Norwegian Men’s Rights Activist blogger Eivind Berge, known for his violent rhetoric and rape apologia, has been arrested for death threats against police.
Not too surprising, given that he once announced on his blog that “[k]illing at least one cop is on my bucket list.”
Here are some Google-translated details from a news account here:
The right-wing extremist and anti-feminist blogger Eivind Berge has been arrested for having encouraged and glorified the killing of policemen. The police have found both ammunition and textbooks in use of explosives at Berge.
The police regard the threats as an invitation to others to kill police officers, but also feared that he would commit the acts themselves shortly.
He was evidently arrested on Wednesday. According to this story — at least as far as I can tell from the obviously crude Google translation — he made a specific threat to kill a police officer this Saturday:
Berge also writes about how he was planning to attack a policeman with a knife on a Saturday evening:
“Then I used the trial to come forward as a good example for men, and I considered it to be worth 21 years in prison for premeditated murder.”
According to this account, Berge is being held for two weeks. He claims innocence.
Berge, as readers of this blog may well already know, is a fan of right-wing terrorist and mass murderer Anders Brevik. On his blog, he’s also argued (among other things) that “Rape is Equality.”
He’s glorified the murder of police on his blog numerous times.
Some examples, taken from the second news account:
“… attack on the police is something 100% in harmony with everything I stand for.”
“I maintain that police murder is both ethically and tactically correct.”
Some other examples, direct from his blog (each paragraph is from a separate post; click on the quote for the source):
I viscerally despise cops and wish them the worst. Killing at least one cop is on my bucket list.
If ever a victim of psychiatry, here is what I would do. I would first attempt to kill the cops or whoever tried to apprehend me. Failing that, I would feign docility in order to get out as soon as possible and then kill a representative of the industry as revenge. … killing cops is also very much a men’s issue. Every pig killed is also a blow against feminism, so men should be doubly elated whenever an officer goes down in the line of encroaching on our cognitive liberty.
This was his reaction to a news story about a police officer being killed:
Good news for men is rare in this hateful feminist utopia that is Norway, but today is a joyous day! Today I feel schadenfreude in my heart along with all the hate that feminism and resultant mate deprivation have instilled in me. One blue thug less on the streets.
From another post on the same subject:
The swine Olav Kildal died while trying to enforce our lack of cognitive liberty. This was a defensive, much deserved killing that cheered me up.
Here he threatens a female prosecutor:
To feminist prosecutor Anne Cathrine Aga I have the following message: The Men’s Movement is watching you, bitch, and we are seething with hatred against you personally and the police state you represent. Actions have consequences. Trials are still (mostly) public and they sink into our collective minds, where they form the basis of future activism. Hate breeds hate — that is a fact of life too smugly ignored by feminists. …
2011 is the year Norwegian men as a group emerged out of the blogosphere and into the battlefield. This in turn has led to a breakthrough for MRAs such as my good self in the public discourse, probably for the simple reason that the powers that be now realize ignoring us has deadly consequences. Men are angry now, and we have proven that we are deathly serious about resisting feminism. So the feminist prosecutors referred to above ought to wipe that smug look off their faces before it is too late. Clearly seventy-seven body bags wasn’t enough, but I am fairly confident that you will be sorry one day.
Aside from the explicit threats of violence, the violent and threatening rhetoric here is not unlike much of the rhetoric we see regularly on A Voice for Men and other MRA sites. AVFM founder Paul Elam, for example, told one feminist that:
I find you so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection. … We are coming for you.
The blogger Emma the Emo, Berge’s girlfriend, has posted comments here in the past defending him. The news account quotes someone identified as Nataliya Kochergova, described as his girlfriend; I assume this is “Emma,” because what she told the media is similar to what she posted here. She of course denies that he planned any real violence. According to the article, she said:
There are not really threats. He has never had plans to kill someone, he has said several times in his blog. When for example, he says that “the police killings are an effective way to prevent stupid laws,” it’s a factual description and not a threat. Even those who love the police agree with it.
Berge, for his part, has stated publicly that if he had not met Emma, he probably would have killed by now:
At the time I wrote my last blog post, I believed I would probably become Norway’s first modern violent activist in peacetime. Celibacy enforced by a feminist regime had driven me to the point where I saw no other option. I would target the pigs who enforce feminist law, knowing I could realistically at least kill one of them before I would be captured or killed myself. Thus revenge would be assured and if I lived, my reputation as a violent criminal would make me attractive to some women. But then in the nick of time this blog attracted a lovely girl commenting as “Emma.”
This is why I take violent rhetoric from MRAs very seriously.
Meanwhile, on this side of the Atlantic, MRAs glorify MRA “martyr” Thomas Ball, who killed himself on the steps of a New Hampshire courthouse last year in hopes that his death would inspire MRAs to literally burn down courthouses and police stations.
Ball’s manifesto is still up on A Voice for Men in its “activism” section, including these passages:
So boys, we need to start burning down police stations and courthouses. … This is too important to be using that touchy- feeling coaching that is so popular with business these days. You need to flatten them, like Wile E. Coyote. They need to be taught never to replace the rule of law. BURN-THEM-OUT!
Most of the police stations built in New England over the last 20 years are stone or brick. Fortunately, the roofs are still wood. The advantage of fire on the roof is that it is above the sprinklers
AVFM tastefully omitted Ball’s specific instructions on how to make Molotov cocktails, but left this in:
There will be some casualties in this war. Some killed, some wounded, some captured. Some of them will be theirs. Some of the casualties will be ours.
For many more examples of violent threatening rhetoric from MRAs, I urge you to go through some of my posts here and here.
I would, but the only order on offer seems to be a new and bizarre incarnation of the Knights Templar.
Fascism, hmm, don’t see how that fits. Never killed anyone, oppose state discrimination against minorities, and don’t like black. Will consult Fry and Laurie’s ” Are We the Baddies?” sketch for further analysis.
Most of the really horrifying and toxic (non-human) creatures in the world don’t seem to inhabit the north, and I just have no instincts for living with them. I get freaked out whenever I go far enough south that there are rattlesnakes, and I’m terrified of walking anywhere. So whenever I learn about a new one, like tarantula wasps, they disturb my worldview.
Oh ok, so Martin`s horrible misogyny is unacceptable, but Bardamu`s fervent racism is perfectly in line with the tenets of your movement. Good to know!
Looking through the stats I see that our friend Bernard Chapin made a video attacking this post. Apparently I am the incarnation of evil for suggesting that any MRAs use violent rhetoric, and Mr. Lol Phelam is a paragon of sensible non-violentness.
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You pretty explicitly stated that the purpose of the MRM is to convince people to use the word “misandry” to describe asshole behaviour that is directed toward anybody male, so that people would think that misandry is a systemic, widespread problem in the world, which it is not.
It’s kind of a stupid purpose.
“We hm are hm the hm society hm of hm people hm who hm say hm “hm” hm after hm every hm word hm.”
My goodness, watch your step!! I didn’t think it was humanly possible to backpedal that fast.
I stand by my statement, that child prostitutes know what they are doing, and therefore deserve to be called prostitutes, not victims.
A progressive European country (either Holland or one of the Scandinavian countries, I remember hearing), introduced in the late 90s, the legal principle of no arbitrary minimum age for consent, rather, the legal requirement to ascertain whether lawful sex had taken place was to establish whether the child or young person ‘understands the meaning of consent’. The radio documentary I heard on it reported that the new legal principle was actually very popular with the electorate, but that there were technical difficulties implementing it, and it was open to abuse, and defining exactly who understood the meaning of consent in each case proved difficult in practice, so reluctantly, the country’s laws reverted to an arbitrary minimum age of consent.
Now, if a ten year old is for instance sucking cock for money up front, then there is very much less question whether that whore understands the meaning of consent or not.
Should child prostitution be illegal?
All child labour should be illegal below the age of 13, and then after the age of 13, restricted to very few hours per week, so as not to interfere with school work.
Should child prostitution from the ages of 13 up be legal?
Nope. I think that prostitution is a potentially dangerous profession for which a basic qualification in health and safety be required, like an NVQ – and that kind of course would not be attainable until after the minimum of secondary school years are completed, so aged 14, 15, 16, 17 or even 18 or more depending on the country.
States with child prostitution problems should be forced to get these children back into schools to complete their education, and child prostitutes who persist should be treated as school truants, a misdemeanor, and given the carrot and stick approach to get them back on the straight and narrow or go to young offenders institutions. If they want to be prostitutes when they’re old enough, then they can go to the careers advise officer, where the pros and cons of the profession can be laid out, and an application for the training course and license can be given.
Prostitutes need to be taxed and licensed so heavily, rendering the profession a relatively poor way of making money.
Anyone who practices as a prostitute without the necessary qualification and license, can go to young offenders institute/jail – just like any other persistent illegal unlicensed trader would.
Anyone working on the sly as an escort, should be hunted down by the taxwoman, and if caught, given a huge bill for tax evasion, as well as a fine, and prison for not having a license. Unlicensed tax-evading prostitutes should be hunted down (which would be easy enough).
Anyone choosing prostitution should pay the highest taxes, and know why those taxes are so high – because of the damage prostitution does to the prostitutes and their customers and their environment and the society.
Steele: (at a rather higher proportion, I would say)
You would.
Care to justify it? Give us some round numbers (on membership) and the relative percentage of extremists: in both movements.. Feel free to pre-empt the demands for specificity by explaining the nature of the extremism.
Try to do a better job with the numbers than you did on Vietnam.
Unimaginative: Tarantula wasps are a Western thing (Rattlesnakes are semi-southern, though they do exist as far north as Oregon, on the West Coast, and as far up as Maryland [that I know of], and might reach up to Southern New Jersey).
Tarantula Wasps are, for all the frightening glory off their passage, pretty innoffensive, so far as anything non-arachnoid is concerned.
Steele, see Tom Martham’s post above. Note that he is your compatriot. That is all.
Tommy (you loose stool): Prostitutes need to be taxed and licensed so heavily, rendering the profession a relatively poor way of making money.
Right, they ought to be fucked by the client, then fucked by the state. And you think that kids ought to be fucked over by assuming they can consent, then jailing them if they do… for their own protection.
Words fail me.
Pecunium,
Reading fails you.
Steele: Nice fellow traveller you have.
You keep telling, Steele, but you’re still not showing. So show me.
Show the MRM that won’t hurl homophobic slurs at me for failing to perform my gender properly. Show me the MRM that won’t call me a “mangina” for the crime of taking women seriously as people. Show me the MRM that won’t call me a White Knight for condemning rape apologists.
Where the fuck are they, Steele?
Tom Martin does not want child prostitutes to get any recompense for being raped. How “noble”. How very typical of the MRM.
MRAs, fighting the good fight to rape kids!
Tom: I understood what I read just fine.
Anyone who practices as a prostitute without the necessary qualification and license, can go to young offenders institute/jail – just like any other persistent illegal unlicensed trader would.
That’s what you said.
You also said: Anyone choosing prostitution should pay the highest taxes, and know why those taxes are so high – because of the damage prostitution does to the prostitutes and their customers and their environment and the society.
Married to: the legal requirement to ascertain whether lawful sex had taken place was to establish whether the child or young person ‘understands the meaning of consent’….
Now, if a ten year old is for instance sucking cock for money up front, then there is very much less question whether that whore understands the meaning of consent or not.
So you argue a 10 year old can consent. You also say said ten year old ought to be prohibited from exercising it, and punished if they do.
You say prostitutes ought to be penurized, because you disapprove of the idea of them making a living; with a lot of unsupported rationalisations about why.
You don’t like what I said, repudiate what you said, because I summed it up just fine.
Steele This guy is on your side. He waged a lawsuit in the struggle against misandry.
He shares the worldview you advocate for.
Isn’t Tom Martin the one who declared that all women are whores and/or prostitutes because… reasons?
Dracula: He can’t show you any… he has done those things.
KathleenB, yes this is the same Tom Martin.
This is also the same Tom Martin fighting against hard chairs for men, losing to the tune of 37,000 pounds, and calling penguins whores.
Since he was already in the hole, apparently he decided to keep digging.
Tom, you seem to be both arguing that children are choosing to be prostitutes just like any adult goes after getting any job, while at the same time arguing that they are too young to be able be professionally qualified to do a dangerous job.
Just so you know, child prostitution isn’t a theoretical exercise in debating public policy. It’s actual children having sex, usually with dangerous people in dangerous circumstances, long before they have any personal interest in sex.
A safe, healthy 10 year old does not approach the possibility of sucking cock for money as a quick, easy way to get money.
The fact that you can treat it all as though it’s an interesting topic for after-dinner conversation, like you’re discussing variations on immigration reform, makes me sick to my stomach.
And incidentally, men who pay money to have sex with child prostitutes should not be criminalized – but taken out of circulation and treated compassionately for their condition. I’ve heard that most criminal activity peaks with testosterone levels, in the late teens, but paedophillia is the only crime that increases in frequency as these men get older, indicating a growing pathology for them rather than just a typical immature criminal act.
A lot of crime may be down to low serotonin levels and problems with unresponsive prefrontal cortexes etc, so I suppose there’s a medical excuse for most things. Deciding to be a hooker may be one of those choices down to mental medical conditions too. If licensed hookers pay for a massive license fee and heavy taxes, then some of that money can be ring-fenced to research how best to get women (and girls) to renounce prostitution in all its forms, because let’s face it, a lot of housewhores and princess wannabes could do with a little economic activity-inducing work ethic therapy themselves.
…Tom thinks child prostitutes should be punished, but pedophiles should be “treated compassionately.”
Excuse me while I go punch a hole in the wall.
Just fuck off, Tom.
Holy fuck, another two paragraphs, and you’ve sunk even further.
– all prostitutes (including children) should be penalized to discourage them from being prostitutes
– all prostitutes gleefully choose to be prostitutes because of natural tendencies to whoredom due to brain chemistry imbalances
– customers of prostitutes, but especially pedophiles, should not be punished, but treated with compassion, because they wouldn’t be using prostitutes, especially child prostitutes, if they weren’t mentally ill.
You are fucking scum. If you’re involuntarily celibate, it’s because everything about you is repulsive (which I say having no idea what you look like).