not getting an abortion!
We love seeing things like this [TW for graphic images of fetuses] being shoved in our faces all the time and we love being escorted into a medical facility because of harassment from people who believe that we’re going to their version of hell because we dared to do something they morally disagree with!
We love being told by these people that we should have these babies because they’re “Gifts from God”, even though they won’t lift a finger to help raise them, or provide anything for their care post-birth.
We love being harassed by people who think we should die instead of aborting an already dead fetus that could kill us.
We love having our rights debated and taken away from us by rich old white men who don’t even know how vaginas work! We love the fact that we can’t get birth control with medical insurance, despite the fact that it helps regulate menstrual cycles and can help prevent ovarian cancer, while people with penises can get viagra on their insurance no problem!
We love hearing sleezebags on RoK accuse us of “getting ourselves pregnant” because of course we want to go through nine months of physical pain and having our organs shoved up into our rib cages just so we can torment them with the idea that they’d have to take care of a child they helped create!
Obviously, everything we do, despite if it could kill us or not, is solely to hurt them.
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Of course, if they ever did meet a “pro-life” girl and get her pregnant, and she insisted upon carrying the child because she’s “pro-life” and doesn’t want an abortion, I’m sure they’d pitch just as much of a fit because then they’d be expected to care for it because their sperm helped make the baby.
Yay, double standards!
I don’t remember the statistics, but I know a very large minority of women have had an abortion. But few women openly talk about it. It’s really stigmatized. What world is this guy living in that he thinks we deliberately get pregnant just to have an abortion?
Also, it’s not necessarily a traumatic decision. I’ve never had an abortion, but I have met plenty of women who did, have no regrets, and found it and easy choice. That’s not to take away from anyone who did struggle with the decision. Their feelings are valid too. But I hate that the narrative around abortion is that it’s some sort of necessary evil no one wants
I consider myself not just pro choice, but pro abortion.
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This. Plus, Paradoxy’s entire rant.
I have aided and abetted two friends’ abortions; one in the late ’70s, the other in the mid ’80s. Both with the cross-my-heart-hope-to-die, pinkie swear promise to never speak of them to anyone. And I never have.
And they do it for the attention? My big, fat, fluffy ass they do!
ETA: I have changed certain facts about said abortions, so I’ve still never spoken of them.
I have one niece who is a condom baby, and I have personally caused a condom pregnancy. And let me say, after witnessing first hand what a woman goes through both during and after an abortion, the idea that any woman would treat it as lightly as these fucks imagine women do is completely unthinkable to me. It makes as much sense as breaking my finger to get time off work.
What an irresponsible, lying, victim blaming pile of pond scum. What is protection and sperm, and I can’t take a guy seriously when the person in charge is a serial rapist who, by indication of him getting kicked out of multiple venues and videos, is now by web views and opinion of the decent folk, a has been.
Fun Fact: I was also a condom baby. And I think my little brother was as well. My little sister was planned though.
hypocritical? yes. inconsistent? not at all. according to RoK dogma, women are to blame for everything.
First thing I thought when I woke up this morning was “I think I’ll go have some fun and get an abortion! I’ll call some buds to see if they want to make an day of it!”
How absurd are these guys, anyway?
and I “love” the wording of “getting themselves pregnant” as if no man was at all involved in the process, like they’re engaging in budding, or some other form of asexual reproduction.
“Contraceptives exist! Therefore women have no excuse for unwanted pregnancy!”
…You know what else exists? Dictionaries, encyclopedias, Google, fact-checking, critical thinking skills, and real-world counterexamples. There really is no excuse for blue-hot stupidity of this magnitude.
There is no bottom to the barrel that is RoK.
I have a suggestion for young men who want to reduce the abortion rates, they should avoid having sex or get the snip.
Even AVFM has a philosophical treatise on not using condoms and how it’s oppression to interfere with their pleasure, but if depositing their sperm directly into female reproductive organs results in a pregnancy suddenly it’s all “This is not my responsibility! I was tricked! Help! Entrapment!”
I’ve taken the morning after pill once and had an abortion once. Both times because the guy I was with messed up the contraception. Neither was an experience I enjoyed, nor did I enjoy the attention I got from it.
But, Snork Maiden, they have to have sex! Like our recent troll Glenn said – every man needs sex! Anything that gets in the way of that is evil, and any man who says they don’t need it is lying!
Ugh. these guys are gross. I can’t today.
yes
No – you’re lying now.
@Scildfreja,
yeah, funny how one moment the misters are proclaiming that they are the rational sex, the only ones who build or create anything, yet the next moment they’re declaring that men are utterly helpless at any form of self control. Ah, the paradox…