The general line amongst manosphere misogynists is that American women are a bunch of stuck-up princesses whose “ginas” – that is, vaginas – tingle only in the presence of “thugs” and “alpha males.” But one YouTube ranter calling himself LogicJunkie has a somewhat different theory, as he recently explained in a note to the moderator of the Happier Abroad forums. American women, it turns out, are basically all Nazis at heart, “preoccupied with … eugenic perfection in males.” Let’s follow LogicJunkie’s, er, logic:
American females regard as a “creep” any guy who isn’t at least six feet tall, with a pronounced chin, a jock physique, and, in general, Ken doll good Aryan looks. And money is important, too, but not nearly as important as the physiological eugenics. So, in good Germanic fashion, I think what they’re mainly concerned about, is somehow being contaminated by the mere presence of the inferior. …
America is, now more than ever, a Germano-eugenicist death camp, wrapped in the facade of “capitalism” and “corporatism” and “pop culture” and blah, blah, blah. But it’s all about covertly advancing the genetic omnipresence of the Teutonic physiological ideal.
I hate to poop on LogicJunkie’s logic here but, dude, if all the women you’re meeting turn out to be eugenics-obsessed, Aryan-fetishizing Nazis, it does not therefore follow that all American women are eugenics-obsessed, Aryan-fetishizing Nazis. It may just mean you should stop cruising for chicks at Klan meetings.
My uncle has a missing eye. It had a tumor on it when he was a kid and the doctors had to eventually remove it (he used to wear a glass eye in high school but eventually quit, so now he only has a perpetual wink). He’s also about 5’5″ on a good day. Funny, he’s never had a problem scoring with women and has had a series of three long-term relationships with gorgeous women over the last 20 years.
My mom also told me once that when she met him, she almost broke up with my dad to choose him instead. 😉
I work with a man who is short, has a malformed right eye, and is happily married. It is quite possible that his eye caused him difficulty in meeting his wife, but it was clearly not impossible. Now I must admit that the first several times I was on a project with this man I was disturbed by his eye, but now I don’t even notice it, to the point that it was not until now, in a discussion that involved the dating potential of a man with a malformed eye, that I even thought of him as a counter example.
There is hope for you MRAL, don’t just give up on improving your lot in life. It really sounds like you suffer from body dysmorphia, and body dysmorphia is really treatable.
Is anybody else thinking of ‘Phantom of the Opera’ now?
NWO, this movie talks about this problem quite nicely
http://www.letmewatchthis.ch/watch-1784375-Freakonomics
if you don’t like streaming and you have a netflix account they also have it. Otherwise I suggest finding a copy.
MRAL – I was not meaning to imply that the man who I married who had an eye deformity was as deformed as you – I couldn’t say either way having never seen a picture of you or your eye. The thing is, you cannot possibly believe that you are the most deformed person in the world. Seriously. There are many many people who are much more deformed than a single eye deformity for various reasons (birth, fire, car accidents, torture, abuse, etc.). I am sure some of these people have problems forming lasting relationships…but many of them also lead very happy lives.
Also, please remember that the internet connects people from all around the world. You having never personally met someone who has an eye deformity isn’t really that surprising. Multiple people from various places in the country or world knowing multiple people with eye deformities is actually not that surprising either.
Anyway, you can choose to believe or not believe me…no skin off my back either way. I’m definitely not writing on here to make myself feel better.
Wait a minute, MRAL is 5’8″? Oh sweet lord. That’s all of one inch below the national average for men. This guy’s taller than my dad.
Height is at LEAST 70% genetics, and furthermore, nutrition only really comes into play if you’re severely malnourished.
Yeah, this is what people kept telling NWO–you really need to check before you pull facts out of your ass. Diet plays a big factor in height. That’s why people in many Asian countries are getting taller and you suddenly have seven-foot Chinese basketball players. Immigrants to the U.S., regardless of ethnic background, reach the same average height as U.S. Caucasians within two generations (it takes two because maternal diet plays a part in the development of the fetus).
None of which has much to do with your particular case, I guess, since you are of perfectly normal height.
Good god, man. Five-eight.
While we’re on the subject of short men, may I add that I, a conventionally attractive, slender, young white woman with a good job (and health insurance! yay for government employment and unions!) am in a stable, long-term relationship with a guy who is about 4 inches shorter than you are, MRAL. I’m not tall, either, but I’m taller than he is by an inch and some change.
Oh, and I also make (slightly) more money than he does, which I mention only because MRAs also think women are all gold-diggers.
There’s not one uniform national average, that’s bull. Race (ie, genetics) plays a huge factor, way moreso than diet.
Average height for a young Caucasian man is 5’10.5. Young African-Americans are about the same, but that’s because they have a similar genetic makeup in that department. Hispanics and Asians are significantly shorter.
In my family, also, the expectation is to be tall. My YOUNGER brother is like 5’10 or so, it’s been psychologically difficult.
Hmmm, this guy has a disfigurement but I see no bitterness even though his life must be pretty difficult at times. He has become productive and works hard to make sure people become aware of his condition to find a cure. His mother, who also has is it, had five other children.
Yet, MRAL is filled with all the bitterness and rage this guy could have. But this guy does not. And that is why he gets to hand out with Beyonce and MRAL stays home ranting on his keyboard about how he hates the fatties he secretly wants.
Here’s what I bet you mean when you say, “spit on.” You asked out some girl out and she was kinda mean when she said no. And the head cheerleader wasn’t in love with you. And some meathead jock guys pushed you against a locker or something.
Sheesh, I don’t even think it’s that much. He keeps saying women spit on him every day, so I assume “spit on me” means “walk past me on the street without leaping on my cock.”
In all seriousness, being a nerdy girl with a lot of nerdy guy friends, I’ve known quite a few men who made it into their mid-to-late twenties without dating. Many of them came up with elaborate explanations for their lack of success with the ladies, which invariably boiled down to accusing women of being too shallow to appreciate them.
But really, they all had one simple thing in common: they didn’t actually ask any women out.
Eventually, every last one of them moved out of this phase, started socializing more, and hung out with more women. As soon as they did this, they started getting dates and girlfriends. Most of them are married now. One of them is married to me.
If my husband had decided to blame women, as a group, for his personal problems and all the ills of the world, and had chosen to construct elaborate theories about female inferiority and meretriciousness, there is no way in hell I would have remained friends with him, let alone dated him. I mean, that’s just common sense.
*hang not hand
Are you kidding me? A man who goes into his late 20s without dating has got to be incredibly rare. I’m ALREADY the worst I know and I’m only 20.
Despite the stereotype of Asians as short, Asian-American men are about the same average height as Caucasian-American and African-American men. Men actually born in Asia are shorter, but getting taller in recent generations (notice all those Chinese basketball players all of a sudden?). Hispanic-American men average shorter because the majority of Hispanic families haven’t been in the U.S. for two generations yet.
MRAL, you’re four inches taller than the average woman. Don’t you feel some pity for all those women who are shorter than you and the discrimination they face? You think women don’t get taken less seriously and passed over for promotions because of their height?
Are you kidding me? A man who goes into his late 20s without dating has got to be incredibly rare. I’m ALREADY the worst I know and I’m only 20.
Oh, you’re 20. And you believe what guys your age tell you about their sex lives. That explains it. Good luck, kid.
I think heightism only affects men (another reason women are the privileged class). Heightists somehow exempt women and also short women have NO problem attracting men, in fact they have it easier than tall women (relatively speaking, of course, since even nonfat tall women can get dick pretty much on demand).
Not that rare – my current boyfriend hadn’t had a single girlfriend until he met me when he was 24. He was bitter toward some women (the ones who had actually treated him poorly), but if he had been bitter toward all we certainly wouldn’t be dating now.
MRAL – do you think that maybe, just maybe, you blaming all women everywhere for the way some women (and men) have treated you has even a little bit to do with the reason women don’t want to date you now? Also, if you are only 20 I repeat my earlier sentiment that you are far too young to be this bitter and I highly suggest you try to find the real root of the problem.
20 is an adult. And I base this on observation, not secondhand accounts.
20 is an adult, yes. But a young adult with a lot of life to live and a lot of formative years ahead of you. I suspect you are in college? Why are you spending so much of your time here, rather than out meeting new people?
It explains a lot about MRAL-he is an adult. He is an adult in the sense that the guys I know in the Libertarian movement who think Ron Paul is the answer to all of life’s problems.
They all are around 20 too but that does not mean that they know the answers or why Ron Paul is just yet another politician.
My boyfriend is 5’6″. I’m 5’8″ and love to wear heels, so I typically tower over him. Somehow I still manage to fuck the shit out of him – because he carries himself with confidence despite his height, and he’s a fantastic partner in so many respects. The fact that he’s totally my type in all other physical aspects (black hair, dark complexion, deep voice, hairy chest) doesn’t hurt, either. There’s women out there who are attracted to men of all colors, shapes, and sizes, but no one’s attracted to a shitty personality.
As for height disparities, my boyfriend doesn’t seem to mind it too much – when I wear heels, it put his face right at boob-level.
MRAL: My library science instructor had a glass eye, and a wife. My grandmother had a congenital cataract; her right eye was milky white. As you may infer, she had a husband.
“The problem Horatio lies not in our stars, but in ourselves.”
The plural of anecdote is data (the trick is to analyse it). A lot of people here (myself included) are outside the realm of the Alphas you describe. Some of us are outside the Betas. Almost all of them say this hasn’t hurt them in getting laid, much less getting a partner.
So what is so special about you? It’s not as if your reaction here was based on your looks/somatype. It was the insults and the anger.
I’ve spent a lot of time in a career (military interrogator and interrogation instructor) paying attention to how people do things, and I will lay pretty good money you are just as angry when you go out, trying to get women’s attention. You may not swear at them, or call them bitches, to their face, but every facial tic, when someone you think if “fat” approaches, is being noticed.
Your tones of voice, and the ways in which you expect to be treated badly show.
You, and only you, can fix that. It’s not any harder than someone who is a little overweight losing some pounds. It’s a whole lot easier than it is for me to add weight.
But if what you want is a bunch of MRA types to tell you that 1: you are an Omega, and deserve nothing more. 2: No woman with any self-respect would deign to soil herself with you. 3: Someday they will be in charge and all that will change. 4: Until they you just have to suck it up.
Well if that’s what you count as support… I’m sorry for you. People here have pointed out that it’s not that way, that there are people who like all sorts of people, body-types, etc. and are willing to bang them silly, stchupp them senseless, fuck them raw, screw them until they can’t walk, (insert long string of phrases for lots of sex) even fall in love with them and do it regularly.
All you have to do is let go of the anger.
It’s all up to you.
In my family, also, the expectation is to be tall. My YOUNGER brother is like 5’10 or so, it’s been psychologically difficult.
BRB, lolling forever. You go too far, troll. That’s awesome.
When *THASF* returns, you guys should hang out.
OK, maybe that was an exaggeration, it’s not really that difficult. And there isn’t an “expectation” to be tall. I was just venting there.