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“Misogyny is secondary misandry” and other perplexing insights from non-feminism’s philosopher king

Fidelbogen, philosophizing
Fidelbogen, probably saying something that doesn’t make any sense

It’s been a while since I took a look at the Twitter feed of noted non-feminist philosopher king Fidelbogen. And, well, it’s still there. And as perplexingly Fidelbogenish as ever.

Let me know if any of these Tweets make any sense to you.

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Alpha von Carousel
Alpha von Carousel
7 years ago

The one about “spherical reasoning” is very timecube.

PussyPowerTantrum
PussyPowerTantrum
7 years ago

…This is Poe’s Law in action, right?

anemonerosie
7 years ago

I’ll be in my gynobot if anyone needs me.

Orion
7 years ago

Yeah, except I understand Timecube.

sevenofmine
sevenofmine
7 years ago

A feminist-based definition of #feminism cannot be an item of non-feminist discourse.

This one makes sense to me in an unintentionally honest kind of way. As an anti-feminist, if you accept a feminist definition of feminism, you might as well not even bother. Anti-feminism is predicated on believing all kinds of untrue shit about what feminism is.

M.
M.
7 years ago

I’d make a marijuana joke, but I’m pretty sure I could smoke all the pot in the world and still not come up with something as bizarre as that “Spherical reasoning” one.

Adam Sowa
Adam Sowa
7 years ago

Not sure if this guy needs less drugs or more drugs.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

I’ll be in my gynobot if anyone needs me.

Is that a mech or a gundam?

M.,
I volunteer as a test subject! Let’s do some science!

flagalicious
flagalicious
7 years ago

The disintegration of Fidelbogen’s thought-processes reminds me of those scenes in the movies where the robot’s head gets knocked off and its circuits are sparking and it starts spouting disjointed nonsense, He stands bravely alone, flapping his mouth, signifying nothing.

Alan Robertshaw
7 years ago

Well, reasonable chap that I am, I’m happy to concede when even someone I disagree with has a valid point. So I’ll defend this one:

“Anti-antifeminism serves feminism, and feminism encourages it.”

The first part just seems to be a manifestation of Lewis’s Law.

This very site demonstrates the efficacy of the second part.

I am a bit of a free speech advocate for may reasons; including allowing that to hate groups (subject to “time, manner and place” considerations). One reason for that is that such groups condemn themselves from their own mouths. Whenever MRA’s and related groups claim that they are “misunderstood” one only has to direct people to their own writings.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

I checked. I cannot afford all the marijuana. Gonna need a kickstarter.

This and the bear cannon need to happen.

Alan Robertshaw
7 years ago

Oh, I’ve just spotted that additional “anti” in there. Take back what I just said. That tweet is equally as incomprehensible as the rest of them.

Although, applying logic, the two “anti”s cancel each other out leaving in effect “feminism serves feminism and feminism encourages it”.

Er, well quite.

Lids
7 years ago

He sounds like a spambot. Like if someone made an anti-feminist algorithm spam bot. It’s got all the buzz words and just that hint of “a program is making these tweets, not a person.”

GhostBird
GhostBird
7 years ago

What in the hell does mildew have to do with any of this?

mildlymagnificent
7 years ago

Oh my paws and whiskers!

Dare I ask about this mysterious Venn diagram that “makes feminism both misandric AND misogynistic”?

proxieme
proxieme
7 years ago

What in the hell does mildew have to do with any of this?

Cause, like, the dew goes through the mill of feminist thought and becomes corrupted (mildew).

Also: Dude, when I clap my hands touch themselves.
And fingers, man. FINGERS!
They’re like wiggly and, like, at the end of stumps and…*looks*holds up hand* 5…5…is that too many?
Five.
FIII-VE.
That doesn’t seem like a real word
Ffffive.
fife.

Fyyve.

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

I actually like the mildew one. That’s quite the non-sequitur, there.

Not quite sure what it means or what he’s trying to get at or what possible relevance it has to anything. But, yeah. Dew from the mill is mildew.

proxieme
proxieme
7 years ago
Jay Elmore
7 years ago

I see he takes his name from the German word, Fidelbogen (n): A stupid person’s idea of what a smart person sounds like.

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
7 years ago

These… don’t make a lick of sense. Sorry, David, I don’t think I can help you here. Let’s see if I can manage to laugh at some of them, at least.

Feminist hostility to everything that is not feminist, must be provoked into showing itself.

So… he admits that trolling feminist blogs and sites in the hopes of getting a rise out of feminism is the height of his activism? Thank God feminists don’t have to resort to such tactics. Not only because trolling is an utter waste of time and proof that one has nothing better to do, but also because antifeminists don’t need to be provoked into saying terrible shit. They do that on their own.

How is misogyny “secondary misandry?” Did the patriarchal social system begin by men hating themselves so much that they started taking it out on women? That doesn’t really make sense.

Has there ever been another word as arrogant and self-absorbed as “anti-antifeminism”? Like, people who criticize antifeminism do it because they have a chip on their shoulder, not because antifeminists are a bunch of misogynists and/or dumbasses who say and do awful things? So, amid all the misogyny, bigotry and all the death and rape threats sent to feminists, they once again actually think this is all about them and people being mean to them for no reason whatsoever?

Although the term “gynocentric” is as dumb and pointless as a bucket with a hole, he’s right about misogynists often being pretty obsessed with women. MGTOW are a good example of this.

These tweets once again prove that when reactionaries try to sound professional and scientific, they just start producing a lot of gibberish that has no rhyme or reason behind it. They really think communication is primarily about bluffing, not about giving information about what’s actually happening in the world.

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

I think the first one is trying to say that feminists will never get a man and die alone surrounded by cats.

I think the anti anti feminism one is trying to say that we’re big meanie pants to anti feminists for personal gain.

The others, I don’t know.

Poor guy. He’s just trying so hard to be deep and he just sounds like a twelve year old who looked up philosophy on Wikipedia and thought he’d try to do his own.

Alan Robertshaw
7 years ago

Right, I think I’ve worked it out!

“anti-feminism” would be things like MRA’s etc.

Now an argument can be made that being against them does benefit feminism (although I subscribe to he view that it may be better to give them enough rope to hang themselves).

So on that basis, being “anti” the “anti feminists” would benefit feminism.

Therefore feminism would encourage something that is to its own benefit.

Simples (as those ratty things say)

Jack
Jack
7 years ago

“Circular reasoning can be defeated by linear reasoning. Spherical reasoning cannot be.”

Uhhh…. What the fuck is “Spherical reasoning”?

It sounds like he just pulled that out of his arse and used it in a tweet because he thought it sounded clever.

PussyPowerTantrum
PussyPowerTantrum
7 years ago

I see he takes his name from the German word, Fidelbogen (n): A stupid person’s idea of what a smart person sounds like.

This describes a depressingly large portion of Manosphere-generated content. Also, that name raises the possibility that the account is a clever parody after all, kind of like @birdsrightsactivist?

ceebarks
ceebarks
7 years ago

The anti-anti feminism one was really the only one my brain even attempted to parse. Like, opposition to anti feminism does tend to lead one to take the claim of feminism more seriously, but like, duh?

I’m sure there are ways to oppose the various strains of anti-feminism out there that are, themselves, thoroughly non-feminist, but I’m a little hard pressed to think of any I’d take too seriously right now. The traditionalist-womens thing is one way… but even they veer between taking women’s actual experiences in the “traditional” order seriously, perhaps asking if various elements of “tradition” are really so great, perhaps even noting that “tradition” as defined by dudes is often more self-serving on their part than sacred… that that it has changed and will probably change again…

and jerking themselves back into line when they realize they’re skirting uncomfortably close to actual feminist territory. lol

Yep, those are some pretty dangerous questions to be asking yourself, missy! There’s a reason the “tradition” tends to involve women not thinking or talking too much, lol

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