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Elliot Rodger and Me: The anatomy of a "Honey Badger" smear campaign


I have a new theory that I think might help to explain why so many Men’s Rights Activists are so obsessed with false accusations of rape. It’s simple: They are so used to making false accusations themselves, about pretty much everything, that it’s hard for them to conceive of someone making an accusation that is actually true.

Naturally, as a critic of the Men’s Rights movement I’m a fairly reliable target for these false charges, and rarely does a day go by in which I don’t learn some new, terrible, and wholly imaginary thing I’m alleged to have said or done. Hell, these days I can barely make it through a Twitter conversation with A Voice for Men’s Dean Esmay without him spouting some grotesque falsehood about me.

The latest accusation from the A Voice for Men crowd – or at least from AVFM’s so-called Honey Badger Brigade – is that all the media talk about Elliot Rodger being an MRA was my fault. Or, as “Honey Badger” Alison Tieman put it in a tweet that she sent to an assortment of media outlets that had written about Rodger and the MRAs,

Tieman’s tweet links to a post on the Honey Badger Brigade blog titled “Feminist media bias, or how Man Boobz caused a media circus,” complete with a little caricature of me. (At least they didn’t depict me as a shirtless, self-flagellating Michael Moore lookalike, this time, or as a giant man-baby with poopy diapers eating a chicken leg.)

The big revelation of the Honey Badger Brigade post? That the first article that connected Eliot Rodger to the Men’s Rights movement included … a link to my blog:

I compiled a list of online articles in a rudimentary timeline, searching for the earliest pieces linking Elliot Rodger to MRAs, and the findings were pretty extraordinary. Likely the first article making this connection was on the Daily Kos, citing a blog. Which blog, you ask? None other than David (Man Boobz) Futrelle’s cutting-edge journalism at

It gets worse. Of the 16 articles I looked at, eight of them sourced the Daily Kos article either directly or indirectly by citing an article that had cited that same Daily Kos article.

The clear implication of the post is that I was the “source” of the notion that Rodger was an MRA.

There’s just one little problem with that argument, which is that I never said any such thing.

Indeed, when the writer at the Daily Kos published their piece, I had said precisely nothing on the subject of Rodger at all. In fact, my first post on Rodger was published after the Daily Kos piece appeared. That  Daily Kos piece, which was based on original reporting by its author, linked only to my writings about incels, and the link to We Hunted the Mammoth was only one in a multitude of links.

Here’s what I said about Rodger in my first post on the subject:

[Rodger’s video] sounds almost like a parody of the misogynistic beliefs and rhetoric that I write about on this blog. His language and his melodramatic tone both echo the writings of many of those young men who consider themselves “incels.” His anger is the same anger we see from the rejected men who lash out with insults and threats on OkCupid when their often crude advances are turned down. He reminds me of every so-called “nice guy” who is inwardly seething with resentment born of sexual entitlement denied. He even, at one point, calls himself a “gentleman.” He also calls himself an “alpha.”

It is clear that his  resentment at women was stoked by what I call the “new misogyny” and by steeping himself in at least one online community that reaffirmed his exaggerated, unwarranted sense of victimhood. So far we have evidence that he was a commenter at PUAhate, a site ostensibly designed to critique PUAs but which has degenerated into a haven for misogynistic “incels” and angry trolls.

I made no mention of the Men’s Rights movement at all.

In a later post, written after a great deal more information about Rodger had appeared online, I was more explicit in stating that he was not, to the best of anyone’s knowledge, an MRA.

So why did so many in the media describe him as an MRA? Well, it’s not hard to guess: because he was driven by an exaggerated version of the familiar mixture of misogyny and aggrieved entitlement that drives so many MRAs.

As I wrote in my most widely read post on the subject:

While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.

I put it a bit more bluntly in a Reddit comment I wrote after first seeing the Honey Badger Brigade post:

If they’d actually paid attention to anything I’ve written on Rodger they would see that I didn’t call him an MRA; I went out of my way to point out that as far as we know he didn’t read MRA sites.

That said, as he was a regular at PUAhate, he was part of what you might call the MRA extended universe, and much of his ideology came out of the same misogynistic swamp that MRAs inhabit.

I didn’t cause any of this. MRAs caused this by being shitheads, and by thinking “any publicity is good publicity.” This is what MRAs get for supporting and defending AVFM for years, for their Occidental College spamming, for their crusades against an assortment of feminist villains they harassed and slandered. Oh, and for spewing misogyny all day every day.

My blog DOCUMENTS this. They’re the ones saying the shit that I quote. They made their own bed.

Other journalists have used me and my blog as a resource. They incorrectly labeled Rodger an MRA. But they weren’t far off. He was MRA-adjacent.

Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, the regulars ate up the Honey Badger Brigade post, which seemed to confirm my reputation as some sort of dastardly misandrist boogeyman. None of them seemed to have read a word of anything I’d actually written about Rodger. One Redditor described me thusly:

The Futrella is a desperate character with receding hair and receding appreciation from his Feminist Cohorts of screaming delinquents. …

I do wonder if his followers are real or if he spends all his time between pizza and diet soda masquerading under multiple legends?

A few were calling for my head.

iethatis 6 points 3 days ago (14|8)  AVfM should sue him for damages resulting from the death threats and resulting security costs, and venue change costs resulting from his lies.      permalink     save     report     give gold     reply  [–]guywithaccount 3 points 3 days ago (4|1)  It'd be a tough case to prove.

That’s a bit of an understatement, huh?

Also, for what it’s worth, I don’t have a receding hairline. Even that is a false accusation.

As is Tieman’s remark about the “genocidal ideogogs” [sic]. But that’s a whole other kettle of worms.

EDIT: Oops. I originally neglected to take the difference in time zones into consideration when writing about when the Daily Kos piece appeared. While it did appear before my post, it wasn’t four hours before. I’ve corrected this in the piece.

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8 years ago

I *know* I’m going to regret asking this…

What quote that they like to quote is that? FTSU or something else?

8 years ago

It’s the quote attributed (probably wrongly: there’s no record of him saying it) to Gandhi: ” First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

8 years ago

Oh right. Because the assholes who engage in intimidation, threats, doxxing, abusing and denigrating 50% of the population and take malicious glee in the FTSU mantra are totally the right people to be adopting a motto associated with non-violent, peaceful resistance to imperial occupation. That’s not inappropriate AT ALL.

So wait. When they went from laughing at feminists and their allies to fighting them… (and yes, threats, attempted character assassination, silencing tactics and sockpuppet trolling count as “fighting”) … are they admitting they’re one step away from losing? 🙂

8 years ago


“Why do some people have to be so awful! Read up a little, and urgh.”

I was a reader and admirer of Carl Jung until I got acquainted with the story of Sabina Spielrein. Both him and Freud largely took credit for her work. Than Jung threw her under the bus when she outlived her usefulness. There was a lot of suspicions that he took her as a lover while she was still his patient. Then there was the story of Rosalind Franklin and how Watson and Crick still received the Nobel Price after stealing her results. That and many similar stories made me value human decency way above intellectual achievements. It was also an eye opener on how misogynist the culture was: women were good enough to do the work, but not enough to be credited for it.

Cronenberg made a movie about Spielrein.

8 years ago

Argggh . . . that fake Gandhi quote . . . makes me hate the Internet . . . it’s all over the place and it’s not just the MRM that uses it. It’s, like, anyone with a position on anything can use it to say “Yeah, well, you’re going to see I’m right someday and you’ll be sorry!” I see people I even agree with on the actual position use it all the time. And I’m like “Please let the position stand out its own merits; there’s no need to resort to a stupid fake Gandhi quote.”

Howard Bannister
8 years ago

Yes, yes it is. I, David, have spreadsheets and a database solely devoted to running this comment section. You see, I have to come up with adequate user-names, set a correct ratio of avatars to colorblobs, keep track of each ‘regular’ and ‘semiregular’s standard vocabulary, punctuation, and history, which I have to cross reference with all posts I write.

I have an entire room of filing cabinets for this task! Well, half of them are filled with ferret food and toys for the ferrets in my David suit.

It’s amazing I can post so much, so quickly!

Not only that, but then to have many of the regulars spread out to other blogs in related fields… to have them meet up, exchange Mammotheer slogans in recognition of a shared commenting history, and then continue to comment on completely unrelated things…

My god, it’s turtles all the way down…

8 years ago


Funniest typo ever, or subtlest pun ever? Either way, you have obviously been brainwashed by the Furrinati.

Yup, I blame the cat. He seems to have “found” those missing r’s from that other thread. If I find where he’s stashed them, I’ll be sure to return them. >.<

8 years ago

Just my posting history on Patheos alone would make that a mess!

8 years ago

Regarding pesto – I made chard pesto a few nights ago. Instead of pine nuts, I used pepitas (the nutmeat inside pumpkin seeds). It went very well with the cheese ravioli, and the chard stems made a good cooked vegetable.

8 years ago

Thanks, grumpycatisagirl! I lol’d! Does that mean that I must now leave the grumposhpere?

8 years ago

GrumpyOldNurse: Only if it was a joyful laugh, and not a cynical ‘Ha! Ha, ha!’

I kid. Grump away, and laugh away, and be awesome.

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