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Men’s Rights jackass Paul Elam: Cosby’s accusers “just a bunch of drug whoring [oh it gets worse]”

Two of Bill Cosby's accusers, with attorney Gloria Allred
Two of Bill Cosby’s accusers, with attorney Gloria Allred

Apparently looking to score clicks from controversy, Men’s Rights douchebag-in-chief Paul Elam has resorted to an old tactic of his: acting like the world’s biggest asshole. This time he’s attempting to gin up traffic on the backs of Bill Cosby’s 40-plus accusers.

In a post on A Voice for Men yesterday that is repugnant even by his standards, Elam asks if the women who say Cosby drugged and raped them are really victims, or “just a bunch of drug whoring star fuckers?” 

Though the post insinuates more than it accuses, it’s pretty clear what Elam’s answer to that particular question is, and at the end he simply declares that, until Cosby is found guilty in a court of law,

all I see in this is a bunch of greedy women who commoditized their bodies like groupies who managed to get backstage at a rock concert.

Even Cosby’s admission, in a court deposition recently made public, that he’d used Qualudes to score “sex” from women doesn’t suggest to Elam that perhaps the stories of Cosby drugging and raping women might actually be true.

“Big fucking whoop,” Elam writes.

Women have been trading gash for stash for as long as I can remember, and they still are.

Saying that Bill Cosby gave women ludes to loosen them up for sex is about as worthy of pointing out as the likelihood is that those women loosened Cosby’s grip on his drugs by sticking their tits in his face.

Indeed, Elam comes close to suggesting that the real victims in this alleged “gash for stash” trade are the poor men forced to pay for the drugs that the women get for “free.”

[T]here is a healthy percentage of women who  are just fine with the idea that dick comes with drugs. …

Think and say what you want about Bill Cosby, the quintessence of drug culture sexual hookups is product for poontang.

What about these particular women? Elam cranks his douche-o-meter up to 11, and writes

My guess is that the only thing happening here is that the lowbrow party girls that glommed onto Bill Cosby and spread like warm peanut butter are just coming back for more.

Did Bill Cosby use his fame, fortune and pharmaceuticals to grease the wheels of his sex life? Probably yes, I think. That is the kind of grease that a lot of women yearn to bathe in.

He then attacks Cosby’s accusers — or at least the overwhelming majority of them — for being … old.

[A]ll but one or two of the long list of alleged victims are now so far past their sexual shelf-life that they could not trade sex for a ten dollar bag of Mexican schweg.

Double dipping the Cosby Cash may well be all some of them have.

There really aren’t enough “fuck yous” in the world for me to respond to that properly.

Elam is clearly desperate to hold onto what remains of his relevance as the Men’s Rights movement’s brief moment of, er, glory in the media fades. Facing endless and often justifiable criticism from MGTOWs and Red Pillers and #GamerGaters alike, Elam hasn’t been able to convince many outside of his little cult that he’s the Men’s Rights statesman he seems to think he is.

In recent months, he’s been trying to recast himself as a Warren-Farrellesque “life coach” for troubled men, but the last time I looked at the appointments calendar on his An Ear for Men site, it wasn’t clear if even a single man had availed himself of Elam’s pricey “services.” (I haven’t been able to reach the site today.)

So Elam is returning to the blatantly misogynistic rhetorical poop-flinging that got him attention in the first place. Sadly, it seems to be the only thing he’s actually any good at.

To paraphrase Elam himself, double dipping in hate may well be all he has.

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dhag85
6 years ago

@Bluecat

I’m pretty sure Elam has said there’s no circumstances under which he would want any rapist to ever be found guilty.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
6 years ago

@misseb

That was Factory who threatened to disown his daughter because she was raped, not Elam. Elam did divorce his ex-wife and abandon his children because she was raped, however, which is probably why you confused the two.

Bina
6 years ago

Nthing what everyone is saying about “gash”. It definitely has connotations of violence but I mostly get a castration anxiety vibe from it. Women are defective men doncha know.

Same here. It’s also why I hate the c-word: Remove one letter from that, and you get “cut”. Which is not what female genitalia are, at all.

And if you’ve ever studied even a bit of embryology, in fact, you learn that up to the eighth week of pregnancy, all human embryos are anatomically female. And that a penis is just a more outwardly developed clitoris. So no, in no way are we men-minus-the-dicks; in fact, they’d be women if not for testosterone. A fact that must be awfully galling to Paulie & Co., if any of them really thought about it at all.

David N-T
David N-T
6 years ago

Is Elam trying to out-scumbag Cosby?

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Paul Elam and all the other MRAs, PUAs, and so on, are so jealous they could spit. They can only wish that they were as beautiful and sexy and charming as women. They can only wish that they could use their masculine wiles to get something, anything.

I’m assuming this a well intentioned but clueless drive by, although it very could be a troll attempt to gotcha us.

No, I don’t think they’re jealous of women. They hate us because they’re misogynists, because they’ve been socialized to believe that women are inferior, and because they’re just assholes. Plenty of men are beautiful, sexy, and charming too and I do think some of the manospherians are jealous of those men that they perceive to be “alpha.”

With your last sentence, you’re really just playing right into their hands. They think we’re the privileged genders because of ladies nights and because men traditionally pay for dates etc.

Cavaluccio Marino
6 years ago

Finally de-lurking again to say that I abhor the way that rape victims are treated as liars until proven otherwise. 🙁

@Fruitloopsie:

Women said they were raped they must be lying and just want fame, men said they were raped then it’s comedy. This is rape culture.
And also:
Mras/antifeminists/misognists: “nobody especially feminists cares about male victims”
Man: I was raped/beaten
Mras/antifeminists/misognists: “lol!”
Woman: “I was raped/beaten”
Mras/antifeminists/misognists: “prove it!”, “you’re lying! You just want attention!” Etc
::Later::
Mras/antifeminists/misognists: “Like we said, no one cares about male victims”

QFT

@Catalpa:

I just wish he’d somehow manage to take the rest of the manosphere with him when he falls, but these shitheads seen to be worse than roaches when it comes to surviving in toxic bullshit.

Nuking the manosphere from orbit might do the trick. :p

banned@4chan.org
banned@4chan.org
6 years ago

What are the odds that Paul Elam simply doesn’t know (or refuses to believe) how date rape drugs like Quaaludes and Rohypnol work?

Quatzork-43
Quatzork-43
6 years ago

Banned@4chan.org, Paul Elam can´t believe he spent decades missing such an opportunity.

How long before PUAs openly support the use of date rape drugs by “men”?

berdache from a previous life

“What are the odds that Paul Elam simply doesn’t know (or refuses to believe) how date rape drugs like Quaaludes and Rohypnol work?”

Sadly, I think it’s much more likely he knows exactly how they work and his defense of Cosby is actually a type of self defense.

Cavalluccio Marino
Cavalluccio Marino
6 years ago

[P.S. I’m sorry to be a pest, but is there a way to use a different Gravatar pic for two different nyms? I post under Sea Wolf on another forum, and my avatar has changed to the Sea Wolf avatar. I’ve been unable to get the hang of Gravatar. 🙁 ]

Cavalluccio Marino
Cavalluccio Marino
6 years ago

Just realised that my previous comment went into moderation because I mispelled my own nym. 🙁 Cannot forum tonight.Trying again:

Finally delurking again to say that I abhor the way that rape victims are treated as liars until proven otherwise.

@Fruitloopsie:

Women said they were raped they must be lying and just want fame, men said they were raped then it’s comedy. This is rape culture.
And also:
Mras/antifeminists/misognists: “nobody especially feminists cares about male victims”
Man: I was raped/beaten
Mras/antifeminists/misognists: “lol!”
Woman: “I was raped/beaten”
Mras/antifeminists/misognists: “prove it!”, “you’re lying! You just want attention!” Etc
::Later::
Mras/antifeminists/misognists: “Like we said, no one cares about male victims”

QFT

@Catalpa:

I just wish he’d somehow manage to take the rest of the manosphere with him when he falls, but these shitheads seen to be worse than roaches when it comes to surviving in toxic bullshit.

Maybe the manosphere should be nuked from orbit. :p (Apologies if this statement comes off as wishing violence on a group of people.)

dudeinthewoods
dudeinthewoods
6 years ago

@Cavallucio Marino

Nah, it’s a well known Aliens quote.

Unless you have a ship and nukes, in which case, can you get us out of the system? 😉

misseb47
misseb47
6 years ago

SFHC-Thanks for clearing that up, it has been a while since I read the article. They both seem so similar, too! They might as well be the same person. ^^;

Kat
Kat
6 years ago

Paul Elam and all the other MRAs, PUAs, and so on, are so jealous they could spit. They can only wish that they were as beautiful and sexy and charming as women. They can only wish that they could use their masculine wiles to get something, anything.

I’m assuming this a well intentioned but clueless drive by, although it very could be a troll attempt to gotcha us.
No, I don’t think they’re jealous of women. They hate us because they’re misogynists, because they’ve been socialized to believe that women are inferior, and because they’re just assholes. Plenty of men are beautiful, sexy, and charming too and I do think some of the manospherians are jealous of those men that they perceive to be “alpha.”
With your last sentence, you’re really just playing right into their hands. They think we’re the privileged genders because of ladies nights and because men traditionally pay for dates etc.
banned@4chan.org
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Nah, not a troll. Not clueless either (if I do say so myself). Just another facet of the discussion. Jealousy and hatred are not mutually exclusive. MRAs salivate over women’s beauty–and they hate us (and are jealous of us) because we have it. (And sure, they’re jealous of good-looking guys too.) MRAs are all about power. Of course they think we’re the privileged gender–what with men paying for our dates and giving us flowers and such. That’s because MRAs want all the power.

contrapangloss
6 years ago

Kat? What about the vast majority of women that don’t match their idea of beauty?

I mean, most of the women I know, including myself, definitely don’t match the standards they set for us. Not that we want to match those standards, because we deal with enough crud already, but…

…MRAs seem to still hate me even though I don’t have the whole “beauty” thing to be jelly over. Instead, it’s the “bucking finch isn’t matching our expectations” nonsense. Or the “HOW DARE YOU TRY TO DO MEN’S THINGS!” nonsense.

By the way, sorry I haven’t been around much, all. I’m adjusting to my summer job, which is totally awesome, but it makes 4 days a week where I don’t have time to internet because job is minimum 13 hours on those days and can get up to ridiculous on ridiculous days, and 3 days to catch up on sleep/other duties as assigned… unless there are all calls, and then days off kind of become not days off.

Still, my job kind of makes me feel like a boss every so often. Other times not so much. It really depends on the call.

My partner’s going to get to start precepting next week, though! I’LL GET TO BE DRIVER! IT’S EXCITING! I’m hoping he gets through the precepting quick, though, so that I can steal back the back of the box, because I kind of like being in the back. I just also really like driving, and I really like having options.

NothingClever
NothingClever
6 years ago

@Kat, I get what you’re getting at. I wish I could count on my hands the number of times a MGTOW has told me I was lucky to be a woman because it was so easy to get laid, even if I didn’t want it. They envied my rape experience because it counted as “getting laid.” Sadly, I can’t count those times on all my fingers, or with my fingers and toes combined. In my dealings with MGTOWs, that’s always been their go-to defense of why they hate women.

katz
katz
6 years ago

If it’s all about women being beautiful, why is there fat hate?

Kat
Kat
6 years ago

Paul Elam and all the other MRAs, PUAs, and so on, are so jealous they could spit. They can only wish that they were as beautiful and sexy and charming as women. They can only wish that they could use their masculine wiles to get something, anything.

contrapangloss and katz: Oh yeah, MRA’s reactions to women’s looks is definitely complex. A woman who isn’t their ideal, whether it’s her face, body, age, or whatever, will elicit their scorn. Here’s my take on it: They want the hottest babe so they can prove their superiority to other men. In real life, they’d probably be pathetically grateful if any woman took a chance on them. And yeah, these guys seem to have zero relationship skills and zero willingness to learn, so that woman might be really sorry she took that chance!

NothingClever: Yep. It’s a pretty sad situation. And I’m very sorry to hear about your experience with sexual violence.

GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

Understanding Paul Elam is easy if you realize that he lives by two simple rules:
(1) Men are always right and women are always wrong.
(2) If a man appears to be wrong or a woman right, you need to reexamine the circumstances until you see where you made your mistake.

Regarding “gash” and other offensive terms for the female genitalia, here’s my thought. Men are traditionally raised to be unemotional and independent and never needy or vulnerable. Thus the guys who are really into this sort of traditional (“toxic”) masculinity tend to be frightened by the desire for sex because it might lead to emotional attachment to the owner of said genitalia. So they represent their desire as purely physical and use terms of contempt to distance themselves from anything that looks like need. If you read the MGTOW crap, it seems like they are always trying to find a way to get housework and sex without any emotional involvement, and without having to give up any of their freedom or money. Love — or wanting to share your life with someone — is not in their vocabulary; love makes you vulnerable and therefore less of a man.
Yes, it is sort of a horrible way to “live”.

contrapangloss
6 years ago

Kat, I still don’t buy it.

Given a man and woman of equal beauty and charisma, they’d still treat the woman worse. If it were solely jealously, they’d be equally awful to both.

I’m pretty sure their misogyny is rooted in something a little deeper than “Waaaah! Women get to be pretty and I’m not a pretty pretty person who gets all the things”

They’ll use jealously as a talking point all the time, I’ll grant you that. Like the “Why don’t men get free drinks at bars? Why do I have to ask for a date? Why do I have to hold doors unless I want to be labeled a jerk!” stuff.

They never seem to want to hear the answers to those questions, oddly enough.

Kat
Kat
6 years ago

contrapangloss: Definitely they’d treat the woman worse. It’s not just about jealousy. I bring up jealousy only because it’s perhaps less discussed than MRAs’ other emotions: fear of women, anger at women, and hatred of women.

John Pavlich (@johnpavlich)

Most of the MRAs I happen to run into make me want to throw up in my mouth. Out of the extremely small number that are actually decent people trying to legitimately advocate for certain rights for Men, I’d wager four out of five of those are Women.

And here comes grand wizard, Paul Elam making my vomit want to vomit (sorry for the gross but it’s Elam we’re talking about here), as he uses these Women and their tragedies as money-pulling click-bait.

Ideology and money, indeed. 🙁

sevenofmine
6 years ago

MRAs are conspiracy theorists at heart. They’ll happily believe any number of mutually contradictory narratives as long as the moral of the story is “women are the root of all evil”.

Cyberwulf
Cyberwulf
6 years ago

What eye would weep for Paul Elam if he tragically fell down an abandoned well and slowly succumbed to exposure?

Cavalluccio Marino
Cavalluccio Marino
6 years ago

@dudeinthewoods:

Unless you have a ship and nukes, in which case, can you get us out of the system? 😉

I wish I had a ship…I happen to live 5 minutes away from a harbour. :p

@GrumpyOldSocialJusticeManjina:

Regarding “gash” and other offensive terms for the female genitalia, here’s my thought…

Your theory has a lot of merit. It really is sad how toxic masculinity dictates that showing vulnerability is bad. I think this phenomenon also manifests in the scenario where men reject asking for help when they need it. I saw this happen with an ex-boyfriend of mine. He lost his apartment, but was too proud to ask his friends if he could stay for a couple of months until he found his feet again.

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