Computer Engineer Barbie is sick of this bullshit.
Ever wonder why there are so few women engineers? Well, wonder no more, because carchamp1 over on the Men’s Rights subreddit has the answer! It’s apparently his wife’s fault, or something. In a comment with two dozen upvotes at last count, he explains:
I put my wife through four years of college to be an engineer. That’s four years worth of college tuition and expenses, plus not having any income from her. She got a great job and worked for a couple years. She decided she didn’t want to work anymore so she could be a “stay-at-home-mom”. When I urged her to work she said if I didn’t like it she would take our kid and I could leave.
Women don’t want to be engineers that’s why there are so few. It’s too hard. It’s a lot easier doing the “hardest job in the world”, you know, be a mom and living off your husband.
End of story.
Yeah, it’s not like there might be any other reasons beyond laziness and ingratitude, or anything.
I once took a spatial test as part of an assessment and according to the tester who did them as a matter of regularity got the fastest time they’d ever seen. I am, therefore, a unicorn or something. Although I suspect people looking to explain it away will go right to my autism for extra punch. IRRELEVANT! LADY HAS ONE OF THOSE “EXTREME MALE BRAINS”
>>>Radiophobia and opposition to nuclear technology are far problematic than feminism and women’s liberation.
Nuclear energy is an inefficient method of energy production that has never been commercially viable. It only serves as a mean for a few corporations to syphon off taxpayer money in subsidies from the government (which is the only thing keeping those power plants profitable). The entire policy of the United States government towards nuclear energy is the result of a PR push by the DoD to stamp out anti-nuclear sentiments. The only useful purpose of nuclear energy is warfare, and while it’s not something the experts from the federal government will admit publicly (as it would be detrimental to their PR efforts), they are clearly aware of that fact given their reactions to Iran’s own nuclear ambitions.
that’s awesome zhinxy…getting the fastest time that is, not their sexist surprise at your result ._.
Quackers – Well, its an interesting thing, too. Until I was told I had what apparently are freakishly exceptional spatial skills, I would have just assumed mine were average, and to tell you the truth, probably would have, without thinking about it, assumed mine were average “FOR A WOMAN” – Whereas if I was a guy with actual average or below average spatial reasoning, I might have assumed mine was average FOR A MAN, and therefore better than women I encountered. These things are important in your measure of your own talents and abilities.
Of course Quackers, I completely agree. It was just “if I’m very wrong and every credible study I’ve read of heard of is wrong or lying”
Which reminds me of a study a while ago, about the performing of boys and girls in the classroom depending of the way the subject is presented.
Let’s see I can find it back…
Ok, here it is (older than I thought, 2001): “Geometry Versus Drawing: Changing the Meaning of the Task as a Means to Change Performance ”
http://www.springerlink.com/content/xg58062qw2933m18/
Basically, when they told the class it was math, specifically geometry, the boys performed better; when they said it was a drawing exercise (while being the same as the above) boys and girls had the same average results.
When confirmation bias meet sexism – and what it’s like to do science as a female, in 10 words –
http://xkcd.com/385/
Ah… Thanks for reminding me why I love… and hate… arguing around here. There are a lot of very smart people here who are good at reasoning. But, then they simply turn around and start mocking people and presenting one ad-hominem after another. It gets very frustrating when you are attempting to have a discussion. Protip: Manipulating another person’s emotions is not an argument.
Tell me, was this the same thread that you and your friends said that a Drupal hacker who claims that she has never experienced sexism in technology was being unreasonable in saying that?
Um… Are you even trying to understand my argument? This is such a strawman.
Plus, we all know that the real villains are the NinjaPirateCommieLawierNaziZombieRobots from the Marians Trench.
. There are a lot of very smart people here who are good at reasoning. But, then they simply turn around and start mocking people and presenting one ad-hominem after another. It gets very frustrating when you are attempting to have a discussion. Protip: Manipulating another person’s emotions is not an argument.
Well, this is more a mocking site than a serious debate site, dude. People just barging in with a list of arguments, and then acting like everybody is suddenly involved in formal debate with them, and needs to act like it, is a special kind of trolling. It’s basically, Now! I declare you must answer my points to my satisfaction now! With the tone of my choosing! Dance for me! Dance!
Oh, sorry, I mean, WHY ARE YOU NOT DEBATING ME FAIRLY AND LOGICALLY?!!!!
Shorter zhinxy…
Pro-tip – please note the manboobz.com tagline.
“Misogyny. I mock it.”
There are a lot of very smart people here who are good at reasoning. But, then they simply turn around and start mocking people and presenting one ad-hominem after another. It gets very frustrating when you are attempting to have a discussion. Protip: Manipulating another person’s emotions is not an argument.
He sounds so CONCERNED doesn’t he? xD And ttlly not trying to guilt, manipulate or nething XD “There are a lot of smart people who are good at reasoning, you can DO BETTER” is ttlly not manipulating emotions xD
Neways, so to clarify… Dev guy is upset because this is a debate? o_O What are we debating? He should let us at least know the point he’s debating and provide his evidence then. :3
We should at least know when we’re doing a random debate encounter. FIGHTITEMRUN!
Also Zhinxy, he’s ttlly ignoring your “what about x people in history that didn’t get the training despite obvious brilliance?” Thing I notice too XD So much for debate.
I’m sure he considered that an ad-hominem too. xD
There’s actually A LOT of good faith debating by the MBZers here… o_o The trolls always have this narrative of “I COME HERE LOOKING FOR DEBATE AND YOU GUYS ARE SO SMART BUT WHEN I START WINNING YOU ALWAYS END UP WITH THE AD HOMS” thing tho XD Actually usually it goes that MBZers debate, and show evidence and ask for evidence, and the troll slips and slides and dodges and evades and talks in generalities but refuses to address questions to clarify, or points or nething… and then when ppl laugh at that and point it out, then it’s YOU DON’T WANT A SERIOUS DEBATE! XD
Kinda like what’s going on now! 😀
So okay… Dev Guy vs Zhinxy round one? 😀 I’ll ref. :] What’s the debate topic and what are the rules? :3
I’ve always been interested in why trolls show up, if they’re trying to convince us of something, like affect us and change our minds. Cuz if they do, they certainly never seem to really try. They don’t have evidence, they have vague claims, and they’re very dodgy when asked what specifically they want us to believe, and to elaborate. o_O
Honestly, as I’ve said before. I’m pretty sure the trolls just come here because they want a fight. Like not a debate, a fight. No troll is here to debate honestly, or affect our opinions, or change minds, or convince us to fight on their side and become allies to the MRA cause. They’re here because they don’t like that we’re mocking them, and they want to make us mad, angry, confused and upset XD Or just to frustrate us… they’re party crashers, and while many of them might believe some of the stuff they say, they aren’t here to debate that, and usually they haven’t really come to any of their conclusions through evidence, but it’s stuff they know they can derail and fight about. They know this is a mockery site, and they want to dampen the fun and turn the tables (or at least in their fantasy scenarios xD ) and thus we get the people we do, who say things, and claim things and etc etc but don’t want to hash it out XD
So, how are you folks better than the “feministz are destroying the western civilizationz” crowd that you mock again? Or, for that matter, better than trolls?
Damnit, got ninjed.
You aren’t sure of anything I’m thinking or feeling. How on earth would you know?
I’ll go ahead and answer that specific case right now. You are talking about a case from the 18th century. Are you telling me that modern society is no different? That everything from industrialization to woman’s liberation have had no effect? I fail to see how this is an example of sexism in the industry or academia today.
Nice bit of profiling here… So, remind me how you are reading my mind again?
Dev: You keep saying that women are inferior. You say it can be, “trained around” but even that language says the women in question need extra help/to be worked around, to get them to even equivalant ability.
Re Title IX, the issue isn’t (and never has been) “quotas”, and that article doesn’t say quotas. It says a compliance study is being authorised, perhaps even mandated, to make sure the disparities aren’t the result of discrimination.
Athletics are, by the way, a red herring in the issue. Schools are not prohibited from having male athletics. Nor are they required to let women into any sport. What they are required to do is spend an equal amount of money. This means that schools with footbal programs have a problem, because football is hideously expensive.
So, because they want to keep football they cut other sports (which, like tennis, or fencing, or even baseball, allow far more students to participate), and blame it on Title IX, when in fact they have made monetary decisions (1: to accept federal funding, which has known requirements, 2: to spend tens/hundreds of millions of dollars on one sport, which has only a small number of students taking part).
And you aren’t being honest in your debate. You accuse people of engaging in ad hominem, and engage in it.
When Ami talked about trolls in general you 1: pretended it was specifically about you, and 2: didn’t address the points but said, “Nice bit of profiling here… So, remind me how you are reading my mind again?, as if that invaldidated the argument put forth.
Which is the definition of ad hominem.
AU CONTRAIRE! It is extremely efficient. Thanks to eco/media-hype inducing anti-nuclear hysteria, the US government has put a moratorium on the nuclear industry so no more nuclear power plants can be built. Why do computer scientists pretend to know anything about physics? 😛 In fact, nuclear energy could be made even more efficient, along with much safer and controllable, with gas core reactors that use a *magnetic bottle* to contain the resulting plasma(much like the Tokamak rings used for fusion research).
It is wind power is what is truly inefficient and so much so that it isn’t economically viable on its own and requires massive government subsidies.