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After a feminist activist at Queen’s University reports being attacked, possibly by an MRA, the king of “f their sh*t up” responds with angry denial

Paul Elam: Anger is "pulsing through my veins like molten lava" at the very notion that MRAs are violent.
Paul Elam: Anger is “pulsing through my veins like molten lava.”

A student at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, says she was attacked and beaten by a strange man after receiving threatening messages about her opposition to a Men’s Rights group on campus. On Thursday, Danielle d’Entremont posted a picture of her bruised face to Facebook along with this explanation:

Just walked out of my house and got attacked by a stranger. I was punched in the face multiple times and lost half my tooth. This was after a few threatening emails regarding my support for feminist activities on campus. I can’t say for sure if the two are connected, however the attacker was a male who knew my name.

The campus Men’s Issues Awareness Society (MIAS) – the group d’Entremont has been fighting – has condemned the attack, as has the Canadian Association for Equality (CAFE), which co-sponsored a talk the MIAS put on Thursday. The police are investigating.

Right now, this is pretty much all we know about the story. Not that it this has stopped MRAs from offering their very fervent opinions on the matter.

Before we get to them, here are a few of my own:

If it turns out that the attacker is, as seems likely, a Men’s Rights activist – or some freelance misogynist vaguely associated with that milieu – it will not exactly be a surprise. Feminist activists who challenge Men’s Rights activists – or indeed challenge sexism in any sufficiently public manner – often find themselves the recipients of angry, abusive and threatening messages, sometimes numbering in the hundreds.

While most prominent MRAs are smart enough to avoid making specific threats of physical violence in public, their “activist” campaigns often target individual women, often college students and individual activists rather than women with any real power in society, almost certainly because those with less power are easier to intimidate.

And for all their talk of being the “civil rights movement” of the 21st century, Men’s Rights activists rely on rhetoric steeped in violence and hatred. It wasn’t Martin Luther King who declared of his opponents that “the thought of fucking your shit up gives me an erection.” It was Paul Elam of A Voice for Men, probably the most influential Men’s Rights activist on the scene right now.

I don’t know who attacked d’Entremont. But given the number of threats being made towards feminist activists on a daily basis, it is inevitable that women (and perhaps some men) who’ve publicly opposed the Men’s Rights movement will be the targets of real violence. Inevitable.

And much of the responsibility for this violence will rest with Elam and other Men’s Rights leaders who have deliberately stoked the anger and hatred of their followers and directed much of it at individual female scapegoats. If your favorite slogan is “Fuck Their Shit Up” you can’t pretend you’re an innocent angel when someone inspired by your words actually does Fuck Someone’s Shit Up.

And it doesn’t help when MRAs like Elam try to make violence against women into a kind of joke. Here, at left, is a screenshot from a notorious post by Elam promoting his supposedly “satirical” notion of turning Domestic Violence Awareness Month into Bash a Violent Bitch Month; yes, that picture ran, with that caption, on Elam’s original post. At right, the picture of herself that d’Entremont posted to her Facebook page.

[TRIGGER WARNING for images of violence against women. Post continues after picture.]

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Of course, this isn’t how Elam and his friends see the issue. The moment the story of the attack broke, a special A Voice for Men Flying Squad of commenters descended upon the website of the student newspaper of Queens University to set forth all the reasons they thought d’Entremont was a lying liar. Attila Vinczer, AVFM’s offical “Activism Director,” was especially active:

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Yeah, Attila, I’m pretty sure criminal investigations don’t work like that.

Meanwhile, AVFM Contributing Editor Karen “Girl Writes What” Straughan attempted to minimize d’Entremont’s injuries in a rather inventive way:

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But it was Elam himself who launched the most vociferous attack on d’Entremont; indeed, in a long and rage-filled post titled “A whiff of bullshit at Queen’s University,” he declared that the very notion that MRAs might pose a threat to feminist activists to be a “scummy, Futrellian fantasy fiction spin game.”

Huh. I’m pretty sure I didn’t make up the hundreds of abusive and/or threatening messages that a certain red-haired feminist activist received for the crime of yelling at a couple of A Voice for Men dudes on camera once. Or those received by Rebecca Watson for the crime of suggesting that maybe dudes shouldn’t hit on gals who are riding a hotel elevator alone at 4 AM. Or those received by any of countless other women who have found themselves labeled enemy-of-the-week by MRAs, antifeminists, and other misogynistic creeps online.

Oh, and there was that creepy threatening phone message I got at 1:38 AM one December from one of AVFM’s own activists who was too dumb to hide his own identity properly.

But in any case, Elam for some reason has decided that the best way to convince the world that MRAs are reasonable people who would never resort to violence is to declare that he is overcome by his own anger. No, really:

[N]ow I am angry. I am 100% completely, undeniably pissed off bordering on rage. It won’t last, but for the moment it is pulsing through my veins like molten lava.

And what makes him angry? The very thought that someone might assume that a woman who was an active opponent of an Men’s Rights organization might have been targeted because of her activism — and assaulted by an MRA who, like Elam, might have had anger “pulsing through [his] veins like molten lava.”

There’s really not much more to Elam’s post than that. He makes a joke about d’Entremont trolling for “likes” on Facebook for the picture of her beaten face. He demands “proof” and predicts there will be none:

There will never be any evidence that she was attacked by an MHRA. They will probably not catch her supposed “attacker,” and the incident will wind up unresolved because there is no evidence to make a case against anyone, or at the very least not against any MHRA. The story will still get major traction with feminist ideologues, though, who will use it to mischaracterize MHRAs as violent so they can continue to attack the formation of new men’s issues groups.

And then he starts his rant in earnest:

I want to hear a police official say they have reason to believe it was men’s activists, and then share the identity of the person of interest with the public. I want them to make inquiries to this website to look for leads. With all the victim posturing over the years from feminists about AVFM, I have never heard from a single police official. Not once.

I want to know for sure that this woman, who posts this shit to her Facebook page but does not want to be identified, and her friend, who also does not want to be identified, are not both liars.

I want to see, with all the wolf crying that feminists have done about MHRAs, one tiny, even microscopic shred of fucking proof of anything they say.

I want to know if they are more credible than the zombie apocalypse. Rather I should say I would like to see them prove they are for a change.

And if my hunch, check that, experience, is right, and there are lies involved in this case, I want to see those responsible go to jail just as much as I want to see her attacker, if he actually exists, do the same.

Huh. That’s a lot of demands, Paul. I’m pretty sure the police have more pressing priorities in their investigation than mollifying the narcissistic rage of an internet ranter.

But I think we can see what is happening here: Unless the police are able to quickly identify and arrest a man who is clearly associated with a Men’s Rights group for this crime, and unless he is quickly convicted of this crime, MRAs – led by Elam and his followers – are going to declare d’Entremont a “false accuser” if not an outright hoaxer, and target her for further harassment and abuse. All while loudly proclaiming that they are the real victims here. (Never mind that they never apply even a fraction of such skepticism towards the tall tales of feminist oppression told by serial fabricators like John Hembling.)

Elam ends his post with these inspiring words:

Please note: AVfM is in the middle of its Spring Fundraiser. Please help us continue to spread the message. Click here to contribute.

Because A Voice for Men LLC, after all, is a business – albeit one that’s apparently forbidden from conducting business in the state of Texas – and its business is hate.

EDITED TO ADD: John Hembling — AVFM’s “Director, Public Policy” and “Editor at Large” — has weighed in with his own take on the attack, which he has puzzlingly titled “Don’t Bash a Violent Bitch,” helpfully illustrated with a picture of a nerdy fellow brandishing a fist. (Classy!) In it he loudly proclaims to be shocked — shocked! — that anyone could imagine any MRA could be responsible for such a crime, which is totally opposed to everything that the peace-loving Men’s Human Rights Movement stands for.

Then he goes on to argue that “Slugger d’Entremont” (!?) is an “asshole” who probably brought this upon herself by being such an asshole:

I expect that whoever bashed Danielle d’Entremont in the face is somebody she knows, who has been dealing with her for years. Maybe her attempt to silence Professor Fiamengo was what did it, maybe it was something else. The timing of the incident, thus far, does not indicate a connection.

Really? The attack happened the night before Fiamengo’s lecture.

An individual attempting to censor and silence somebody speaking on human rights concerns of any group, men or otherwise, is likely an individual that’s an asshole with a past.

How exactly she is a “violent bitch” he never exactly explains. Perhaps someone else wrote the headline. It’s not like there’s a shortage of “editors” at AVFM eager to blame the victim of this particular crime.

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cloudiah
8 years ago

Well, they tried to run a campaign based on outrage that sometimes drunk ladies pee outside (because we all know men have never pissed outside), so getting outraged that a woman picked her nose in public seems par for the course.

samantha
samantha
8 years ago
Reply to  kittehserf

There’s also Sparky getting his breakfast exercise. I must send this one to my sister!

(Smile) Thanks for this as well. And keep sending these cute and funny vids. After getting sad, angry and upset over the hideous and cruel assholery of the mra-impaired, I think we all need breaks like these. You know – so we can remember that life is also a joy and that cool things happen. 🙂

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
8 years ago

Boy, that Attila Vinczer is an interesting fella.

He and his litigious comrade Nicholas Alahverdian are quite a pair. They sue anyone and everyone at the drop of a hat. Real AVFM admin team material!

Vinczer wrote a letter to the Queen that he cc’d to the Pope and PM Stephen Harper in which he compared the plight of men in Canada to the Salem witch hunts. Had he read it, I think even Harper would have LOL’d.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Auntie Alias, do you have a link to that letter? That sounds awesome. XD

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
8 years ago

Cloudiah, I’m warning you; it’s a rambling snoozefest!
Letter to the Queen

cloudiah
8 years ago

Since my early twenties, I have always been benevolent

LOL.That letter. What a lot of hot air! Vinczer could be used as a heating source in the rough Canadian winters.

Feh
Feh
8 years ago

David, the piece I read (I believe it was the Queen’s U paper online) said she gave them permission to print her picture but not her name because she was afraid of more reprisal. Is there somewhere else where she give permission to be identified? Because if not you’ve done her a real disservice here.

Bina
8 years ago

Say…Maybe we should start a Baseball Bat Movement…Every woman gets an aluminum bat and puts the name of her fave mra-challenged idiot on it, in red nail polish. We will take these bats and storm the halls of justice with them….

Yep…strictly symbolically, of course. Unlike the MRAs, we know what NOT to do. But oh yeah…I did learn self-defence (which I forgot to add to my list above). I learned how to maim, paralyze and even kill an attacker with my bare hands if I had to. So any guy wants to mess with me is gonna have to answer to the unregistered lethal weapons at the ends of my wrists.

(Cue the MRAs screaming “Violent bitches! See! I told you so! Bash the bitches!!!1111eleventyhundredeleven!!!”)

scarlettpipstrelle
8 years ago

Her name is all over the press, both Canada and the US. Huffpo even. By now I think the publicity might help in that any further assailants will know that people are watching and that they care.

dunbe
dunbe
8 years ago

Lol feminist equality:

MRA says “protestors should respect freedom of speech”.

samantha: That qualifies as a threat.

Feminist says:
“And yeah…MRAs, take note: Any of you comes to my door, you’re gonna have to answer to me…and my aluminum baseball bat, which I guarantee will have your name on it.”

samantha:
“Say…Maybe we should start a Baseball Bat Movement…Every woman gets an aluminum bat and puts the name of her fave mra-challenged idiot on it, in red nail polish. We will take these bats and storm the halls of justice with them….”

You are all a bunch of raging sexist bullies. You find threats and sexism everywhere because it’s what you project onto people. You think others are abusing power because that’s what you do every day.

Don’t pretend for one second that you wouldn’t condemn any MRA if the quotes above had the words feminist and MRA flipped.

Oh and it’s not self defense if somebody just comes to your door and you bash them with a baseball bat or even only threaten them with one.

sparky
sparky
8 years ago

Fuck off, dunbe.

I posted the “protestors should respect freedom of speech” not because I thought it was some kind of threat, but because protestors protesting is freedom of speech in action.

Did you not read Bina’s response? Y’know, when she said:

Yep…strictly symbolically, of course. Unlike the MRAs, we know what NOT to do.

As in using violence is what NOT to do?

And you think all those threats that David talked about in the OP are nothing. And you’re the one who made that disgusting rape allegory in the other thread.

You’re a fucking hypocrite.

kittehserf
8 years ago

David, House Mouse Queen mentioned she reckons dunce dumbe dunbe writes like Esmay – d’you reckon it could be him?

weirwoodtreehugger
8 years ago

Dumbe,
You really don’t understand free speech, do you? Free speech means that you can things. It doesn’t mean your speech can’t have consequences and it doesn’t mean you can’t be criticized. Those protesters have every right to protest.

weirwoodtreehugger
8 years ago

Oops. That’s supposed to be say things.

dunbe
dunbe
8 years ago

Lol. weirwoodwhatever. You’re such a moron.

Firstly “freedom of speech” != “free speech”.

Sure the protesters can protest all they want. What they should not be allowed to do is prevent others from speaking. But it was they who violated freedom of speech and therefore saying they should respect it is more than justified. And you, even if you disagree with what is being said, should agree with that.
Instead you side with those who declare that a threat.
You’re a joke.

weirwoodtreehugger
8 years ago

What are you saying Dunce? That the Canadian government should allow MRAs to speak but not feminists? That’s freedom of speech how? Someone whose idea of freedom of speech is disallowing protests really is not in a position to call anyone a moron.

titianblue
titianblue
8 years ago

Lol. weirwoodwhatever. You’re such a moron.

The irony – it burns!

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Dumbe, do yourself a favor and fuck off. Failing that, get interesting.

More interesting than Dumbe, we got a new car today!

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
8 years ago

Firstly “freedom of speech” != “free speech”.

Well, okay. I’ll bite. What’s the difference between “freedom of speech” and “free speech”?

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
8 years ago

@hellkell: cool! I’m about to be forced to shop for a new car, which I HATEHATEHATE doing. What did you get?

sparky
sparky
8 years ago

dunbe won’t address any of the previous points. dunbe hasn’t yet, and I don’t see it happening in the future.

This is the person that thinks rape and death threats are just “angry messages.”

This is the person who thinks that protesting an event is a violation of freedom of speech (and thus, are the equivalent of government forces rounding up and throwing people in jail) and should be stopped from protesting.

dunbe
dunbe
8 years ago

That’s it. Make up cheap excuses to ban. Lying asshole.

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