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Roosh V: It’s just a matter of time before one of my fans commits a mass shooting

There have been 247 mass shootings so far this year
There have been 247 mass shootings so far this year

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On his forum today, Roosh V posted this rather chilling assessment of his fans:

With so many mass shootings in the States these days, it’s just a matter of time until one of them happens to follow me on Twitter, read ROK, or like a handful of my Youtube videos.

What!?

There have been, according to one informal survey, 247 mass shootings in the United States so far this year (that is, shootings with more tha four victims, including the shooter). That’s a lot, but there are 245 million people over the age of 18 in the US. So we’re talking about one mass shooting per year per million people.

According to TwitterAudit, Roosh has about 13,000 real Twitter followers, and about 16,000 YouTube subscribers, many of them presumably the same people. His websites draw tens of thousands of unique visitors a day (including a number of his Twitter and Youtube followers) . But only about 30% of them are from the US, at least according to Alexa. So let’s say that he’s got maybe ten thousand real fans in the US, only a portion of whom could be tied to Roosh with a comment on his site or a “like” on one of his videos.

If Roosh thinks it’s “statistically likely” that one of these people literally goes out and shoots a bunch of people, either he can’t do math or he thinks his followers are much more violent and unstable and angry than your average Joe.

I mean, I think that a significant portion of his followers are ticking time bombs, but it’s strange to see that Roosh agrees with me on this.

So what does Roosh intend to do? Will he try to rachet down the hateful rhetoric? Will he ask his regular commenters to be on the lookout for anyone who shows up in the Return of Kings comments or on the Roosh V Forum who seems like he might be another Elliot Rodger in the making?

Nope. He’s not really interested in trying to stop a shooting. He’s more worried that a shooting will make him look bad.

Existing reporters who hate me in the media will take this casual association and try to say that I must have caused the murderer to go violent, even though my work does not promote violence. They will do this to incite a mob to come down upon us, hoping I will shut down my “hate speech” sites in the same way PUAHate shut down after Elliot Rodgers [sic] went on his killing spree.

His solution? An emergency “protocol” to try to make him look better. He tells his followers that he expects them to:

1. Strongly denounce the violent act. There will be no public sympathy or empathy for a man who decides to take the road of violence. Denounce the murderer and his crime on the relevant forum thread. I will also make a public statement condemning the violence.

2. No jokes or sarcasm, especially towards the victim. Absolutely do not make jokes about the victim or try to justify their harm, even if the victim turned out to have wronged the murderer (e.g. false rape accusation, bad divorce). Anyone who does this will be immediately banned without warning. Also tone down your use of animated gifs during this time. Consider that the world will be watching us during the media accusation and we have to be direct and sincere with our communication.

That’s right: “tone down your use of animated gifs.”

3. Comment on media articles distancing our community from the killer. Leave comments that condemn the violence and distance our teachings of game and masculinity to the criminal act. You can also do this on Twitter. Call out the trolls that say “I’m a Roosh follower and I support this act” as liars and provocateurs.

And that’s it.

So not only does he expect one of his followers to be a future murderer; he also expects that some of his followers would — unless specifically forbidden — react to a killing by one of their own by offering the killer support, or posting crass, jokey animated gifs.

I think he’s probably right about this as well; it’s just odd to see him admit in public what utter shits his commenters are.

One Roosh V Forum regular who calls himself Basil Ransom wonders if there’s some “hypocrisy” in Roosh’s emergency protocol. Because, after all, a lot of the guys on the forum do actually sympathize with mass killers.

Whenever a man goes and commits violence against women in the name of being oppressed or vilified as a man, or being sexually worthless, there have been posters here who publicly sympathize with him, often along the lines of “bitches/feminists had it coming for being bitches/feminists.” …

The distinction here is merely a tactical one – show no support for violence when the media limelight is on the forum. But what about when it isn’t? If it’s the right thing to do, condemning violence, shouldn’t you do it when no one is looking? If condemning violence isn’t the right thing to do, wouldn’t it be a lie to suddenly condemn it in the face of media attention?

Roosh responds:

Unlike you, Basil, some of us here care about the long-term longevity of the forum, and understand emergency situations that require us to modify our behavior when the world is examining our every word.

No one here embraces or encourages violence during peace time, though sometimes we try to empathize with frustrated males who believe they have nothing to lose. During emergencies, you can share any empathy with such killers through private message.

In other words, in Roosh’s mind, it’s fine to feel sympathy with someone who goes out and shoots a bunch of women for some perceived wrong they’ve done to him. Just not publicly, in his forum, when the media is watching.

Apparently Roosh learned his ethics from GamerGate.

 

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Bina
6 years ago

Oh, where was it we were talking about Vox Day’s book SJWs Always Lie? Apparently it has two Chapter 5s.

Oh dear Lord. You got that far in? Your stomach must be made of titanium.

Still, how hilarious to know that these guys can’t even count past 5…

Luzbelitx
6 years ago

Yeah, Roosh, it went really well for Elam when he adviced his set of assholes to not show off their assholery in public…

I’ve seen some of you mention the Charleston murders, could you tell me what those are and why this could be a revenge? I think I’m missing some pieces on this story…

I shouldn’t really be here but what the heck. Also, I’m posting from my phone with my real WP profile now, how cool is that?

Moggie
Moggie
6 years ago

Good grief, how callous and self-absorbed do you have to be to read about mass murder, and ask yourself “how can I make this about me?”

Moggie
Moggie
6 years ago

Bina:

Oh dear Lord. You got that far in? Your stomach must be made of titanium.

Perhaps you could manage this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014JSBP7A

It has three chapter 5s, which makes it 50% better than VD’s book.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

Hi Luz! Good to see you.

The Charleston murders was a mass shooting just last month where a (white) gunman killed 9 churchgoers during a prayer meeting. He was not subtle about his racist motivations.

No offence to Americans, but it seems like you guys have shootings almost every week! I feel bad for you all, and really hope this gun control stuff gets under way swiftly.

Bina
6 years ago

Moggie, that looks hilarious. Satire? Please tell me it is…

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

@sunnysombrera:

Every week? Try every day.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/08/26/were-now-averaging-more-than-one-mass-shooting-per-day-in-2015/

Granted, this is a metric that’s broader than the one the FBI uses, but still. Lots and lots of gun violence, and yet there’s still somehow a huge opposition to gun legislation.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33646704

Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

Yey Lux! Welcome back; I’ve missed you.

Moggie
Moggie
6 years ago

Bina, yes, it’s definitely satire, and it looks like Scalzi himself will be doing an audio version:

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2015/08/27/charity-drive-for-con-or-bust-an-audio-version-of-john-scalzi-is-not-a-very-popular-author-and-i-myself-am-quite-popular-read-by-me/

As I write, it’s #2 in Amazon’s best sellers in “political philosophy”, behind VD’s turd (and ahead of Machiavelli and Plato!)

CK
CK
6 years ago

The “Peacetime” comment… what is frightening about that is during the Canada trip, he was using war rhetoric “Battle of Toronto” and had an alert on his forum “War time” rules.
Maybe he needs to clarify what he means by Peacetime and Wartime since he’s giving his followers the idea that they’re at war imminently ?

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
6 years ago

Hi Luz! Hope you’re okay with posting here – please let us know if there’s stuff we should do in order to be supportive.

Valizadeh is beginning to realise that nobody likes him and that online misogyny is increasingly visible to the mainstream media; were I a better man I would not be experiencing such delicious schadenfreude at his panic.

Nitram
6 years ago

I love how he thinks it’s only a matter of time that one of his followers goes on a shooting spree, but that’ll have nothing to do with his philosophy or actions. As of knitting clubs have the same risk and should put out similar protocol.

Yet, although his motivations are completely selfish, it would be nice to see a reduction in victim blaming and perpetrator sympathizing on these sites.

Binjabreel
6 years ago

Jesus, I’m trying sooooo damn hard to feel bad about judgybitch being doxxed. (Autocorrect almost turned that to “sodded”, lol)

After all she’s done, after all the doxxing and libel, it’s really stretching my empathy to capacity. I can condemn it, I can agree it’s a shitty thing that shouldn’t have happened. But… I really have a hard time actually feeling for her, and usually I can sympathize with everyone down to movie villains. Even my usual trick of “well what about her children?” isn’t working, because part of me keeps fantasizing about one of her sons reading the shit she writes online and being appalled.

I’m going to keep trying, though, which I guess is the difference between decent human beings and the shit heels that get written up on this site.

Nequam
Nequam
6 years ago

I wish I could feel bad for her, I really do. But I think there is such a thing as empathy fatigue.

Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

I did raise this possibility when we were talking about the Redditt CEO woman and wondered how people might react.

I can see that why people may be thinking along the ‘hoisted by own petard’ line, but I must confess I do feel sorry for her. It’s similar to how I might feel when the kids who hang around with the bullies suddenly have the bullies turn on them. But I’m a bloke so her actions and comments have never affected me. if other people take a less charitable view I certainly won’t judge them for that.

wysewomon
6 years ago

The thing is, though, if you take into account that most of the mass shootings are domestic violence against women and children, perpepetrated by estranged partners, it’s astounding that one of her s followers hasn’t done it already. Or maybe one has, and we just haven’t heard about it because those aren’t as “newsworthy” as the random ones.

bvh
bvh
6 years ago

If Roosh thinks this will save his ass, he’d better look at the career of Metzger:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Metzger_%28white_supremacist%29#Oregon_civil_trial

“Tom and John Metzger were found civilly liable under the doctrine of vicarious liability, in which one can be liable for a tort committed by a subordinate or by another person who is taking instructions. ”

I suppose Roosh thinks his strategy of pre denouncement will protect him, but his entire history is one of incitement and provocation. Any denials of awareness or responsibility will not be credible.

chronically lurking
chronically lurking
6 years ago

@Bina Truly, an editor who deserves a Hugo for their great skill.

katz
katz
6 years ago

Wow, my brain has a really hard time processing the phrase “Oregon trial.”

Binjabreel
6 years ago

Eh, when the MRM finally turns on her for not toeing the line hard enough for a split second like they have with so many other lady MRA’s, then I’ll probably be able to really feel bad.

But this, even though it’s easy to condemn cause doxxing is shitty and should be considered like the nuclear option of online discourse, it’s hard for me to *really* get indignant about it. Like the most I can muster is a “wow, that’s kinda shitty.”

Falconer
Falconer
6 years ago

Wow, my brain has a really hard time processing the phrase “Oregon trial.”

Better choose the lawyer.

Falconer
Falconer
6 years ago

@Bina:

Oh dear Lord. You got that far in? Your stomach must be made of titanium.

Nah, I didn’t. I am reliably informed, however.

And it’s my legs that are titanium, not my stomach.

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

@Brooked and @YoullNeverGuess:

Ah, so JB just copied most of the article verbatim, switched the genders and was being highly dishonest about the whole thing. Gotcha.

Still, that seems like a healthy polyamory relationship. Both people sat down and discussed the thing like adults, and came to make a decision they thought was best for their relationship. Though, if either party still seems unhappy about the whole thing, they should probably talk some more about it. Communication is important.

Cleea
Cleea
6 years ago

It’s almost comical how often MRAs reference this mythical epidemic of “false rape accusations.” Where are these false accusations happening? Nowhere other than the minds of indignant, disillusioned MRAs. And it’s no surprise that Doosh would specify that a false rape accusation justifies murder/homicide. The best part about this whole thing is that Doosh has admitted, in no uncertain terms, that his followers are angry, violent, aggressive, raw nerves who are all constantly on the verge of a very public and very violent melt-down, and he has to specifically request that they curb their aggression so as not to make him look bad. Just… wow.

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

Moggie | August 28, 2015 at 10:02 am
Bina, yes, it’s definitely satire, and it looks like Scalzi himself will be doing an audio version:

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2015/08/27/charity-drive-for-con-or-bust-an-audio-version-of-john-scalzi-is-not-a-very-popular-author-and-i-myself-am-quite-popular-read-by-me/

As I write, it’s #2 in Amazon’s best sellers in “political philosophy”, behind VD’s turd (and ahead of Machiavelli and Plato!)

Apparently, the audio’s coming out on Monday because they’ve raised over 6k already, and all the funds he raised for it are going to a charity to help fans of color attend sci-fi and fantasy conventions! Yay!

What makes poking fun at bigots better? Donating to causes that you know will piss them off while poking fun at them!

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