Norwegian Men’s Rights Activist blogger Eivind Berge, known for his violent rhetoric and rape apologia, has been arrested for death threats against police.
Not too surprising, given that he once announced on his blog that “[k]illing at least one cop is on my bucket list.”
Here are some Google-translated details from a news account here:
The right-wing extremist and anti-feminist blogger Eivind Berge has been arrested for having encouraged and glorified the killing of policemen. The police have found both ammunition and textbooks in use of explosives at Berge.
The police regard the threats as an invitation to others to kill police officers, but also feared that he would commit the acts themselves shortly.
He was evidently arrested on Wednesday. According to this story — at least as far as I can tell from the obviously crude Google translation — he made a specific threat to kill a police officer this Saturday:
Berge also writes about how he was planning to attack a policeman with a knife on a Saturday evening:
“Then I used the trial to come forward as a good example for men, and I considered it to be worth 21 years in prison for premeditated murder.”
According to this account, Berge is being held for two weeks. He claims innocence.
Berge, as readers of this blog may well already know, is a fan of right-wing terrorist and mass murderer Anders Brevik. On his blog, he’s also argued (among other things) that “Rape is Equality.”
He’s glorified the murder of police on his blog numerous times.
Some examples, taken from the second news account:
“… attack on the police is something 100% in harmony with everything I stand for.”
“I maintain that police murder is both ethically and tactically correct.”
Some other examples, direct from his blog (each paragraph is from a separate post; click on the quote for the source):
I viscerally despise cops and wish them the worst. Killing at least one cop is on my bucket list.
If ever a victim of psychiatry, here is what I would do. I would first attempt to kill the cops or whoever tried to apprehend me. Failing that, I would feign docility in order to get out as soon as possible and then kill a representative of the industry as revenge. … killing cops is also very much a men’s issue. Every pig killed is also a blow against feminism, so men should be doubly elated whenever an officer goes down in the line of encroaching on our cognitive liberty.
This was his reaction to a news story about a police officer being killed:
Good news for men is rare in this hateful feminist utopia that is Norway, but today is a joyous day! Today I feel schadenfreude in my heart along with all the hate that feminism and resultant mate deprivation have instilled in me. One blue thug less on the streets.
From another post on the same subject:
The swine Olav Kildal died while trying to enforce our lack of cognitive liberty. This was a defensive, much deserved killing that cheered me up.
Here he threatens a female prosecutor:
To feminist prosecutor Anne Cathrine Aga I have the following message: The Men’s Movement is watching you, bitch, and we are seething with hatred against you personally and the police state you represent. Actions have consequences. Trials are still (mostly) public and they sink into our collective minds, where they form the basis of future activism. Hate breeds hate — that is a fact of life too smugly ignored by feminists. …
2011 is the year Norwegian men as a group emerged out of the blogosphere and into the battlefield. This in turn has led to a breakthrough for MRAs such as my good self in the public discourse, probably for the simple reason that the powers that be now realize ignoring us has deadly consequences. Men are angry now, and we have proven that we are deathly serious about resisting feminism. So the feminist prosecutors referred to above ought to wipe that smug look off their faces before it is too late. Clearly seventy-seven body bags wasn’t enough, but I am fairly confident that you will be sorry one day.
Aside from the explicit threats of violence, the violent and threatening rhetoric here is not unlike much of the rhetoric we see regularly on A Voice for Men and other MRA sites. AVFM founder Paul Elam, for example, told one feminist that:
I find you so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection. … We are coming for you.
The blogger Emma the Emo, Berge’s girlfriend, has posted comments here in the past defending him. The news account quotes someone identified as Nataliya Kochergova, described as his girlfriend; I assume this is “Emma,” because what she told the media is similar to what she posted here. She of course denies that he planned any real violence. According to the article, she said:
There are not really threats. He has never had plans to kill someone, he has said several times in his blog. When for example, he says that “the police killings are an effective way to prevent stupid laws,” it’s a factual description and not a threat. Even those who love the police agree with it.
Berge, for his part, has stated publicly that if he had not met Emma, he probably would have killed by now:
At the time I wrote my last blog post, I believed I would probably become Norway’s first modern violent activist in peacetime. Celibacy enforced by a feminist regime had driven me to the point where I saw no other option. I would target the pigs who enforce feminist law, knowing I could realistically at least kill one of them before I would be captured or killed myself. Thus revenge would be assured and if I lived, my reputation as a violent criminal would make me attractive to some women. But then in the nick of time this blog attracted a lovely girl commenting as “Emma.”
This is why I take violent rhetoric from MRAs very seriously.
Meanwhile, on this side of the Atlantic, MRAs glorify MRA “martyr” Thomas Ball, who killed himself on the steps of a New Hampshire courthouse last year in hopes that his death would inspire MRAs to literally burn down courthouses and police stations.
Ball’s manifesto is still up on A Voice for Men in its “activism” section, including these passages:
So boys, we need to start burning down police stations and courthouses. … This is too important to be using that touchy- feeling coaching that is so popular with business these days. You need to flatten them, like Wile E. Coyote. They need to be taught never to replace the rule of law. BURN-THEM-OUT!
Most of the police stations built in New England over the last 20 years are stone or brick. Fortunately, the roofs are still wood. The advantage of fire on the roof is that it is above the sprinklers
AVFM tastefully omitted Ball’s specific instructions on how to make Molotov cocktails, but left this in:
There will be some casualties in this war. Some killed, some wounded, some captured. Some of them will be theirs. Some of the casualties will be ours.
For many more examples of violent threatening rhetoric from MRAs, I urge you to go through some of my posts here and here.
VoIP: Your discussion of Armies is interesting (not least because I have long had a personal interest in them, and I studied history before I joined). A lot of this is stuff I’ve known for awhile. I’m not sure if it’s from keeping up with the history, as it’s been developing, or if the amateur historians of late medieval to early modern warfare I know (and I) have figured it out from a wide ranging habit of reading, and arguing.
The various subgroups who are interested in this sort of history are really interesting; if somewhat loaded with oddballs; who come to some odd conclusions based on what some personal memoir said; and then extrapolate entire theories on that one recollection.
Whetherby, I see what you mean. It is all very borderline: he didn’t *do* (at the time) anything illegal, but at the same time I can understand the anger, and maybe the fear of having a rape apologist and maybe a potential rapist in the university. Anyway, it doesn’t look like it drew a lot of people.
Steele: http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2009/08/06/mens-rights-activists-anti-feminists-and-other-misogynists-comment-on-george-sodini/
Links in Amptoons (and links to other feminist blogs with moar links) to MRA sites supporting Sodini in various ways (now the vast majority of the links lead to deleted blogs, but one, at least, ROISSY?, is one of the major MRA dudes referenced around here).
Amptoons notes, and I think they’re right, that it’s not “mainstream” MRAs (laughable concept), but that the dudes posting support for Sodini are not being banned or downvoted or chastised in any way.
Marc Lepine:
http://www.maskedwriter.com/?p=1410
I suspect any site that says it’s exposing the “dark side” of feminist culture can be deemed an MRA site.
Gee, look, David has a post about MRA’s views on Marc LePine:
http://manboobz.com/2010/12/08/justifying-marc-lepines-murderous-rampage/
Again, I only think it’s funny when EVIL people in prison get raped. I’m a compassionate feminist, but my compassion doesn’t extend to non-evil people.
Oops, I mean my compassion doesn’t extend to evil people. LOL!
International Marc Lepine Day
http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2009/12/happy-marc-lepine-day.html
http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2009/12/happy-marc-lepine-day.html
http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12798
I could go on, but am getting rather sick. Google “Internal Marc Lepine Day” and read to your wizened little heart’s content.
Basic rule I teach first year writing students: JUST BECUZ U DUNT KNOW ABOUT IT DUNT MEAN IT DUNT EXIST.
Yep, that’s exactly how I phrase it, ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Asshat.
@Jennydevildoll: Judging by our other trollz, since feminists control the state apparatus, i.e. police, police are how men are punished for wanting sex, and therefore kill the police (women get police to punish men–police are clearly not men!–by means of the pussy pass and sitting in the street crying).
It’s a weirdly little bubblegum bizarro-world our trollz inhabit. *wipes sticky stuff of self fastidiously*
You know, whenever someone ends their sentence in ‘lol,’ I’m going to imagine this.
“Oops, I mean my compassion doesn’t extend ot evil people.”
Ruby:
1) We know; you told us thirty times already. WE KNOW. No need to repeat again.
2) We still think you’re terrible.
3) Where do you draw the line between the people who have right and those who don’t? What act makes you EVIL?
4) Why do you keep commenting. Seriously. Do you enjoy being told you a rape apologist and a terrible person, do you like trolling, do you like the atmosphere so much you can go over the fact that nobody likes you (well, I don’t know what DKM and NWO think of prison rape for EVIL people), do you stay for the cooking tips?
*headdesk* @Ruby: so you are a compassionate feminist.
WTF?
Can you identify the major theorists that have explicated on compassionate feminism as only feeling empathy for people that the C.F. decides are “not” evil?
You are just piling it higher and deeper.
Happy: Take your own advice. The rest of us are grown-ups, and will do what pleases us, because it pleases us.
You can take the attempts at snarky insult, fold them until they are all points, stuff them up your ass, and take an unpleasant shit.
Really. You aren’t doing anything to make the conversation more productive, you are insulting all who spend time here, and pointing out that you dislike one person enough to use them, and their style, as an insult. While that has a certain sense of back-handed flattery, it’s rude, petty and deserving of nothing but scorn.
So that’s what you are getting.
Steele: My guess is that Ithiliana engages in a lot of projection. Especially since we don’t actually live in a misogynist society.
My guess is you are, at best, an ignorant asshat. We may not live in a society as misogynist as it used to be, but I read the news… the guys saying women need to be stripped of rights (not just jerks in the MRA, but people getting paid thousands of dollars a week to shape policy). I see people trying to pass laws making women second class citizens, in the law, not just in fact.
I see people saying, “women can’t hack it” about jobs like cop, firefighter, EMT, soldier which they most definitely can.
That’s endemic misogyny.
And I see fools like you pretending it ain’t so.
Steele: You are parsing it very fine, with the “I’ve never seen an MRA site” praising Sodoni. No, I’ll bet there aren’t any top posts saying how wonderful he (and Lepine) are. But the comments… full of praise.
Brievik… lots of “wink-wink, nudge-nudge”. Stuff about how “awful it is”, coupled with, “but if the bitches and manginas don’t pay attention there will be more like this.”
The MRM is a hateful movement, and it’s full of violent rhetoric.
@Pecunium: Thanks for commenting to Troll’o’steele: I’d missed that.
@Troll’o’steele: I don’t believe in “original sin” either — neither religiously (animistic pagan here), nor socially (racism, sexism, etc.).
But there’s a SHITLOAD of sociological research on how cultural attitudes (INCLUDING PREJUDICE) are handed on through the generations, and given the ways in which those have set up systemic structures in which straight white cis males dominate most cultural and social institutions of power (are you one of the dudez who thinks that proves feminists have taken over? We have two or three of those here), then, yes, everybody raised in the culture (I speak only of the U.S.) is brought up in a culture where the mainstream ideologies are racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.
People don’t have to be raving overt bigots to support the systems–they just have to be people who don’t rock the boat, and support the status quo.
Your lack of belief does not in fact trump a lot of decades of research on both conscious and unconscious prejdudices.
Oh, and there are too misogynists/mras who support Sodini and Lepine.
EVIDENCE, you haz none
@Wetherby:
“But he didn’t say he was going to commit a crime. He was merely mounting a not particularly convincing intellectual defence of rape.”
It’s not true that this was *all* an attempt at pseudo-intellectual justification for rape in the abstract. In his comments he made several personal remarks regarding rape where he discussed how he would not be trying to live with his involuntary celibacy as it is ‘defeatism’ to do so, that he would get sex no matter what the cost and proceeded to talk about how he would handle things during a rape such as: “she must resist to the point of serious injury. I would avoid this by going slowly anyway”. This guy was openly letting people know that rape was an option he was seriously putting on the table.
We don’t live in a misogynistic culture
Maybe you don’t white man but women do: covering the backlash against women’s reproductive rights as ONE example.
Rats: could have sworn is EM the first line from Troll of Steele in my last comment.
We don’t live in a misogynistic culture
*posts*
Ruby: Again, I only think it’s funny when EVIL people in prison get raped. I’m a compassionate feminist, but my compassion doesn’t extend to non-evil people.
I don’t think your correction helps.
This is the last thing I am going to say to you, because I have decided to shun you. I did it, briefly, once before.
Shut up. You aren’t a good person. You are an evil person. You are laughing at other people’s misery. You deserve nothing but scorn, obloquy, shame. You disgust me. I think David Meller, NWO, even fucking Eivind Berge no worse than you; in some ways better. NWO doesn’t pretend to being virtuous. Meller has the sense to be ashamed of what he says… not enough to repudiate it, but enough to know that it looks bad when he’s called out on it.
Berge… he has the courage of his convictions. You… you are a spineless guttersnipe. You aren’t honest. You say that you laugh at the “evil people”, but when pressed your definition of evil = convicted. You don’t really care for what. If they are behind bars someone, somewhere, has bad thoughts about them so they deserve to be raped.
So bugger off. Amuse yourself with your pornographic amusements elsewhere. Really. Of all the people who have posted here; Brandon, John Anderson, Marc, Eoghan, Antz, Aktivarum, Toysoldier, Varpole, Steele, Happy, Elam, Peter Nolan© and a host of others too long to recall, you are the most repulsive.
Because you are the one who is cackling at real peoples agonies. You are the one who is gleeful about pain which could be fixed. I’ve gone past the point of pity. I’ve gone past the point where anything other cold good manners are possible. I would give you the cut direct. If I were related to you I would cut off contact. You are anathema.
Get thee hence; from this day forward (not that you will care. You may even loudly declare how much you don’t care what I think) you are as a corpse to me, and the longer you remain out, and unburied, the worse you stink.
Get back on you tube where your echo chamber is, Steele, most people that post here have brains.
(I’m soaking, hopefully.)
Here’s a video you can go comment on, and for everyone else, I DON’T suggest you read the comments.
Unless of course you wanna suit up and go fight. I did a couple of rounds.
Oh, I was on the wrong page, responding to an old comment steele made to Ithilana. I can see from this page of comments, tho it still applies.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…….*clearly balrogs are to blame*
yeah, youve said this like fifty times now. it’s still equally atrocious and reprehensible. you’re a hateful creep. deal with it.
What’s particularly dimwitted and lazy about Steele’s claim is that Eivind Berge himself – the subject of this discussion! – has praised Sodini, something that could easily be discovered in a matter of seconds (by Googling “Eivind Berge Sodini”, for instance, which is what I did.)
Here’s the quote, and surrounding context:
And Berge would certainly regard his blog as an MRA blog.
Ruby,
I know you probably won’t read this, but here goes.
THINK about this. Think about someone in prison that hurt multiple people, rape, torture and murder.
Do you think the victims of these crimes and their families LAUGH about the perpetrator getting something back? It’s not a laughing matter. You’re disrespecting the crimes and the victims.
I know that the embedding is disabled on this, but you can follow it to you tube. Watch the whole thing and if you feel like LAUGHING after it, you’re a sociopath.
And I’m pretty sure this is an example of “evil” as you were talking about.