By David Futrelle
Incels don’t just talk endlessly about how much they hate women and want to shoot them. Sometimes they talk about more pleasant topics, like horses. And why women are “degenerate whores” who, like horses, “need to be tamed.”
Or so runs the argument of an incel calling himself Alpha_Fucks_Beta_Bux, who posted an oh-so-thoughtful message in the Braincels subreddit not too long ago with the title “Hating holes for being whores is as silly as hating a horse for running wild.”
Oh, by the way, “holes” is AFBB’s preferred term for women, presumably because cis women have one more penis-accommodating hole in their nether regions than cis men.
Anyway, AFBB brought with him a message of love, incel-style.
“I understand the hatred for holes,” he explained,
but ultimately I think it’s silly. It is simply in a hole’s nature to be a degenerate Chadmongering whore.
AFBB urged his fellow incels not to hate the he half of humanity that he had just reduced to one body part and then tried to shame as “whores.” Instead, he urged men to treat women with the utmost respect and …
Just kidding. He urged his fellow incels to pity women instead. And then take away their rights.
I know it sounds like a cope, but in all honesty I pity them. Their only contribution to humanity has been to spread their legs and they know it. This is proven by the fact that two incels alone (Tesla/Newton) have contributed more to humanity than holes have since the dawn of our species.
After draping all men in the glory of these two dudes, he compared women to a popular farm animal.
Just like horses, women are underdeveloped beasts who need to be tamed. This is proven by the fact that they have smaller brains than men. Also proven by all the greatest minds throughout history who confirmed the belief that women are nothing more than uncivilised savages giving in to every lust possible.
In case you’re keeping track, in just the first two paragraphs of his post, this dude has compared women to:
- Holes
- Whores
- Horses
- Beasts
- Savages
And all to promote his message of love triumphing over hate!
So instead of hating women I hate the simps who for whatever fucking reason decided to give in to holes’ demands and give them equal rights.
Once again I find myself utterly baffled as to why incels can’t get a date.
The men who lived before us had these creatures tamed. Instead of continuing to live like we had, they decided to unleash these beasts on society.
It is not a coincidence that less than one century after holes got equal rights, society is already on the brink of collapse.
Well, maybe we are on the brink of civilizational collapse, but I’m pretty sure that women aren’t the ones primarily responsible for the climate catastrophe, the return of Nazism, or Donald Trump.
In the comments, a Redditor called lmaooolmfao took the horse metaphor and galloped away with it.
“[I]f some unknown farmer lets his horses run free,” he began,
and they are everywhere shitting in the street blocking traffic destroying your way of life how do you fix it? you say i hate these damn horses and find other men who think that way too until you have enough men to round them up and put them in a new pen.
AFBB replied:
Ultimately, another farmer(cuck) will release the horses from their pen. First we need to deal with the simps and cucks before we can deal with the holes.
Lmaooolmfao suggested that maybe the real solution is just to ban women from voting.
[A]fter putting them in the pen then we would make new laws because we have just learnt the lesson. what is even dealing with cucks mean? you deal with it by removing the vote of women.
AFBB responded again, this time by railing against … trans women and abortion?
Just like we had laws against degeneracy before they were given rights. All these laws were revoked. Those cucks are allowing men in dresses to enter showers with little girls, they’re enabling infanticide, they’re enabling holes to run wild which is destroying civilisation.
Wait, why are these “men in dresses” getting into the shower anyway? Shouldn’t they take off the dresses first?
AFBB then returned to his anti-simp rant.
Before we address the issue of simps in today’s society, nothing we do will solve the issue. All we’ll be doing is kicking the can down the road. Eventually the simps will feel bold enough to give them rights again if we remove them. I honestly don’t know how we can deal with the cucks, that’s something people who are a lot smarter than you and me need to figure out.
Wait, are the cucks and the simps the same people or are they different groups? I’m so confused. But then again I don’t care enough to try to find out the answer.
Our ancestors built civilisation which has lasted for over 5000 years. If we are replicate their success we need long term solutions.
All I can say is: TEAM CUCK/SIMP all the way.
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…I have no idea what ponyplay people typically do in private, but at BDSM and alt-culture events it’s all prancing, cart pulling, and non-sexual petting.
On topic, for incels “degeneracy” basically seems like it means “anyone but me having sex, and OMG, all-those non-normals are even having more sex than me and I’m the most normal of them all!”
@tim gueguen
Gives new meaning to “stay golden, pony boy”
Newton came from my home town so I’m ready to fight the incels for claiming him. As Hexum7 says, he would most likely be gay in modern terms. And although he was into some weird stuff (he made up colours so the rainbow would have seven colours because he thought seven was special) I’m pretty sure he wasn’t devoting 95% of his waking hours to coming up with new and bizarre analogies for women like these guys.
Wow. I sincerely wish that women everywhere could read three books by Sally Miller Gearhart, in the following order – The Wanderground, Kanshou, and Magister.
I have been reading these books every year since the late 1970’s, when The Wanderground was first published. Together, the three books deal with the different stages of real change, beginning with leaving the men, and those women who choose obedience and servitude, behind in the cities, heading to the hills and other wild places in order to create new societies by re-creating ourselves in our own images, and ending with finding what we, and the earth (called in the 2 final books “Little Blue”), truly want and need. Much in these books is worth experimenting with, which is what is beginning to happen here in the consciousness raising group that my friends and I are starting.
No man can define a woman, know what and how she thinks and dreams, or presume the right to draw the parameters of her life. So clowns like this are not worth our time and energy, other than laughter. It really is time to try new approaches, learn new skills, develop the power(s) we have been taught, for many reasons, to deny, and put the lie to the patriarchal myths that say that women do not/cannot work together or be true friends or create civilizations of astonishing intelligence and beauty.
Just because they deleted us from their “official” histories does not mean that we have not been there, creating and building as much or more than they. And we are still here.
Newton, at the same time as Leibniz, developed a method of calculus. They both did it independent from another. No plagiarism involved.
Only Leibniz’ version is better. And easier to use, read, etc. It’s the method everyone uses today.
Newton developed his method in 1666, but only published it in 1687, 21 years later.
Leibniz got started in 1675 and published in 1684.
According to today’s standards he would be the sole inventor of calculus.
Things were different back then, though.
Pretty soon pamphlets were published accusing one of plagiarizing the other. Things really kicked off when Newton wrote a report for the royal society claiming Leibniz had plagiarized him.
Then Bernoulli wrote an attack letter on Newton.
The end result? People on the continent happily used the Leibniz method, while the British hobbled themselves by sticking to Newton for more than a century, holding British mathematicians back in the process.
In my opinion one of the more epic pissing contests in history.
@Dormousing_it
Whales have massive brains compared to humans!
I also read somewhere that while male brains on the whole are slightly larger than female brains, the female ones tend to have more connections. Brain size is not an indicator of intelligence, not that any of these dingbats care to research the subject?♀️
@epronovost
Fascinating! Could you suggest some reading material to learn more?
No. Leave wild horses wild. Treat domestic horses with kindness. Also, educate yourself instead of spreading your ignorance.
https://americanwildhorsecampaign.org/media/wild-horses-healthy-pregnant
https://www.aspca.org/animal-protection/equine-welfare
Elephants’ brains are larger than men’s brains. Should elephants rule the world?
What great minds said this? Name one.
And I’ll remind you that your comments are in a quarantined community on Reddit. Who’s the uncivilized savage now.
@ kat
Works for me.
Also, elephant clans tend to be matriarchal; so that would keep the feminists happy!
@Alan
Works for me too! But somehow I don’t think it will work for incels. I can just hear their complaints now: Too large. Too gray. Too wrinkled. Kind of like their complaints about middle-aged women.
Ho hum. Another day, another alt-right-adjacent [incel/lobtserboi/MRA/PUA/etc.] yearning to make the Republic of Gilead a reality.
Meanwhile, we have fascism marching in the streets. Not just the latest Proud Boys events, which thankfully saw low turnout by fascists and higher turnout by antifascists, but the official kind, with armor:
https://truthout.org/articles/trumps-july-fourth-tank-display-is-a-glaring-sign-of-fascism/
The concentration camps are multiplying like mushrooms after a rainstorm:
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/451601-ocasio-cortez-says-us-is-headed-to-fascism-under-trump
And behind the scenes shadowy corporate forces pull strings and influence regimes:
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/02/mckinsey-company-capitals-willing-executioners
There’s no doubt who those corporate forces will align with when push comes to shove. They backed Hitler in the early 1930s when it looked like socialists might actually gain power. Who will they be backing in 2020 if Warren or Sanders is nominated?
I think events are approaching a critical juncture, and it’s likely to depend on the economic collapse that’s coming, in particular its precise timing and severity:
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/30/737476633/what-just-happened-also-occurred-before-the-last-7-u-s-recessions-reason-to-worr
If the bottom falls out early enough in the primary season it might serve to discredit the centrists and benefit the Sanders/Warren branch of the Dems … making the shadowy “deep capitalism” forces (McKinsey, other similar businesses, Bilderberg, Davos) desperate enough to more vigorously push things toward fascism instead. It should also discredit Trump’s presidency, but perhaps not non-Trump GOPpers, especially any (if there still are any) who can distance themselves from the regime. And if it’s bad enough it could create the pretext for Trump to declare some kind of emergency and “postpone” (indefinitely) the election. With the blessing, most likely, of the shadow-capitalist cabals.
On the other hand if it’s swift and severe enough it will hurt, but it will also cripple the shadow-capitalists by wiping out much of their paper valuations. This might actually be the best case scenario, in which the capitalists are stripped of much of what gives them so much influence before they have much time in which to act, and any emergency measures are influenced by the needs of everyday people instead. Relocalization, local scrip, and other such measures, say. Hyperinflation would get the job done in a matter of weeks, and without killing civilization.
Later timing makes things worse in some ways. If it hits after most or all of the primary season, the Dems might nominate a centrist, but if it also hits before the general election, it might kill Trump’s re-election chances and that centrist might actually win. If it holds off until after the general election, all bets are off, but that is perhaps the least likely outcome.
If it’s mild, or slow to get rolling (mild at first), it might somewhat discredit Trump in the eyes of the subset of his fans who like to point to unemployment and Dow Jones numbers to justify clinging to him, hurting him in the election, but it might not help the leftier Dems much.
But I doubt it can be mild. There is a huge amount of never-payable debt in the system, all of which shows up on lender balance sheets somewhere as “assets” — assets that will go up in smoke very soon, as soon as circumstances make it clear that those debts won’t ever actually be collected on at anything close to their face values. I’m frankly astonished that this didn’t happen in 2008, but somehow they managed to keep the financial sector on life support all the way through it. I doubt that what they did will work a second time, though. In any event there’s a debt bubble that has to burst sooner or later and when it does it will be like a dino-killer asteroid hit the financial sector. The likely minimum severity here when it does go is “October 1929 all over again”. And Trump’s reckless trade wars and fiddling with the Fed increase the likelihood that something sets it off sooner rather than later. But the fuse is already burning, I think: interest rates are low here and negative in parts of Europe. Raising them will set off the debt bomb. Leaving them to sink will make it cheaper to stuff dollar bills into a mattress than to deposit at a bank, and once enough people figure that out the banks will suffer a liquidity crisis ala 2008. Either way, kaboom.
What are others’ thoughts on this situation? It feels like we’re sitting on I-don’t-know-how-many crates of dynamite with a fire raging nearby. Between the escalating signs of fascism and the state of the economy …
Ok, reading “men in dresses getting into showers with little girls” gave me a picture of a really devoted father, who got dressed up as Ariel by his daughter and is now going fight Ursula with her.
Probably not what they had in mind
@Kat:
Same for the oft-trotted-out argument that men are physically stronger than women, therefore nature has ordained that men should rule over women. Elephants and gorillas are stronger than men, so shouldn’t we be subservient to them?
Pick any characteristic that incels value, and you can always find a species or object that’s better at it than humans. Computers are faster at computation and more logical than us. Cheetahs are faster. Trees are taller. Rocks are tougher. Bees have done far more good in the world than incels. What makes us unique as a species is precisely what incels lack: creativity, vision, imagination, empathy, awareness, wonder, love.
As for horses, this guy’s argument is just the same old tired double standard whereby women’s natural instincts (to choose a mate who isn’t a repellant, nihilistic POS) are degenerate and need to be controlled and reshaped by the full weight of the law, while men’s natural instincts (to rape and murder) are justifiable, perfectly acceptable, and must never be interfered with.
@ kat
I am loving your manifesto!
I wonder when the toxic idea that men ‘gave’ women their rights like an exhausted mom giving in to her screaming toddler at the candy aisle will finally lose its ability to piss me off.
SIr Isaac Newton not only wasn’t an incel, he was a complete refutation of one of their core beliefs: that they need to get laid because nobody respects a male virgin. Newton was one of the most respected men of his day and one of the greatest physicists who ever lived. If their worldview was accurate, they would’ve laughed him out of every university and ignored all his revolutionary views on physics, and we’d be measuring units of force in “Chads,” not Newtons.
“Our ancestors built civilisation which has lasted for over 5000 years” yes notwithstanding things like oh…the dark ages after the all of Rome, the collapse of the Bronze age civilization circa 1770 b.c.e; Egyptian history records two extensive periods of chaos called rather bloodlessly the Intermediate periods in addition to eras of foreign domination; In the Americas Pre Columbian Civilizations rose and fell on a regular basis, gong back further the society that built Stonehenge vanished.
indeed the history of civilization is more of a history of the rise and fall of a society followed by a period of painful rebuilding. There isn’t one civilization and none of these folks should be taking credit for any of them.
@Buttercup I suspect some of the manosphere crowd would be perfectly all right with computers running things. I can see them deciding that since computers were created by men(of course ignoring the roles women played) and are logical they’ll favour men and their logical(yeah, right) ways. Of course they’ll be greatly upset when their much wished for sexbots develop sentience and decide, based on logic, that they shouldn’t be allowed near the reigns of power.
If these dudes want to take credit for building “civilization”, and liken women to “underdeveloped beasts who need to be tamed”, they should look at the history of the horse more closely. Because it was arguably horses that made US civilized, and not the other way ’round:
@Kat said it best:
Seriously. I went to the Royal Agricultural Winter Fair (known colloquially as The Royal) a couple years ago and they had an exhibit about all the regulations and oversight related to horses in Ontario. There’s a lot of law that applies to them: http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/livestock/index.html#horses
The conversation I had with one of the Animal Welfare inspectors was quite enlightening as to what they’re on the lookout for when it comes to healthy (or unhealthy) environments for animals.
OT, but I watched quite possibly the worst war film I’ve ever seen in my entire life this weekend. And by “watched”, I meant occasionally glanced at it playing on my laptop as I was playing Star Trek Online.
Worse than Windtalkers. Worse than Inchon! It’s a movie that makes Pearl Harbor look like Bridge On The River Kwai.
And that movie is Gods and Generals.
Which is a shame because I wanted to like it. I liked Gettysburg as both a war film and an historical drama. Yes, it had its obnoxious Lost Cause moments and was firmly stuck up Robert E. Lee’s ass for a lot of the running time, but it did have the decency to lay out the stakes early (Jeff Daniels’ speech is stirring stuff) and it depicted a clear Union victory for which Lee’s shortsightedness and overconfidence was directly at fault (in direct opposition to the Lost Cause myth). Furthermore, it has obvious (if inaccurate) character motivations, narrative tension and a complete arc for all the main players.
In short, it’s actually a movie. It’s a long movie, clocking in at more than four hours, but it has the decency to build up the three-day battle until its climax with Pickett’s Charge so that it doesn’t feel that long.
Gods and Generals, by contrast, decided to be a talky biopic of Stonewall Jackson that turned the Lost Cause crapola up to 11 while simultaneously not having any characters to speak of, let alone arcs. It jumps around between about four different battles, not showing any of them for long, basically just acting as an expensive reunion for the Gettysburg cast. “Hey, remember W. Morgan Sheppard? Here he is for twelve seconds of screen time!” Not only do we not have any actual characters, but it also fills out the same four-hour running time with a mixture of death premonitions, subplots that go nowhere and unconvincing CGI battle palettes that are reused repeatedly. So while Gettysburg felt shorter than its four-hour length, Gods and Generals feels like it ate up half a day.
TL;DR — Don’t watch Gods and Generals. Watch Glory instead. Or if you’re feeling extra cynical, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly is probably my favourite take on the Civil War.
@ Katamount:
My spouse and I spend every rewatch of The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly shouting “Watch out, you’re going to fall into the war again!” at Blondie and Tuco.
They always want to take the “wild” out of something to make it subservient, submissive, dependent, and unable to survive on its own. Then they’d probably claim that it’s the true nature to be that way.
Small thought, I wonder if they think of their mothers in this manner, and what their mothers would think about it.
@Robert
They’ve openly talked about wanting to fuck their own mother. I doubt they care.