The general line amongst manosphere misogynists is that American women are a bunch of stuck-up princesses whose “ginas” – that is, vaginas – tingle only in the presence of “thugs” and “alpha males.” But one YouTube ranter calling himself LogicJunkie has a somewhat different theory, as he recently explained in a note to the moderator of the Happier Abroad forums. American women, it turns out, are basically all Nazis at heart, “preoccupied with … eugenic perfection in males.” Let’s follow LogicJunkie’s, er, logic:
American females regard as a “creep” any guy who isn’t at least six feet tall, with a pronounced chin, a jock physique, and, in general, Ken doll good Aryan looks. And money is important, too, but not nearly as important as the physiological eugenics. So, in good Germanic fashion, I think what they’re mainly concerned about, is somehow being contaminated by the mere presence of the inferior. …
America is, now more than ever, a Germano-eugenicist death camp, wrapped in the facade of “capitalism” and “corporatism” and “pop culture” and blah, blah, blah. But it’s all about covertly advancing the genetic omnipresence of the Teutonic physiological ideal.
I hate to poop on LogicJunkie’s logic here but, dude, if all the women you’re meeting turn out to be eugenics-obsessed, Aryan-fetishizing Nazis, it does not therefore follow that all American women are eugenics-obsessed, Aryan-fetishizing Nazis. It may just mean you should stop cruising for chicks at Klan meetings.
@Capt Bathrobe.
No, it really shouldn’t have.
“People who have better access to nutrition and medical care often end up taller than their peers. Social mobility in the US being what it is, CEOs and other high paid people are almost exclusively born and raised upperclass.”
ABSOLUTELY ridiculous. Height is at LEAST 70% genetics, and furthermore, nutrition only really comes into play if you’re severely malnourished. Middle- and even upper-lower-classes get plenty of nutrition to maximize their height. Heightism is a major force of prejudice nowadays.
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fyi, I’d rather be a tall black guy than a short ugly white guy, so I actually think heightism trumps racism.
OK, Felix, I was trying to be nice. 🙂 Still I don’t think MRAL is stupid so much as tenaciously wrong-headed and unwilling to examine his assumptions.
Of course, then there’s this:
fyi, I’d rather be a tall black guy than a short ugly white guy, so I actually think heightism trumps racism.
I don’t thing there’s even a word for that much fail.
ps if I was magically transformed into a young Denzel Washington I probably wouldn’t be “such an asshole.” (I prefer to think of myself as a realist and righteously angry).
Leaving aside the fact that your own personal preferences and self-hatred actually has no bearing on the state of prejudice in society…
fyi, I’d rather be a tall black guy than a short ugly white guy
Even a tall ugly black guy with a shitty personality?
Maybe you should start a support group for guys with shitty personalities, where you can all complain about how prejudiced society is toward awful, boring, hateful, bitter, shitty people. I have a theory that there would be a huge overlap between that group and the MRM, and what you talked about would be very similar, but whatever. It might help focus your unearned anger in a new direction, anyway. Or maybe not. Maybe just in the exact same direction.
I’d really like to hear an argument that heightism is not a concern which doesn’t involve “Well 50 years ago racism was worse.” We’re talking about NOW, not the past, so shut the fuck up.
People keep telling me to “work on my personality” for the benefit of women, which is hard when you get spit on by pretty much every entitled $^%#%@$^&$$#%@$#$$%@ you meet.
I do have money, because I’m not a lazy fat fuck and I work, and my parents have money too because they’re not fat lazy fucks and they work. But I see no point in therapy, because therapy can’t change the world.
Oh, don’t get me wrong, MRAL. I think you should work on your personality for the benefit of yourself.
Alternatively, I think you should stop blaming other people (people hate me because I’m slightly shorter than other people!) for things under your own control that drive people away from you (like your shitty personality). And actually, what I think you should or shouldn’t do is kind of beside the point. Just trying to keep it real, man.
I’m your height, MRAL, and I think racism is still a wee bit more of a problem. Short guys don’t get harassed by cops for driving the wrong car in the wrong neighborhood. Short guys don’t face nearly the same problem that African Americans face in finding employment. There aren’t whole organizations devoted to hating on short guys. Short guys aren’t routinely blamed for problems like crime, poverty, and drug abuse. Short guys aren’t specifically targeted by law enforcement. And the proportion of short guys in prison is not, to my knowledge, significantly larger than that of the general population.
Yeah, being short can be a disadvantage in dating. It was discouraging, when I was single, to read all those personal ads specifying 6’+ as the most important criterion. But it’s really not the worst form of discrimination in the world. Get some perspective, please.
Besides, how you define “getting spit on?” Are women literally spitting on you? Or are they just, you know, refusing to go out with you?
because therapy can’t change the world.
It can change you, but only if you’re willing. Right now it appears that you’re not ready. Ten years down the road, when the MRM fails to deliver on its promises, you may choose to reconsider. Or not. It is, after all, your life.
I think heightism is more subtle than racism. You’ve got some flaming racists out there, but I think political correctness has a kind of stranglehold on the issue for everyone else. Most people aren’t racists.
Since heightism is never discussed, I think the VAST MAJORITY of men above about 5’10 or so are heightists. They instinctively think they’re better than you, even if they can’t verbalize it. For the *$^#^@*$%%^@&@*es, they wouldn’t even give men below 6’billion a chance (so much for “personality”).
Besides, my status as a mutant freak is a bigger deal than my height. The height is just the shit topping.
Ok, I have been lurking around this site for weeks (maybe months) now, and I love it! I have refrained from posting mostly because everything I would want to add to the conversation has already been stated by numerous people as well as the fact that the resident MRA’s on the site rarely, if ever, respond to an actual argument and are generally wrong with their factual assertions, which leads me to believe that they are either deliberately trying to mislead people into following in their path, or they are deliberately maintaining their ignorance.
I would like to say first that I do believe there are areas in which a men’s rights movement could genuinely do some good. For instance, I think that the rate of prison rape is unacceptable and that is an issue that mostly affects men. However, I think it is despicable that a group of men who claim to be devoted to the betterment of their sex and to fighting for men’s rights do little more than sit around on the internet to bitch and moan about evil women. It strikes me that people who have legitimate concerns and a real desire to make changes do more than post anonymously on online forums. You want to change real problems facing men? Then get off your computer and find a way to actually change something!
And MRAL, seriously, I have been reading your comments for a while know. I understand that you feel like you have been dealt a shitty hand in life, but it may be time to actually sit down and think about the people who treat you badly and why that is. You claim that it is your height and messed up eye. The thing is, while it may be true that people find your appearance initially off-putting and that taller, more attractive people, have an easier time in life, it is also true that many short and physically unattractive lead very happy and successful lives, full of love. From the way you speak (well, technically write), you appear to be a relatively intelligent young man who was probably picked on in high school, thought things would get better in college, and haven’t yet found that group of people who accepts you. But you are awfully bitter for such a young person, and I have to ask, what is all of this anger, bitterness, and resentment getting you? Are you really making yourself happy by classifying people into groups that “prove” they are superior to you? Do you see happiness in your future brought to you by a movement with no stated way of achieving a goal? Is it possible that some of your anger is displaced? I ask this last question because you frequently spout off about how poorly the “Alpha” and “Beta” males treat you, but you place all of your anger and hatred squarely at the feet of women.
Anyway, as with the rest of the female posters on this site, I anticipate that you will promptly ignore everything I have said and chalk it up to the fact that I am an evil woman, and that is your choice. But I sincerely hope that someday you choose to live a happier life.
Besides, my status as a mutant freak is a bigger deal than my height. The height is just the shit topping.
No sympathy. I’ve known ugly motherfuckers who had no problems meeting women and getting in relationships–in fact they were far more successful than I (which is admittedly not saying much).
Actually, MRAL, I’m glad about this discussion, because it’s given me time to think about all the times I’ve blamed someone other than myself for my problems, and what a counter-productive waste of time it is. For that, you have my sincere thanks.
“People keep telling me to “work on my personality” for the benefit of women,”
Well, it IS women’s opinion you’re primarily concerned with, is it not?
“which is hard when you get spit on by pretty much every entitled $^%#%@$^&$$#%@$#$$%@ you meet.
Well, then, stop hitting on “entitled $^%#%@$^&$$#%@$#$$%@”s all the time.
LOL, I’m not asking for sympathy, posting on the femiasshole site Man Boobz is pretty much the worst place to do that. I’m presenting my case for the Greek system and why it needs to be dismantled, and the MRM has promised to do that.
AMRAL
Yes, MRAL, there are some women that won’t go out with guys shorter than them. You yourself have said that you wouldn’t consider going out with a woman that was fat. We all have our preferences, and if somebody doesn’t want to go out with you for any reason, well, why would you want to force them to? Don’t you want a relationship with someone who could actually like you for who you are?
But, I get the feeling you hate yourself so much that you don’t believe anyone could actually like you for ‘who you are.’ So, instead of dealing with your own low self esteem, you lash out at others that have committed no particular crime against you. And so, you create a self-fulfilling prophecy by being so unpleasant and bitter that nobody likes you.
I don’t have a problem with working on my personality for women, I’m just saying it’s difficult when BI%$^@TCHES won’t let you get within arm’s length to show them “your personality” unless you’re Brad Pitt
“If only all these BITCHES would see what a NICE GUY I am!”
Do you realize how that sounds?
MRAL – one more thing. You say that you look to the MRM to “dismantle” the greek system, correct? Except, that isn’t really what you want. You want it dismantled for men, sure, but you are perfectly comfortable with the system as it exists for women, no? I mean, your true concern with all of this is that the attractive women wont sleep with you, and you want a better chance. However, you have also said that what you want, as opposed to us fem-B*tches, is equality. Except F*ck those fat-omega b*tches, right? Because they are the lowest of the low and don’t actually deserve equal access to a good bang. Your argument is inherently inconsistent. Maybe that is why no one here supports it?
Also, how is the MRM going to “change” this system? Am I suddenly going to have no control over who I have sex with? Or are you going to redefine what is attractive? If you are going to redefine what is attractive, how are you going to do that? I’m just curious.
the MRM has promised to do that.
How, though, how? What’s the plan? I’d want to see a prospectus, at least.
Seriously, assuming that it’s even a valid way to see the world, how does the MRM propose to dismantle the Greek system? How do they propose to get “Alpha” women to date “Omega” men?
In other words, how do you know that they’re not just appealing to your sense of resentment in order to sell you a bunch of bullshit?