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Woah, what’s this? Is A Voice for Men engaging in honest self-criticism?

This could come in handy.
This could come in handy.

I was skimming through the A Voice for Men forum the other day and was stunned to find, hidden away amongst the other posts in the “rants” section, an absolutely blistering critique of AVFM itself:

Master bullshit artists, adept at stirring up drama and scapegoating, shifting all blame and accountability onto convenient disliked targets. … Used to getting what they want, having little to no accountability … and covertly aggressively lashing out at those who dare not worship them, being the one to start it, and repeatedly. Using an arsenal of social weapons at their disposal at anyone who gets in their way: accusations of [misandry], ad hominem attacks, constant contempt … public humiliation, playing on prejudices and hatred to turn people against their targets … going on the assault at others’ self-image, reputation and credibility over the pettiest of motives, the most outrageously falsely perceived slights, with calculated Machiavellian cunning towards their pettiest of aims.

Nailed it, huh?

Ok. SPOILER ALERT. I kind of lied. This comment wasn’t aimed at AVFM. It was aimed at “bitches.”

Here’s the opening wall-of-text paragraph that I left out:

I think manipulative, catty, conniving, calculating females are pure evil. Applying indirect, covert aggression as a power play, manipulating men to get in their good graces and climb up the pecking order, before aggressively attacking those who don’t “fit in” for their own sadistic pleasure, to aggrandise their own ego and to raise their own status. Playing the victim to stir white knights to go on the attack at their target, when they are the aggressor. Having utter contempt and disdain for anyone they sleep with. Expecting males to be Teflon and always shifting the blame when anyone else gets hurt – it’s always the other person’s fault for being hurtable, for not being Teflon – they always have zero accountability for any harm caused, deny any role in it, and tell themselves it’s not them to feel good and look good. Deluding people, by putting on a cute demeanour, that “she wouldn’t do that”. Using charm to beguile, while calculatingly lashing out at anyone who dares to reveal their true colours or who even sees through their mask at what they really are. Totally void of empathy or sympathy, while putting it on purely fakely to gain an advantage.

And here’s the bit I quoted at the start, though this time I’ve put all the bits I carefully reworded or ellipsed away the first time through back in again; they’re in bold.

Master bullshit artists, adept at stirring up drama and scapegoating, shifting all blame and accountability onto convenient disliked targets. Seeing their own cuntish wiles as meritous. Used to getting what they want, having little to no accountability, being placed on a pedestal and feeling they belong there, sneering down their noses in contempt at those who respect them (the latter being pawns in their power play), and covertly aggressively lashing out at those who dare not worship them, being the one to start it, and repeatedly. Using an arsenal of social weapons at their disposal at anyone who gets in their way: accusations of misogyny, ad hominem attacks, constant contempt and a complete disregard for other people’s boundaries, malicious back-talk, public humiliation, playing on prejudices and hatred to turn people against their targets, an opportunistic use of political correctness, going on the assault at others’ self-image, reputation and credibility over the pettiest of motives, the most outrageously falsely perceived slights, with calculated Machiavellian cunning towards their pettiest of aims.

Yeah, it sounds a lot more AVFMish that way.

Even after four years of reading this bullshit, I’m a bit amazed at just how much of MRA, er, philosophy seems to be little more than projection.

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katz
7 years ago

I’d much rather take a comfy chair, or tree, or a good patch of grass.

Further proof that we are secretly cats.

A Wolverine
A Wolverine
7 years ago

Massively Repugnant Assholes

contrapangloss
7 years ago

Mrow?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

Malignant Rapist Abusers?

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
7 years ago

Good one, David, but the headline to just to unrealistic to trick anyone.

The free speech warriors of AVFM have about as much tolerance of self-criticism and dissent as Stalin had for people who made fun of his mustache.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
7 years ago

“is just too”

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

Massively Rapey Assholes

Isabelle
Isabelle
7 years ago

I visualize them foaming at the mouth, so: Misogynistic Rabid Asshat

cloudiah
7 years ago

Further proof that we are secretly cats.

In which case I’d like to add boxes and fresh piles of laundry to the pedestal alternatives.

GrumpyOldMan
7 years ago

It’s just the larger and better educated boy-child’s version of “Girls have cooties.”

fromafar2013
7 years ago

You had me for a second, David. Then again, I am drunk…

I am having my oil changed later this month… maybe I should ask for a 12 point inspection of my Cuntish Wiles while I’m there. They seem a bit out of alignment, and it won’t be much trouble since I”ll already be there.

My inspection is due in September, so it would be good to know if there are any issues now before I reapply for my Feminist Gynocracy Licence and Insurance.

Shiraz
Shiraz
7 years ago

I remember going to see Cuntish Wiles back in the 90s, there was a mosh pit and everything. I saved my ticket stubs, I think.

Did the mister who wrote the wall-of-text in the OP just accused of creeping? It sounds like it.

BritterSweet
7 years ago

I fell for the title too, but that’s because there really have been some instances where someone in the community has stood up and said, “Hey guys, this is not cool.” Even if the person wasn’t fond of women, he would acknowledge that something was going too far or at the very least was bad for the MRM’s reputation. Sadly, he would always get overwhelmingly downvoted and/or shouted down.

kittehserf
7 years ago

If they think pedestals are so awesome, why don’t they sit on them, instead of standing on their soapboxes?

(Answer: because pedestals stink)

No, it’s because HARD PEDESTALS are misandry!

I thought MRA meant Male Rape Apologist too. Well, it does, of course, that’s just not what the apologists (or advocates, rather) want people to think.

katz
7 years ago

I remember going to see Cuntish Wiles back in the 90s, there was a mosh pit and everything. I saved my ticket stubs, I think.

Didn’t they open for Bikini Kill that one time?

Lady Mondegreen
Lady Mondegreen
7 years ago

Now I’m picturing a mid-twentieth century novel: Her Cuntish Wiles. It’s about a femme fatale and the Nice Guy who marries her, a la Leave Her to Heaven.

banshee
banshee
7 years ago

I don’t get it. If women have to get in the good graces of men to climb the social ladder, then it’s men who have the power, isn’t it? Right?
Ugh.

Lady Mondegreen
Lady Mondegreen
7 years ago

My own cuntish wiles need work. It’s been simply forever since I spermjacked anyone.

katz
7 years ago

Now I’m picturing a mid-twentieth century novel: Her Cuntish Wiles. It’s about a femme fatale and the Nice Guy who marries her, a la Leave Her to Heaven.

Ask and ye shall receive.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
7 years ago

Contrapangloss

“Mrow?”

Men Are Oppressed by Women

Banshee

“I don’t get it. If women have to get in the good graces of men to climb the social ladder, then it’s men who have the power, isn’t it? Right?
Ugh.”

No! You see women are using their butts to hypnotize men!
Butt Power!

http://www.roflcat.com/fear-the-cat-butt

Look at all these pedestals to choose from!

http://www.wayfair.com/beautiful-pedestal-plant-stand-th.html

fromafar2013
7 years ago

@ fruitloopsie

Ooooh… I like the Greek Column themed pedestals the best.

Appropriate for a Greek Goddess, like Artemis, who will turn misogynist peeping toms to deer and order her hunting hounds to tear them apart. MISANDRY.

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

@taino

If a person said all that on the street, its best to walk away and go do whatever important thing you were about to do. Why is any attention given to this nonsense? They are like a private club and they are writing these epitaphs to each other.

I think you are missing the point of the blog…

@lea

Later I’m going to tell the kids I made dessert and when they get all excited, I’m going to give them steamed broccoli.
Then I’m going to put Skittles in with their M&Ms and stop using fabric softeners on their sheets.

Putting skittles in with their mnms? that truley would be evil!

@fruitloopsie

Mra acronyms:

Misognists raging a-holes

Misognists racist a-holes

Mommy ran away

I’m really not down here for the making fun of people for having mommy/daddy issues :/ It doesn’t excuse someoen from being a misgoynist, I just figure there are plenty of other things to mention than ‘your parents sucked’.

@katz

Now I’m picturing a mid-twentieth century novel: Her Cuntish Wiles. It’s about a femme fatale and the Nice Guy who marries her, a la Leave Her to Heaven.

Ask and ye shall receive.

omi god, that’s glorious XD Is it a real book, or did you photoshop it?

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
7 years ago

Fromafar2013

Don’t forget Athena and Enyo the Goddesses of war!

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
7 years ago

Marie

Sorry, I was listing acronyms that I saw other people typed. I didn’t realize I didn’t type that.

katz
7 years ago

Alas, it is indeed photoshopped. But the only thing I changed was the title.

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