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Congrats! A Voice for Men and Return of Kings have both been designated hate groups by the SPLC

Paul Elam of A Voice for Men: Now officially a hatemonger

By David Futrelle

A big round of applause for two websites that have featured here on We Hunted the Mammoth from the beginning: A Voice for Men and Return of Kings have both been officially recognized by the Southern Poverty Law Center as hate groups. 

The hate-monitoring group announced the news in its latest “Year in Hate” report yesterday. “[F]or the first time,” the report declared,

the SPLC added two male supremacy groups to the hate group list: A Voice for Men, based in Houston, and Return of Kings, based in Washington, D.C. The vilification of women by these groups makes them no different than other groups that demean entire populations, such as the LGBT community, Muslims or Jews, based on their inherent characteristics.

Both groups have more than earned this long-overdue designation. If you need to be reminded just how, take a stroll through the archives here for literally hundreds of examples of hateful rhetoric and actions by both AVFM and RoK, and/or their respective founders, Paul Elam and Roosh V.

You may also notice, in your stroll through the archives, that both AVFM and (especially) RoK have embraced some of the most noxious views of the racist alt-right directly. Indeed, one of the most notorious participants in the racist Charlottesville march last year — a man jailed for his assault on a counterprotester — was a former contributor to AVFM.

Elam’s response so far to his recognition as a hatemonger by the SPLC has actually been somewhat tame, at least by his standards.

https://twitter.com/anearformen/status/966383611841859586

https://twitter.com/anearformen/status/966386487846686725

He also retweeted this lovely sentiment from someone whose Twitter handle is a not-very-subtle reference to the c-word.

https://twitter.com/KruntFrucker/status/966385645743755264

This dude was even more pissed:

https://twitter.com/has_baal/status/966405995999227904

Roosh’s response to his inclusion on the list was a bit, shall we say, ironic as well:

https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/966402313341595652?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Thanks for proving the SPLC’s point, guys!

The SPLC report also notes a number of other discomfiting facts, starting with this one:

The SPLC’s Year in Hate and Extremism report identifies 954 hate groups – an increase of 4 percent from 2016.

Some of this increase, the report says, was due to a resurgence of fringe black nationalist groups — which the SPLC is quick to distinguish from “activist groups such as Black Lives Matter and others that work for civil rights and to eliminate systemic racism.”

But the real danger comes from the racist right.

[B]lack nationalist groups lagged far behind the more than 600 hate groups that adhere to some form of white supremacist ideology – and they have virtually no supporters or influence in mainstream politics, much less in the White House.

Within the white supremacist movement, neo-Nazi groups saw the greatest growth – from 99 groups to 121. Anti-Muslim groups rose for a third straight year. They increased from 101 chapters to 114 in 2017 – growth that comes after the groups tripled in number a year earlier.

Ku Klux Klan groups, meanwhile, fell from 130 groups to 72. The decline is a clear indication that the new generation of white suprem­acists is rejecting the Klan’s hoods and robes for the hipper image of the more loosely organized alt-right movement.

The overall number of hate groups likely understates the real level of hate in America, because a growing number of extremists, particularly those who identify with the alt-right, operate mainly online and may not be formally affiliated with a hate group.

These groups not only spew hatred; they have helped to spur a frightening rise in racist violence — and murder.

separate SPLC investigation, released earlier this month, found that 43 people were killed and 67 wounded by young men associated with the alt-right over the past four years. Seventeen of the deaths came in 2017.

So AVFM and RoK are in some pretty shitty company here.

252 replies on “Congrats! A Voice for Men and Return of Kings have both been designated hate groups by the SPLC”

Oh sure, teachers with guns, that’ll go well.

Because as everyone knows, teachers are never violent or abusive toward kids. Why, I myself have been the not-victim of not-violence from not-a-teacher at least once, and have witnessed many more similar not-incidents.

I have a better idea but it runs afoul of the comments policy.

@Sseba,

I think there was more than one seagull-hunter thread, but others might recall better than me.

That reminded me of Miggy, which made me laugh; then I looked back at a couple of older threads and saw Fran posting, which made me sad 😭

So. Armed teachers. What could possibly go wrong?!

Just imagine there is another school shooting.

And Mr. Smith, the geography teacher, is patrolling the hall with a rifle, looking for the shooter, when the police come across him.

The police see a man with a gun, during an active shooter situation, and kill him.

Meanwhile, Ms Jones, close to retirement, eyesight not what it once was, comes across someone with a gun and shoot them.

Unfortunately that was Mr. Miller, the science teacher, whom she didn’t recognize due to bad eyesight and adrenaline.

Also, are the teachers supposed to take the guns home with them?

If not, schools will need an armory. And soon there will be people robbing schools for the guns.

Arming teachers is fractally wrong.

It would solve none of the problems it’s supposed to solve and create a whole lot of new ones.

The obvious solution of gun control legislation is against the financial interests of the NRA and weapons manufacturers.

I saw a clearer picture of the cue card – one line was simply “Listen.” On the other hand, I am hoping for changes as a result.

the lovely-named “krunt frucker” establishes that he is not hateful:

YOU ARE FIRST AGAINST THE WALL.

well done….

/s

Sinkable John:

Because as everyone knows, teachers are never violent or abusive toward kids. Why, I myself have been the not-victim of not-violence from not-a-teacher at least once, and have witnessed many more similar not-incidents.

That happens, and it sucks that it happened to you. And if teachers are armed, this will get worse. Because you’d be asking teachers to kill their own students, and the good teachers, the non-abusive ones, the ones who change lives for the better, will say “hell no, I didn’t get into teaching to kill a kid I’ve nurtured for years”. And they’ll leave the profession.

I suppose I wouldn’t mind much if Trump had notes to remind him of wonkish details about policy, or crime statistics. But that’s the kind of aide-mémoire he’d never bother with, because he doesn’t think facts matter. Instead, he has notes which remind him to simulate being human. And yet it’s Hillary who’s supposed to be a lizard?

No, it’s definitely the right one.

Lol, Dave thinks he’s being so clever by mentioning an island that is entirely populated by birds; you know, those things that you can eat (unless you’re a woman, in which case you probably think you deserve Olive Garden day in and day out). Thanks for the tip, Futrelle; I’m sure that it won’t come in handy to any of the MGTOW that you want to see die horrible deaths.

Oh, Miggy. Hope you’re still making an amazing $27/hr as a software engineer!

The reaction kinda reminds me of that Werewolf riff from Mystery Science Theatre where the ill-tempered villain with ever-changing hairstyles gets called a psychopath by the bland “hero” and his response is to ask “You callin’ me a psychopath?” while taking a swing at him with a werewolf skull. “I’ll kill your whole family!” Crow adds.

It’s times like this I wonder what’ll go through their heads of a Roosh V or a Paul Elam as they reach the end of their lives, looking back on a legacy of meanness and cruelty… do they realize they have only made the world worse for having been in it and they’re destined to be remembered as sad jokes, or do they delude themselves to the end?

I have to imagine that they’ve at least had that vision of a more equitable future where their ideology has been soundly rejected… and I hope it gnaws at them.

As for the subject of teacher’s with guns… the woeful unsoundness has been commented on already, but it’s worth mentioning that teaching is a profession that conservatives have nothing but contempt for to begin with, yet constantly demand they take on more and more burdens for the upbringing of children whose parents are already being squeezed by the system. School boards that have to scrounge for books and teachers that have to pay for supplies out of pocket are now being told they have the responsibility of responding with deadly force to an armed assailant? There’s a glibness to this “Ah, just arm the teachers” line that really rings particularly hollow after assholes like Scott Walker have already tried to tear down teachers unions for their corporate overlords.

I think teachers in America would like a little respect before you start strapping Sig Sauers to their ankles.

Also, are the teachers supposed to take the guns home with them?

Apparently, “arming teachers” would mean that any teachers who already own a handgun with Concealed carry permit are allowed to carry at school for their own and their students’ protection, naturally on their own expense. The logic goes, even if it’s not all or most teachers, some are still better than none.

What could go wrong indeed…

kupo:

Lol, Dave thinks he’s being so clever by mentioning an island that is entirely populated by birds; you know, those things that you can eat (unless you’re a woman, in which case you probably think you deserve Olive Garden day in and day out).

I’d forgotten the Olive Garden thing! That’s the sort of haute cuisine available to the $27 an hour elite.

“You’d have a lot of people that would be armed, that would be ready. They’re professionals, there may be Marines that left the Marines, that left the Army, left the Air Force… You’d have a lot of them and they’d be spread evenly throughout the school… If these cowards knew that the school was well guarded from the standpoint of having pretty much professionals with great training, I think they wouldn’t go into the school to start off with. I think it could very well solve your problem.”

Trump

So, the dumpster-fire is going to… what, start funding programs to train ex-navy seals to teach Earth Science???

It’s mind-numbing, the number of people who genuinely don’t know the difference between Real Life and a Rambo movie.

… and, in a Freudian slip that really explains trump…

I think it could very well solve your problem

“your problem”

Can somebody please explain to why so many pundits are optimistic that Trump will do something, even something small to improve gun control regulations? I’ve been hearing both on CNN and MSNBC them saying this. That’ll he’ll be willing to go against the NRA a little bit because he was moved by the Parkland survivors.

Bullshit. Fucking bullshit.

Trump just spoke again about arming teachers. He used every NRA approved gun fetishist talking point in the book. His speech today was practically indistinguishable from Wayne Lapierre’s speech last night.

He’s not going to shit. Lets be real here.

Typical rich-white-dude-think. “well, y’see, what’d fix yer problem is…”

They never have to think about problems as being things that affect them. They’re all just interesting brain puzzles, and of course they’re good at those so their solutions are worth splatting out, no matter how poorly thought out or incomplete they are.

Ugh.

@Weird Eddie

So, the dumpster-fire is going to… what, start funding programs to train ex-navy seals to teach Earth Science???

That’s eerily reminiscent of Todd Chavez’s idea of training clowns to become dentists from Season 4 of BoJack Horseman.

Todd would be a better President than the one currently in the White House, and Todd came up with this:

https://78.media.tumblr.com/be7164342e89d2fcd24ae0052975aa01/tumblr_ow1sd1pv5C1vfecm0o2_540.png

Saw this elsewhere (to paraphrase):
“I have heard of a school teacher who owned a gun and had a concealed carry permit. We could ask him what he thinks about this idea.

His name is Philando Castile “

@WWTH

Can somebody please explain to why so many pundits are optimistic that Trump will do something, even something small to improve gun control regulations?

Cos otherwise they’d hafta admit that their skewed coverage in 2016 helped elect (technically, #popularvoteloser) a detached, inhumane, billious collection of void crabs to the highest office in the world… cos the other candidate was a girl…

Big surprise about the SPLC calling these sites *hate groups*. Though AVFM is full of whiny butthurt MRAs.

Well, the SPLC has Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali in “hate lists”, so I’d take anything they claim with a grain of salt.

@Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Yes you’re back! Nice to see you again buddy.

@Cartman
Casting doubt on the SPLC in the wake of mra groups finally listed as hate groups is suspicious.

(sarcasm) I’m shocked, SHOCKED, that President Orange Foolius has moved on from the topic of actual regulation to the “give teachers guns, because MORE guns is the solution to guns” thing. Because there’s no way ever that anything could go wrong there. (/sarcasm)

Also, paying teachers a bonus to carry their guns to school for “student safety” is about the worst idea ever.

Apparently that’s the problem? Anyway. Trump blamed video games for school shootings. Kotaku in action members are fighting with each other about it. It’s hilarious. But I guess people will have to look it up themselves because it won’t let me post the link.

@wwth

I’ve had posts disappear recently. All of them contained links, but to all sorts of different places (and no more than 2 links in a post, know wordpress isn’t fond of more). Seemed random to me. 🙁

@Weird Eddie

So, the dumpster-fire is going to… what, start funding programs to train ex-navy seals to teach Earth Science???

Why not? They’re not thick, you know.

Someone was trying to personalize the issue of school shooting by emphasizing that “there will be another shooting, it might even be your kid’s school”.
He was doing it to light a fire under people so they would fight for gun control legislation, but I thought how well that fits into the anti-public school narrative that the Right has been pushing for the last 30 – 40 years.
“Your kids aren’t safe in public schools. Crazies might show up & shoot them. So you should pull your kids out of public schools & put them into private schools – Christian schools or charter schools. Of course, then you will want to divert your taxes from public schools to these private schools. And we of the religious right wing will now have possession of your kids, which has been our goal all along.”
If I was a conspiracy nut, I would believe the fuckers have been planning this all along.

WWTH:

Anyway. Trump blamed video games for school shootings.

Apparently, he suggested that there should be a ratings system for games, as there is for movies. So I guess nobody told him about the ESRB?

@Makroth

It’s not my job to prove they shouldn’t be on SPLC’s list.

It’s SPLC’s job to prove that they should.

@Cartman
The splc has a statement on why they are now classified as hate groups,
they also have a list of criteria for hate groups in general so run them against that and see what you get.

@Oogly
*hugs*

@TreePerson
Dawww

@Shadowplay
That’s… actually not a bad idea, now you say so. I mean, don’t give em guns, obvs. But, like, everyone whines about unemployed vets and we have a teacher shortage as is. And a lotta military folks get degress/only join to get degrees. Why not education? If Trump/GOP were clever (debatable), they’d push thru a ‘Hero Employment and Teacher Enhancement Redeployment Opportunities Act’ (acronym intended, the base will eat that shit up). Basically a free win 😛

@Makroth
I know it’s rhetorical, but literally no reason

Okay from a different country on another continent.
I remember some jokes that were played on teachers in my schooltime. Some of the guns could very easily get in the hands of students.

Children and guns is not a good mix.

It’s not my job to prove they shouldn’t be on SPLC’s list.

It’s SPLC’s job to prove that they should.

As Tree Person said, they do explain their reasoning.

Now can you explain how I can get my breasts to retract so they’re not visible and therefore inviting stares from creeps? Or am I supposed to cover them in an invisibility cloak?

This is in reference to your comment in the thread about the boob gawking red piller. The one where you said if we showie, you lookie.

I just figured since you were demanding proof of things, I could make similar demands.

Hoo boy, Wayne LaPierre’s speech at CPAC. Irresponsible and divorced from reality. He really seems to be positioning NRA members as an armed resistance against socialism, which he thinks is on the verge of taking over the US. Listen to this, from the Guardian:

LaPierre sought to put the warnings in the wider context of a “socialist enemy” within, who he said “oppose our fundamental freedoms enshrined in the bill of rights”. He claimed that the Communist Manifesto and Karl Marx were ascendent on university campuses, describing socialism as “a political disease”.

The NRA chief warned the packed ballroom: “You should be anxious and you should be frightened. If these so-called European socialists take over the House and the Senate and, God forbid, they win the White House again our American freedoms could be lost and our country will be changed forever, and the first to go will be the second amendment to the US constitution” – the right to bear arms.

And read Daniel Dale’s tweets about the speech. The Democratic party is “infested with saboteurs”, and even the FBI is part of the socialistic corruption of America. LaPierre sounds like he’s hoping for civil war – which would certainly increase sales for the gun and ammo industry, I suppose. A few dead kids at a high school isn’t enough for him: he wants to see the streets running with blood.

@ Axe

Hero Employment and Teacher Enhancement Redeployment Opportunities

If I was more social media aware I’d post some suitable gif. Hope you’ll take a “Oh well played sir” in lieu.

@wwth

Oh snap, now their messiah has become their new Jack Thompson! The irony, it’s delicious!

The Michael Brooks Show recently did an Illicit History of Gamergate and talked to two podcasters that said that they started their podcast to try to talk to gamers “in their own language” about the issues affecting video games from a left perspective, noting that many of the “gamer” dynamics that fueled Gamergate could find parallels in the gun culture fostered by the NRA (the insularity, the gatekeeping, the manufactured identity etc.). While I certainly found this to be true, what bothered me is that they seemed to dismiss Anita Sarkeesian and those doing cultural critiques of games as not speaking the “language” of gamers enough to distinguish themselves from the Jack Thompsons and Joe Liebermans of the past (people that scapegoated video games for events like Columbine) and thus opening themselves up to the “You’re not a REAL gamer” nonsense. Because this is the same shit that the gun-humpers do: wait for somebody asking for a fairly innocuous regulation to mistake a .303 Savage with a .303 British, then jump down their throats and shout “HA! Gotcha! You’re not a REAL gun owner! I don’t have to listen to you!”

The issue isn’t using their language, it’s that they fundamentally want to protect their bubble and language just happens to be an easy excuse to disengage. A 20-year former US service member who spent his whole life around guns to the point he speaks their language fluently and just so happens to back some standard safety reforms gets death threats on his blog for it. I’ll bet some female game developers and journalists can relate.

Trump blamed video games for school shootings.

I didn’t know it was still 1999! Next we’ll have to blame Marilyn Manson.
I’m happy KIA is eating itself, since their God Emperor has betrayed them.

It’s SPLC’s job to prove that they should

Um, yes…that’s literally their job, and they are doing it.

@Axe

Snork. 😛 Well played indeed. 🙂

However – the point, you has it. There is a rather large bias against veterans going into teaching.

Been looking for teaching work once my retirement kicks in because sitting at home doesn’t appeal, and its been a bunch of hard passes despite being qualified in a subject shortage area. So I asked around. Apparently all the head teachers (principals) watch Rambo too.

@ moggie

Hoo boy, Wayne LaPierre’s speech

I’m so glad I live in a country where there’s no mental illness, video games, or elitist politicians. I dread to think what might happen otherwise.

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