Over on Vox Popoli, everyone’s favorite far-right fantasy author Vox Day (Theodore Beale) is pig-biting mad that pizza parlors in Indiana won’t be allowed to refuse service to gay people. And so he’s doing his best to rally the troops for a real-world Culture War Deathmatch, urging Christians — or at least the right kind of Christians — to “stop their cowardly cowering before the world” and start acting like “the apostles and martyrs and crusaders and inquisitors who preceded them.”
Oh, and like the dudes who’ve been having a giant public temper tantrum about video games and evil SJWs with dyed hair for the past 7 months:
It’s time for the church leaders and the heads of Christian families to start learning from #GamerGate, to start learning from Sad Puppies, and start leading.
Sad Puppies, by the way, is a #GamerGatish coalition of anti-SJW warriors in the science fiction community who are fighting to save the world by stuffing the Hugo Awards ballot box.
Start banding together and stop accommodating the secular world in any way. Don’t hire those who hate you. Don’t buy from those who wish to destroy you. Don’t work with those who denigrate your faith, your traditions, your morals, and your God. Don’t tolerate or respect what passes for their morals and values.
Including tolerance itself.
Religious liberty in America is dead. Well and good. That was a fatal mistake by the other side, because now that they don’t respect our religious liberty, we have no reason or responsibility to respect theirs. Now it’s just a raw power struggle and we have the numbers, we have the indomitable will of the martyrs, and we have the certain knowledge of God on our side.
Embrace your fanaticism! God hates Depression Quest and John Scalzi — He told me so — and so should you!
I mean, you’re not in league with — could it be? —SATAN?
They have nothing but the carnal desires to which they are enslaved and the Prince of this fallen world, who has already been defeated by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
Apparently this defeated Prince still needs some more defeating.
We are not given a spirit of fear. We are the sons and daughters of the Crusades and of the Inquisitions, institutions so terrible that they strike terror in human hearts nearly one thousand years later.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise…surprise and fear…fear and surprise…. Our two weapons are fear and surprise…and computer games about orcs and trolls that have no ladies in them. Our three weapons …
We are the heirs of Christendom. They cannot defeat us and they cannot defeat our Lord. Augustus and the pagan emperors of Rome failed. The Ottoman emperors failed. The French Revolutionaries failed. The Communist killers of Spain, the Soviet Union, and China failed. The post-Christian seculars of the latter-day USA will fail too.
Yeah, keep us posted on how that goes, Ted.
Naturally, Mr. Beale’s thoughtful followers have some thoughtful thoughts on it all. Mr.MantraMan suggests shunning the “politicals.”
The SJWs are womanish, this is a tantrum by infantilized white so called adults, we cant send the little bitches to their rooms but we can shun them with barely disguised malice.
As for demographics, the colored folk if you will tolerate them they do not love the SJW, at all.
W.LindsayWheeler suggests that what we really need is a, well, return of kings.
The elite WASPs have bought into Masonry and Cultural Marxism, our media is owned by Jews who ensure Liberals as journalists and editors. You’ve lost control of the direction of the society.
We have to return to Throne And Altar that is the ONLY antidote to Liberalism, not more ideologies.
Vic, meanwhile, is fighting the evil secular Devil-worshippers by … uploading Miley Cyrus songs to torrent sites. No, really.
I have already started soft warfare myself, sharing all miley cyrus, elton john, and any other of these blowhards trashy songs I happen to have, uploading on torrent sites …. Two can play these hit `em in the pocketbook games … .
Al Cibiades thinks we should restrict the vote to married couples. And by married couples he means married men:
I propose a familial suffrage amendment while we have the numbers. One woman and one man = one vote. If single people are interested in “change” let them have a stake in how it directly affects the future. More or less I believe it would return some of the balance before women’s suffrage unleashed these ills upon us.
Tom believes that the children are our future.
Ya’ll need to have more Christian children. My homeschooled Christian horde of 7 need spouses who also believe in homeschooling and large families so they can each have their own horde of little homeschooled Christians. If each of them manage just 5 kids each, that’s 35 Christian grandkids. …
By the way, my eldest, a 12 year old, is the only one who even knows that homosexuals exist. That is really only because it came up in a couple sermons at church and she asked questions.
At this point I stopped reading the comments.
And then Victoria. Then Elizabeth II. And now England’s queens are way more well-known and generally more respected than its kings ever were. =P
Oops, that was continuing on from Sunny’s post. Slow typing.
Learning that loathsome excrescences like VD hate Masonry was one of the things that inspired me to join.
Actually, just about everyone who’s anti-Masonic is also anti-me, so it was a good fit.
And I know I’ve said it before, but Dark Enlightenment always makes me think of pseudointellectual Juggalos.
I got an alternate explanation for this when I was involved in an evangelical group back in the 90’s. Women actually don’t want to be submissive, it’s a part of our nature that we must fight in order to please God (kind of a 180 from the “being a good leader is against womanly nature” mentality that sunnysombrera mentioned – modern!). Men don’t want to be dominant, but they have to force themselves into command roles to fulfill God’s plans. It’s all there in Genesis, y’see; Eve ate the fruit instead of following orders, and Adam passively accepted it instead of being a leader, and it all led to the Fall. So no matter what your gender is, it’s totally natural to be dissatisfied with your lot in a godly life. Even laudable, since you’re setting aside your own desires and talents to live according to scripture. But don’t worry, you’ll be content one of these days.
I’m not in touch with anyone else from that group (I only lasted about six months), so I don’t know how long anybody actually stuck to that philosophy or how it’s working out for anyone who did.
Of which, statistically, 1-3 are likely to be gay.
The Quiverfull movement is so selfish and ecologically irresponsible. Most of those families pay no federal income tax (thanks to being able to claim tax credits for 12 kids), many are on welfare, taking resources and contributing to overpopulation and pollution, but not giving anything back. Our planet is already overcrowded, and they want us drowning in their kids.
There’s a racial component to it, too, that’s very distasteful.
“happen to have”….LOL! What a hypocrite. If he really thinks those songs are trashy and tools of Satan, what are they even doing on his hard drive?
To me, the scariest thing about far-right Dominionists is their utter disdain for secular law. They believe any action is justified, from mp3 piracy to inquisition and murder, as long as it serves their conception of God.
I admit–apologies to Lea–that part of me really wants to crack down on the homeschooling movement. For all the people who use it for perfectly good reasons, we have an epidemic of (often conservative religious) parents using it as a front for, more or less, child abuse. When their advocates openly claim to want the “honour system” with regards to whether they’re actually teaching their children or not abusing them, what I hear is that they want absolute freedom to abuse their offspring and for said offspring to not have any enforceable rights. Not all of them are even receiving the kind of education that would allow their upbringing to backfire, particularly among the more extreme sorts who want their daughters to die giving birth to their twentieth child and not study law at Liberty University and who read books that actually contain instructions on how to abuse your children in ways that child protection services (ineffectual as they are) can’t detect. (Debi Pearl’s books come to mind, and children have already died from their parents attempting to use those CPS-proof abuse techniques.)
Really, cracking down on that kind of isolationist bullshit is important. Lea, I accept that in your experience many of those children are relatively fortunate and that their parents’ attempts at indoctrination backfired, but I’m terrified for all the children who are not so fortunate. The extreme fundamentalist homeschooling movement must be stopped for their sake, even if that means making homeschooling harder for people who actually use it for the good of their children. I’m aware we probably won’t agree on this, but I do prioritise protecting children from extremist parents over protecting them from the shortcomings of the public school system.
Also, the Amish. As I hear it in some places they’re actually allowed to keep their children out of high school. That needs to be stopped for the exact same reasons.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought Quiverfull taught that it was “unbiblical” to accept welfare so they just keep popping out babies and expect Dad to find the money to keep them all through the power of “faith”. So apparently many families live in poverty?
Add to that the uncommon but still tragic instance of Mama giving up the ghost and dying, because after years of pregnancy, breastfeeding, working around the clock to take care of kids and repeating the cycle over and over again her body just can’t take it any more. Then you have a half dozen motherless children while their local church harumphs and says “well she obviously just didn’t have enough faith.”
Note: nothing wrong with using faith in a sticky situation, but deliberately and knowingly putting yourself in trouble and expecting God to bail you out is called “testing God”, which you just don’t do. Same with if doctors tell the mothers that the really really can’t afford to get pregnant again or they could be facing death/permanent health issues, but they press ahead anyway with “the Lord will help us!”
I’m with Lea– my parents got pretty into the fundy homeschooling thing for awhile and we turned out not actually to be brainwashed. Every generation of parents seems to think they can mold perfect little soldiers for whatever their own ideological battle is and I’ve never seen it work quite the way it was supposed to, just ’cause… that’s not how humans work.
If anything, the whole thing really put a bad taste for religion in my mouth. If they’d raised us a little more “normally” where you weren’t constantly in some absurd fevered battle to choose The Truth over the (greatly exaggerated) Eeeevil Secular World, I can imagine how I’d have at least a warm nostalgic fuzzy for the religion of my youth now, in the place where my hair-trigger gag reflex lives.
But YMMV. lol
one thing I will note is that it’s often the women who are the driving force behind the submissive-wife/zillions of kids/SAHM thing. A friend of mine has 12 kids, has homeschooled them all and even spent some time giving classes to neighborhood women on how to be a Fascinating Woman. I went to a few of them ’cause she’s really very nice… and I was bored and chronically broke, lol. But it turns out she’d ALWAYS wanted a huge family, so she very sensibly found a guy who was amenable (if perhaps a little shell-shocked) and I think they just gradually adopted a belief system that would support and reinforce that in practice. I’d think she was just an odd outlier, but that’s a pattern I’ve seen quite a few times now, online and off. Can’t speak for any other patriarchal-type subcultures but, yeah, that facet of it always interests me.
Speaking of fundies, I had to use all the mental fortitude I had to not blow up at my uncle today. He said evolution was a lie and thinks gang rape is common in India because they don’t have Jesus. Sigh.
depends on who you talk to, really. I don’t think “quiverfull” is so much an organized movement with official dogma as a… fairly loose network with a handful of tighter nodes.
@weirwoodtreehugger Ugh, I’m so sorry you had to put up with that. Having that kind of thinking in your own family is heartbreaking. Luckily, the few in mine live far, far away and we can usually skirt around the crazy when we see them. But I know others aren’t as fortunate. Hugs and good luck.
Watch out for the gay Jewish Freemasons! They’re out to take your jobs and GET YOU!
Well, that’s fucked up on a number of levels. First off, there ARE Christians in India, along with Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, and even atheists here and there. It’s a multi-cultural country. Secondly, Christians are just as capable of gang rape as anyone else. I’m pretty sure that a lot of “corrective” gang-rapes in Africa and elsewhere are perpetrated by devout Christians. Jesus doesn’t cockblock, and anyone who thinks he can is an idiot.
As for evolution being a “lie”…yeah, sure. Fossil records dating back hundreds of millions of years all just laid themselves down to pull our collective leg. Yuh-huh.
Sorry your uncle is such an ass. Hugs if you want ’em.
I’m sorry, but is this guy some kind of creationist? He does sound like an evangelical fundamentalist.
@Shaenon – yes, that’s him. That answer is very in keeping with his approach to life, though, so I wasn’t too surprised to see something that calm and meticulously laid out.
My uncle is an alcoholic. He’s sober now, but rather than recovering, he’s sort of replaced one addiction with another, religious extremism. It’s sad. He’s ruined his relationship with all six of his kids who are all fortunately, decent people and doing well. He’s not going to change so I just sort of put up with him.
And yeah, it’s ridiculous that he doesn’t think there are Indian Christians.
So much wrong with these statements, but one thing I can’t get over is the comment about “communist killers” of China failing. Um excuse me? How has communism failed in China when they remain a one-party country run by the Communist Party of China? Even if you consider the opening of the economy in the late 70s a failure of communism, China remains decidedly non-Christian. And what about all the other secular or non-christian countries out there? Or is he saying that those countries tried to kill Jesus?? (How would that even work outside of the Romans?) This is all so stupid.
Remind your uncle that Mother Theresa existed and worked in Calcutta.
Is Vox Day for real? For someone who writes sci-fi, his head is firmly planted in the Victorian fantasy of the past.
With a population higher than Europe, and just as much cultural diversity. By all m should have been more confusing than the Balkans (and in the case of the Indian-Bangladeshi border, actually is).
lol, the entire last sentence was supposed to be excised from the post
That is henceforth how I shall think of them.
THAT term has been twisted by evangelist culture to uselessness though. Quite often “testing God” is twisted to mean “questioning God”. So, it is bad to TEST (question) whether God will help you, because he obviously WILL, so you’d better count on God because anything else would be doubt. Also, if God didn’t help, it was obviously because you tested (questioned) him with something, so he decided to throw you under the bus, which means the solution is less testing (questioning), until you’re at the point where you do literally anything you’re told by God (read: your church culture/pastor/etc) without the slightest bit of scrutiny for fear you’ll be punished.
It brings it around to having the exact opposite meaning, despite being “literal” interpretation, with the bonus addition of negating all opposition to this interpretation because to do so would again be a test of God, which is bad. This is basically the only way that some churches can advocate for a specific, narrowly defined lifestyle, because anything self-destructive that results from this lifestyle is interpreted not the fault of the lifestyle itself, but as a lack of faith on the part of the participant.
(Of course, then you have people in that lifestyle wondering why people outside of the lifestyle DON’T seem to have the crushing problems even though they openly “defy God”, which is why those churches grow ever more insular and try to avoid “corruption” from the outside, because people being happy out there must obviously be a lie . . . I could go on for days, and have)
@Nequam thanks for the Huxley quotes!
Could someone please explain to me the obsession ppl like Pox have with Masons? My granddad in England was a Mason, and my mum went to a Masonic boarding school. Far as I know, no vast conspiracies were planned in either case. Course, that’s probably what they WANT me to think! *dun dun duuuuuunnn*
Friday Jones – oddly enough, one of my lodge brothers actually was a gay, Jewish Mason. Even more oddly, given the OP, he was one of the most conservative people I’ve met in recent years. That’s by San Francisco Bay Area standards; in many parts of the USA, he’d probably be considered a progressive Democrat.
Tracy, as I understand it, Masonry in the U.K. has long been a part of the Establishment in a way it hasn’t been here for quite some time. People like Vox see it as a tool of secretive conspirators, out to destroy Christianity and real ‘Murkin values and replace them with religious indifferentism and New World Order tyranny. Right wing Evangelicals, by contrast, see it as anti-Christian tool of Satan, out to destroy true religion and replace it with Mystery Babylon.
I’m going to dust off the ol’ history degree from the shelf to exercise some little used authority. This guy’s a moron.