Norwegian Men’s Rights Activist blogger Eivind Berge, known for his violent rhetoric and rape apologia, has been arrested for death threats against police.
Not too surprising, given that he once announced on his blog that “[k]illing at least one cop is on my bucket list.”
Here are some Google-translated details from a news account here:
The right-wing extremist and anti-feminist blogger Eivind Berge has been arrested for having encouraged and glorified the killing of policemen. The police have found both ammunition and textbooks in use of explosives at Berge.
The police regard the threats as an invitation to others to kill police officers, but also feared that he would commit the acts themselves shortly.
He was evidently arrested on Wednesday. According to this story — at least as far as I can tell from the obviously crude Google translation — he made a specific threat to kill a police officer this Saturday:
Berge also writes about how he was planning to attack a policeman with a knife on a Saturday evening:
“Then I used the trial to come forward as a good example for men, and I considered it to be worth 21 years in prison for premeditated murder.”
According to this account, Berge is being held for two weeks. He claims innocence.
Berge, as readers of this blog may well already know, is a fan of right-wing terrorist and mass murderer Anders Brevik. On his blog, he’s also argued (among other things) that “Rape is Equality.”
He’s glorified the murder of police on his blog numerous times.
Some examples, taken from the second news account:
“… attack on the police is something 100% in harmony with everything I stand for.”
“I maintain that police murder is both ethically and tactically correct.”
Some other examples, direct from his blog (each paragraph is from a separate post; click on the quote for the source):
I viscerally despise cops and wish them the worst. Killing at least one cop is on my bucket list.
If ever a victim of psychiatry, here is what I would do. I would first attempt to kill the cops or whoever tried to apprehend me. Failing that, I would feign docility in order to get out as soon as possible and then kill a representative of the industry as revenge. … killing cops is also very much a men’s issue. Every pig killed is also a blow against feminism, so men should be doubly elated whenever an officer goes down in the line of encroaching on our cognitive liberty.
This was his reaction to a news story about a police officer being killed:
Good news for men is rare in this hateful feminist utopia that is Norway, but today is a joyous day! Today I feel schadenfreude in my heart along with all the hate that feminism and resultant mate deprivation have instilled in me. One blue thug less on the streets.
From another post on the same subject:
The swine Olav Kildal died while trying to enforce our lack of cognitive liberty. This was a defensive, much deserved killing that cheered me up.
Here he threatens a female prosecutor:
To feminist prosecutor Anne Cathrine Aga I have the following message: The Men’s Movement is watching you, bitch, and we are seething with hatred against you personally and the police state you represent. Actions have consequences. Trials are still (mostly) public and they sink into our collective minds, where they form the basis of future activism. Hate breeds hate — that is a fact of life too smugly ignored by feminists. …
2011 is the year Norwegian men as a group emerged out of the blogosphere and into the battlefield. This in turn has led to a breakthrough for MRAs such as my good self in the public discourse, probably for the simple reason that the powers that be now realize ignoring us has deadly consequences. Men are angry now, and we have proven that we are deathly serious about resisting feminism. So the feminist prosecutors referred to above ought to wipe that smug look off their faces before it is too late. Clearly seventy-seven body bags wasn’t enough, but I am fairly confident that you will be sorry one day.
Aside from the explicit threats of violence, the violent and threatening rhetoric here is not unlike much of the rhetoric we see regularly on A Voice for Men and other MRA sites. AVFM founder Paul Elam, for example, told one feminist that:
I find you so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection. … We are coming for you.
The blogger Emma the Emo, Berge’s girlfriend, has posted comments here in the past defending him. The news account quotes someone identified as Nataliya Kochergova, described as his girlfriend; I assume this is “Emma,” because what she told the media is similar to what she posted here. She of course denies that he planned any real violence. According to the article, she said:
There are not really threats. He has never had plans to kill someone, he has said several times in his blog. When for example, he says that “the police killings are an effective way to prevent stupid laws,” it’s a factual description and not a threat. Even those who love the police agree with it.
Berge, for his part, has stated publicly that if he had not met Emma, he probably would have killed by now:
At the time I wrote my last blog post, I believed I would probably become Norway’s first modern violent activist in peacetime. Celibacy enforced by a feminist regime had driven me to the point where I saw no other option. I would target the pigs who enforce feminist law, knowing I could realistically at least kill one of them before I would be captured or killed myself. Thus revenge would be assured and if I lived, my reputation as a violent criminal would make me attractive to some women. But then in the nick of time this blog attracted a lovely girl commenting as “Emma.”
This is why I take violent rhetoric from MRAs very seriously.
Meanwhile, on this side of the Atlantic, MRAs glorify MRA “martyr” Thomas Ball, who killed himself on the steps of a New Hampshire courthouse last year in hopes that his death would inspire MRAs to literally burn down courthouses and police stations.
Ball’s manifesto is still up on A Voice for Men in its “activism” section, including these passages:
So boys, we need to start burning down police stations and courthouses. … This is too important to be using that touchy- feeling coaching that is so popular with business these days. You need to flatten them, like Wile E. Coyote. They need to be taught never to replace the rule of law. BURN-THEM-OUT!
Most of the police stations built in New England over the last 20 years are stone or brick. Fortunately, the roofs are still wood. The advantage of fire on the roof is that it is above the sprinklers
AVFM tastefully omitted Ball’s specific instructions on how to make Molotov cocktails, but left this in:
There will be some casualties in this war. Some killed, some wounded, some captured. Some of them will be theirs. Some of the casualties will be ours.
For many more examples of violent threatening rhetoric from MRAs, I urge you to go through some of my posts here and here.
@VoIP
…wow, that is perfect timing, huh?
Yeah, just tell the guy off. I don’t care how much cursing you use, you’re in the right.
I don’t know either of them and the conversation seems to be winding down.
@VoIP
If she’s from your apartment block, maybe you can catch her when she’s alone and mention that you overheard the convo and that you think she should follow up on it with the cops. Unless you think dude’s harmless I think you might be better off not putting yourself on his radar.
VoIP: Like, right now?
…I am at a loss.
Next block over. I didn’t see either of them, but if I hear her voice again I think I’ll be able to tell.
Not next city block. Next apartment building.
I’m pretty sure the dude in the conversation is fine, as he seems to mean well. The abuser and the dude in the conversation are different people.
“I am trying to reform”
No you’re not. I’m curious – are you under the impression that you can gaslight the people here into believing you to be a decent human being and thus somehow supporting your PUA activities, or do you just enjoy making people feel really creeped out? Is your kink making people uncomfortable in a specifically sexual way?
BTW, the gaslighting here is an utter failure so far.
“The MRM repudiates abject moral repugnance”
But hey, small to moderate amounts of moral repugnance are fine.
(If this is not what you meant to say then your teacher was correct in saying that a career in writing was not a viable option for you.)
I thought that Tom Martin was trying to derail this thread at first, but now I see what his game plan is – he’s trying to outdo Eivind Berge by posting irredeemably twisted, bigoted shit under his real name.
And the fact that he’s singled out children for his rape apologia really does make him worse.
Fortunately, as with Berge, I fear this may be counterproductive. In fact, I suspect Tom may similarly have great difficulty living this one down, in the way that Berge is still instantly identifiable as “that Norwegian rape apologist” over three years after his most notorious blogpost. Which is at least a crumb of comfort.
Tom, please g to calling us or penguins whores, and stop saying those horrible horrible things about children, I feel like throwing up just reading half of what you wrote.
Steel: people showed you several instance of ‘moderate’ MRAs who consider Tom Martin as a MRAs. Why shouldn’t we accept these sources? What do you consider a TRUE Scotsman, sorry a true moderate MRM website? Please provide us link of post they wrote saying that Martin is actually not MRA.
Fucking hell fire. I go to bed and Tom comes back and spews that rape-OF-CHILDREN apologist nonsense? The first time I encountered the little turd was when he announced his scam court case and was still attempting to retain the vestiges of belonging in a human* society and I never thought I’d say this but I miss that.
Steele, kindly point us to a) other MRAs denouncing the ones you have, b) their reasons for doing so, c) the coherent ‘rules’ of the MRM (not just something you made up), d) an explanation for why Baramdu(sp?), a racist misogynist is ‘OK’ and e) the proportional numbers of ‘extremist’ feminists and their mainstream support.
This is another case of ‘facts are MISANDRY’, isn’t it? *sigh*
*I want to change this because Tom doesn’t belong in any animal society either, but can’t think of how to phrase it so I’m just noting it here.
To be fair to those MRAs who’ve been bigging Tom Martin up as one of the movement’s great martyrs, they weren’t to know that he was also an apologist for child rape.
But now that he’s demonstrated this beyond any reasonable doubt, and even repeated and reinforced it in case anyone was still unsure, I predict a lot of frantic backpedalling.
We’re already seeing it from Steele, who really should get a job in the circus with those skills. Mind you, he’s fallen over quite a few times.
Wow did this thread take forever to catch up on.
Murphy —
That’s a serious citation needed. What percent of suicides are abusers asserting control? And how are they controlling anyone once they’re dead? At absolute best, you meant to say that many abusers threat suicide in an attempt at control; not that many suicides are abusers.
If I follow this mess, half of marriages end in divorce, the “overwhelming majority are instigated by women” — call it 80%? make this math easier — and abuse is “widespread” in the cases women instigate divorce — call it 60%? slightly more than half?
Math time! 80% of 50% is 40% — 60% of 40% is 24% — so apparently about a quarter of all marriages end in divorce because of abuse. Again, citation needed.
Hey guys? I think this one might be a Poe, this is just absurd.
NWO —
That’s a Godwin, don’t do it. Come up with another failing analogy at least. And since when do you have a problem with nazis? Shouldn’t they be a natural ally for your “Jews control everything” views?
According to traditional views that you should really disagree with it, but nonetheless support. You keep missing where it’s feminism that’s against that.
Eurosabra —
Was that at NWO? He thinks feminists are Nazis, that wasn’t directed at you (you’re a Zionist, we know…which might make you a Nazi in his backwards land)
They meant a monastery, preferably the internet free kind.
Steele —
Hey Steele? There is a movement that does actually do all those things, but it isn’t the MRM, want to guess what it isn’t? Unless 4 means you’re a pro-lifer that is.
No, we were arguing that individual cases of misandry are not an institutional problem, and you were variously arguing that either that didn’t matter, or that institutional misandry does exist. Please go back to arguing that over there.
Tom Martin —
Your views on prostitution seem to shift every other sentence. We’ve got a bunch of “child prostitution is just like any other work” combined with some serious “punish those whores” — think you could pick one?
“child prostitution is just like any other work” —
And then a bunch of “punish those whores” —
But let’s ignore that contradiction, because I have a more interesting question — how does prostitution damage the environment?!
Involuntarily committed? Wtf else does “taken out of circulation” mean, besides that, or arrested?
Those aren’t excuses, they’re explanations, and with very very few exceptions are not seen as excusing the patients behavior. You have a lot of speculation there, but you know what is fairly “hard wired”? Assholery, or rather agreeableness.
File under “punish those whores”.
Wtf does that even mean?!
What did “…studies favouring women as victims usually make it to the fore. Think false rape stats…” mean then?
Pecunium —
CT has Timber rattlers, looks like Jersey does too. They get huge, and thus have one nasty bite, but aren’t too aggressive, so “back away slowly” works. (Seriously, they get huge, like 5′ long huge)
Unimaginative —
I know you meant the black death kind, but my brain went straight to how Emilie Autumn calls her fans plague rats. Thus making the idea extra hilarious.
“We’re already seeing it from Steele, who really should get a job in the circus with those skills. Mind you, he’s fallen over quite a few times.”
That’s easily solved with a clown suit.
@Tom Martin;
“I stand by my statement, that child prostitutes know what they are doing, and therefore deserve to be called prostitutes, not victims.”
You just can’t help yourself can you? Anything for attention. I’ve seen actual self-confessed pedophiles who make less outrageous claims than you about children. Listening to your inane bullshit you would think one drops out of the womb with the same exact cognitive functioning as an adult. With your train of logic it stands to reason that children aren’t easy to prey upon and manipulate because of their lack of life experience and nativity.
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In fact, using ‘Tom’s Trolling Logic’ I was able to think up this incredibly awesome and ‘mentally sound’ argument:
All those little girls that get kidnapped by male strangers are really just stupid little whores that really want to run away from home and manipulate these poor men into taking them away. Whores are the only REAL kidnappers as they take these whorish children for the sole purpose of making the whore child’s father cry. (Whores live on a strict diet of bon bons which they greedily wash down with a glass full of men’s tears).
We should feel sorry for those poor ‘supposed’ male kidnappers who face unfair imprisonment for simply trying to help a worthless whore of a child. We should also feel sorry for the fathers of those whorish children. (The entitled mother whores of the so-called ‘kidnapped’ whore kids will probably be too busy cheating on her husbands and gaining weight like the worthless whore pigs they are to care about their whore spawn being taken so I don’t feel one drop of pity for them. No one should feel any empathy for those whore brats, no siree, because they are the ones who deliberately caused all this mess for those poor men.)
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Thank you for helping me to see the light, Tom. Keep championing those pedophiles and demonizing children. It doesn’t make you a morally bankrupt, trolling cretin, at all.
So wait, Tom’s case wasn’t about hard chairs, but he used it as an example of how he was able to read and understand discrimination rules/regulations?
Dude, i’m shocked at how you managed to fail. Shocked. @.@
Hey guys, I just thought of something… if championing for ‘the wimmins’ makes a man a white knight, what does championing for pedophiles make a man? hmm.
themisanthropicmuse — I’m not sure he wouldn’t agree with that, yuck.
Much short reply to Tom — please go back to discussing hard chairs, that was much funnier.
@Argenti Aertheri:
He’ll probably be pissed that I thought of it first. Fresh, effective trolling material can be hard to come by, after all.
“if championing for ‘the wimmins’ makes a man a white knight, what does championing for pedophiles make a man?”
A pedophile.
Argenti:
That was directed at me. Eurosabra may not be a Nazi, but he is a fascist. It’s somewhere back in the thread.
It’s funny how all these racists, white supremacists and white supremacists’ friends keep on calling us Nazis. If we were Nazis, we would probably get along much better.
Whether you’re a child prostitute, an adult prostitute, or, as with manboobzers, unsure which category you fall into, the same principle still applies. If you sincerely want to stop the endless procession of paying cocks penetrating your person, then take the price list down, and stop charging money for sex.
If, at whatever age you are, you do not understand the meaning of consent, or the meaning of money, or the meaning of consent for money, but someone is still sticking their cock in you and you’re not sure why, then that is probably rape – even if you forgot to mention to said cock wielder that you’d rather they didn’t. Hell, if you’re drunk enough, you can shout “Stick it in me Trevor” and that can still mean “no” for all the new UK laws care, as long as you say you can’t remember. Phone the emergency services for a chat about it. If necessary, ask someone how to operate the phone.
Imagine you caught your underage 15 year old daughter on the game, what would you say to her?
“Okay darling, obviously you played no part whatsoever in choosing to be a prostitute yourself, so mummy’s going to help catch the nasty pimp who put you up to this, because what you need to learn is when 15 year old girls accidentally suck cocks for money, they should be compensated, with a bit of victims of crime compensation, and, not forgetting, the original £12 cock-sucking bonanza from the punter. That’s right sweety. Double bubble time. Pass me the phone. Now how does this thing work?”
Or… would you ground the whore for 6 months until she passes all her GCSEs?
Well, given that approximately 98% of manboobzers are whores themselves, I’m guessing
you’re probably going to want to blame it all on MRAs.
Please Tom, point us to those laws.
Also, interesting to see how it’s now 98% of us that are ‘whores’. Want to explain how or why, or how someone can achieve non-whoredom in your twisted view of reality? What does this word mean to you, because I don’t think it means what you think it means.
I’m not touching your paedophile-apologia with a stick, you’re an utterly vile waste of cells. I’d say that you’re scum but I imagine that scum has more uses and is less toxic.