Norwegian Men’s Rights Activist blogger Eivind Berge, known for his violent rhetoric and rape apologia, has been arrested for death threats against police.
Not too surprising, given that he once announced on his blog that “[k]illing at least one cop is on my bucket list.”
Here are some Google-translated details from a news account here:
The right-wing extremist and anti-feminist blogger Eivind Berge has been arrested for having encouraged and glorified the killing of policemen. The police have found both ammunition and textbooks in use of explosives at Berge.
The police regard the threats as an invitation to others to kill police officers, but also feared that he would commit the acts themselves shortly.
He was evidently arrested on Wednesday. According to this story — at least as far as I can tell from the obviously crude Google translation — he made a specific threat to kill a police officer this Saturday:
Berge also writes about how he was planning to attack a policeman with a knife on a Saturday evening:
“Then I used the trial to come forward as a good example for men, and I considered it to be worth 21 years in prison for premeditated murder.”
According to this account, Berge is being held for two weeks. He claims innocence.
Berge, as readers of this blog may well already know, is a fan of right-wing terrorist and mass murderer Anders Brevik. On his blog, he’s also argued (among other things) that “Rape is Equality.”
He’s glorified the murder of police on his blog numerous times.
Some examples, taken from the second news account:
“… attack on the police is something 100% in harmony with everything I stand for.”
“I maintain that police murder is both ethically and tactically correct.”
Some other examples, direct from his blog (each paragraph is from a separate post; click on the quote for the source):
I viscerally despise cops and wish them the worst. Killing at least one cop is on my bucket list.
If ever a victim of psychiatry, here is what I would do. I would first attempt to kill the cops or whoever tried to apprehend me. Failing that, I would feign docility in order to get out as soon as possible and then kill a representative of the industry as revenge. … killing cops is also very much a men’s issue. Every pig killed is also a blow against feminism, so men should be doubly elated whenever an officer goes down in the line of encroaching on our cognitive liberty.
This was his reaction to a news story about a police officer being killed:
Good news for men is rare in this hateful feminist utopia that is Norway, but today is a joyous day! Today I feel schadenfreude in my heart along with all the hate that feminism and resultant mate deprivation have instilled in me. One blue thug less on the streets.
From another post on the same subject:
The swine Olav Kildal died while trying to enforce our lack of cognitive liberty. This was a defensive, much deserved killing that cheered me up.
Here he threatens a female prosecutor:
To feminist prosecutor Anne Cathrine Aga I have the following message: The Men’s Movement is watching you, bitch, and we are seething with hatred against you personally and the police state you represent. Actions have consequences. Trials are still (mostly) public and they sink into our collective minds, where they form the basis of future activism. Hate breeds hate — that is a fact of life too smugly ignored by feminists. …
2011 is the year Norwegian men as a group emerged out of the blogosphere and into the battlefield. This in turn has led to a breakthrough for MRAs such as my good self in the public discourse, probably for the simple reason that the powers that be now realize ignoring us has deadly consequences. Men are angry now, and we have proven that we are deathly serious about resisting feminism. So the feminist prosecutors referred to above ought to wipe that smug look off their faces before it is too late. Clearly seventy-seven body bags wasn’t enough, but I am fairly confident that you will be sorry one day.
Aside from the explicit threats of violence, the violent and threatening rhetoric here is not unlike much of the rhetoric we see regularly on A Voice for Men and other MRA sites. AVFM founder Paul Elam, for example, told one feminist that:
I find you so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection. … We are coming for you.
The blogger Emma the Emo, Berge’s girlfriend, has posted comments here in the past defending him. The news account quotes someone identified as Nataliya Kochergova, described as his girlfriend; I assume this is “Emma,” because what she told the media is similar to what she posted here. She of course denies that he planned any real violence. According to the article, she said:
There are not really threats. He has never had plans to kill someone, he has said several times in his blog. When for example, he says that “the police killings are an effective way to prevent stupid laws,” it’s a factual description and not a threat. Even those who love the police agree with it.
Berge, for his part, has stated publicly that if he had not met Emma, he probably would have killed by now:
At the time I wrote my last blog post, I believed I would probably become Norway’s first modern violent activist in peacetime. Celibacy enforced by a feminist regime had driven me to the point where I saw no other option. I would target the pigs who enforce feminist law, knowing I could realistically at least kill one of them before I would be captured or killed myself. Thus revenge would be assured and if I lived, my reputation as a violent criminal would make me attractive to some women. But then in the nick of time this blog attracted a lovely girl commenting as “Emma.”
This is why I take violent rhetoric from MRAs very seriously.
Meanwhile, on this side of the Atlantic, MRAs glorify MRA “martyr” Thomas Ball, who killed himself on the steps of a New Hampshire courthouse last year in hopes that his death would inspire MRAs to literally burn down courthouses and police stations.
Ball’s manifesto is still up on A Voice for Men in its “activism” section, including these passages:
So boys, we need to start burning down police stations and courthouses. … This is too important to be using that touchy- feeling coaching that is so popular with business these days. You need to flatten them, like Wile E. Coyote. They need to be taught never to replace the rule of law. BURN-THEM-OUT!
Most of the police stations built in New England over the last 20 years are stone or brick. Fortunately, the roofs are still wood. The advantage of fire on the roof is that it is above the sprinklers
AVFM tastefully omitted Ball’s specific instructions on how to make Molotov cocktails, but left this in:
There will be some casualties in this war. Some killed, some wounded, some captured. Some of them will be theirs. Some of the casualties will be ours.
For many more examples of violent threatening rhetoric from MRAs, I urge you to go through some of my posts here and here.
I mean, I can maybe see the British press and public giving Tom a fair hearing on father’s rights issues (even if his figures on those have been demonstrated to be wrong), but paedophile apologia? Not in this universe!
Tom has earned himself another MB post; expect one later today or tomorrow, and let’s try to publicize it.
The “political correctness” of calling acknowledging that 10 year old prostitutes are victims of abuse? Okay.
Yeah, you can get the fuck out of here you repulsive sack of shit.
Well, given that approximately 98% of manboobzers are whores themselves, I’m guessing
you’re probably going to want to blame it all on MRAs.
See, this is why I like reading this blog. I learn new things every time I stop by. Since the odds are now overwhelmingly in favor of my being a whore, I shall have to remember to tell my wife to pony up some greenbacks next time we have sex. I’ll have enough for an iPad in no time.
Hey Tom, did you spend all your money on that court case? Do you have enough left to buy some baby wipes? I doubt they’re that expensive though, you should go see.
I’m just thinking you might need some after pulling all those statistics and percentages out of your arse.
And, I might add, what a disgusting little shitstain is our Tom Martin.
@Argenti Aertheri
“That’s a Godwin, don’t do it.”
Please forgive me. I shall rephrase it. Manboobz is a place that uses the indentical tactics used at nazi headquarters, scouring the web to search out any who dare criticize the master race. Better?
Oh dear G-d oh no he dinnt?
Wow, I’ve mistakenly come across some horrible stuff online before but Tom Martin…..I don’t think I have words for the level of horrible…
See, he’s more charitable to the women he assumes don’t read manboobz and/or aren’t feminists. I mean, he hasn’t MET a woman who isn’t a whore, but he’s SUCH a nice guy, he assumes there is a righteous 3 percent out there.
As for us, we’re more likely to be whores, because, manboobz. Heck, for Tom, the 98% is probably charitable. He probably thinks we’re all whores but doesn’t want to say 100% because he thinks we’ll like the 98 number better. Like how stores price stuff at $19.99 instead of just the whole damn 20 bucks.
Aw Tom, what happened to that massive sex video database idea of yours? It’s almost cute that you think breathalyzers of all things would keep rapists from raping. Almost cuter than your sex contract idea!
@David Futrelle
“Tom has earned himself another MB post; expect one later today or tomorrow, and let’s try to publicize it.”
Will this post consist of comments he made here? If so, all comments made by the all the feminists residing here must be posted as well. How else could an unbiased opinion be formed by outside readers as to the level of competancy of the average feminist as well as what level of hatred has been endured by Tom. Did Tom begin the conversation hatefully, or was any comments he’d written in response to the hateful atmosphere? Was he ridiculed and mocked, or was he engaged in good faith at any point.
A few examples.
@ captainbathrobe
“And, I might add, what a disgusting little shitstain is our Tom Martin.”
Why wouldn’t someone rebut with insults? They’ve been insulted.
@ShadetheDruid
“Hey Tom, did you spend all your money on that court case? Do you have enough left to buy some baby wipes? I doubt they’re that expensive though, you should go see.”
And again. In fact, everyone here has done the same.
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@indifferentsky
“This is something the US is some states has not sorted out. Kids can’t consent to sex, but they can sell it and are called “prostitutes”? So weird, and to add insult to injury, many of them have pimps and don’t even get that fucking money.”
They can’t consent to sex? They can’t consent to drinking, yet they’re at fault if they do. The can’t consent to robbery, yet if they do it they’re at fault. A 15 year old girl can’t consent to driving yet if she does drive she is at fault. In fact, everything other than sex for which they can’t consent to do they’re held accountable. So why aren’t girls held accountable for having sex?
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@TheNatFantastic
“I mean seriously Tom, you’re one of the worst human beings I can possibly think of. You object to children who were raped getting victim compensation because they were given £12 after their rape? Fuck you, you utter shitting arseweasel.”
How is consenting to sell sex for money rape? Are Norwegian girls as mature at 15 as Swedish girls at 16 or Chineese girls at 14 or Morrocan girls at 18. Were american girls more mature 100 years ago than they are today?
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If someone is to be held accountable for their actions than they need to be held accountable for all their actions. If a 15 year old girl can’t consent to driving a car and she can’t consent to having sex either, she is at fault for both. She knew what she was doing when she hopped in the car and she knew what she was doing when she hopped in the sack. She is at fault. If she can’t keep it in her pants she needs to learn a little sexual control.
@Tom: “See ya!”
I shall say the same to you in your native tongue of trollese:
Whore cunt!
Hey Steele? There is a movement that does actually do all those things, but it isn’t the MRM, want to guess what it isn’t? Unless 4 means you’re a pro-lifer that is.
Regardless, the feminist movement is focused on women.
No, we were arguing that individual cases of misandry are not an institutional problem, and you were variously arguing that either that didn’t matter, or that institutional misandry does exist. Please go back to arguing that over there.
You (collectively) argued that “misandry” is never an appropriate term for describing anti-male sentiment, whether it is isolated or systematic in nature. You insisted this for 1000+ comments, demonstrating that you are quite emotionally invested in invalidating the concept.
Suffice to say, men’s issues are not going to be solved by feminists, unless it is a secondary effect of solving women’s issues. And that’s fine, but it also means you have no leg to stand on when you denigrate the MRM. It is necessary.
Wouldn’t Tom’s breathalyzer idea make men guilty until proven innocent? Like… the only way that would even consider working is if it was assumed that men would be guilty if the woman was over the limit, and it was assumed that the man would be breathalyzing every time. Of course, how exactly would you prove that someone’s blood-alcohol content was above a certain margin if nobody bothers to check? Or what if the guy just lied about the results?
And how in the bloody fucking excrement of human society could you possibly think that a 10-year-old was old enough to be able to consent to sex when 10-year-olds are just barely coming around to the idea that things aren’t moral or immoral based on how those things affect the self? Not to mention the small fact that they haven’t even gone through puberty yet. You repulsive sack of pedophilia-apologetic shit. (To borrow and expand upon a phrase I’ve heard recently)
@Steele:
No. We collectively argued that “misandry” refers to systematic anti-male sentiment and structures on account of its derivation from “misogyny,” and that such a thing does not exist. *ducks away from brick wall to avoid incoming poo*
I said I was looking for European allies for Israel other than EDL, Forza Italia, someone acceptable. CDU/CSU is going to sell Israel out to the Green-Islamic alliance, and I want to be ready for when our prepaid spare parts are embargoed in German ports.
Apparently men’s issues are going to be solved by punishing child prostitutes.
Seriously, jackass, take that shit somewhere else. Nobody’s in the mood.
Also, we’re not denigrating the MRM because it’s trying to solve men’s issues. We’re denigrating it because it’s failing so badly at solving men’s issues while inventing most of the issues out of whole-cloth. And being misogynistic, racist, pedophilic, transphobic, and just plain idiotic in the process.
No. We collectively argued that “misandry” refers to systematic anti-male sentiment and structures on account of its derivation from “misogyny,” and that such a thing does not exist.
That’s what I said; you argued that “misandry” (“the hatred of men”) cannot be used to refer to isolated incidents of anti-male sentiment. In other words, you are very (very, very) invested in a semantical argument that essentially leaves us with no word to describe anti-male rhetoric and/or actions.
This is literally the definition of Orwellian.
Suffice to say, feminism is clearly not a place where men’s problems will be addressed, unless tangentially in relation to women’s. This is- again- fine, but the MRM is thus necessary.
@Steele:
*point*
What a tiresome brick wall you are.
Actually Steele, what could be described as Orwellian would be inventing and using a certain word which borrows a falsified etymology from an existing word then using that word when it’s not appropriate in order to change people’s perceptions of reality and replace it with an emotionally charged but factually incorrect idea of how society is working. For example, the word invented could be something, say, rhyming with “misblandry”. That would be Orwellian, since it requires both Newspeak and Doublethink, two concepts apparently central to the MRM.
…leaves us with no word to describe anti-male rhetoric and/or actions. – Steele
Hahahaha, no.
Now i’m too hideously lazy to go find and quote wherever it was mentioned (and that’s saying something, when i’m too lazy to go find and quote myself), but you have “prejudice” and “sexism”.
Two words, not just one, to use.
Steele, fuck right off, kthxbai.
Eurosabra, don’t pulled that faux-shocked, “oh no he didn’t” crap about Martin, you two shitstains are made for each other.
Fine. What are the men’s issues that the MRM addresses effectively with sustained, multi-faceted activism? How are the high-profile activists like Eivind Berge and Tom Martin working to address these issues? What do you do, specifically, as a member of the legitimate MRM to work on addressing these issues?
For example, I’m a feminist but the bulk of my work and activism actually helps young men. My efforts are concentrated in helping at-risk youth in urban environments and many of the programs are targeted at young men. I’m working to help address the educational and economic disparities that can all but ensure that many young men who grow up in cyclical poverty will be placed in the system as early as possible and remain there for the rest of their lives.
My work, and the work of the many souls dedicated to these programs, produces tangible results.
What do you do?
Steele, if feminism isn’t about men’s issues, and you admit this, why are you here trying to make it otherwise? Go back to your MRM circlejerk and leave us alone.