Love-shyness and the perpetual resentment machine


She’s so smug, that Mona Lisa!

Reading, a forum for self-described incels (that is, the “involuntarily celibate”) and other “love-shy” guys, is a depressing experience. On the one hand, there are a lot of guys there who are genuinely hurting due to social awkwardness, depression, and other serious maladies that would be better treated by a psychiatrist and/or a good therapist than by talking to other equally miserable guys on an online forum.

And on the other hand, there is so much seething resentment among the regulars, not only of those women who have rejected them but women in general. The complaint is always the same: women only like “bad boys” and thugs, and refuse to date “nice guys.” That is, guys like those who post on

In one recent, fairly typical, thread, an unhappy “nice guy” reports that a girl he had a crush on (and who, a year ago, had turned him down) is now pregnant:

And she lists herself as single [on Facebook], which means that she was knocked up by some loser. That could have been MY kid; instead, I’m left here wondering why she followed the stereotype, when I thought she was so different.

I swear, all women are the same. They ALL follow the same patterns. Even someone who considers themselves an outcast or eccentric themselves, they ALL follow the same patterns. Her boyfriends were always extremely good looking, too.

This is another example of a woman who is nerdy/geeky, and doesn’t like the nice guys. Pathetic, really pathetic.

So her crime is that … she is attracted to guys that she thinks are, er, attractive? Instead of a self-described “nice guy” who seems to think she has a duty to be attracted to him, and who is obsessive enough to still be nursing a grudge about her rejection of him a year earlier?

Others pipe up with their support:

This should be of no surprise to you. She clearly is a quasi-eugenicist that deemed your genes unworthy of propagation. She subsequently mated with another guy who had desirable genes so that she could have the best possible offspring. Classic eugenics, classic female hypergamy.

Yep. Women who are attracted to the attractive are “eugenicists,” essentially little Hitlers at heart. “Classic female hypergamy,” by the way, is basically a fancy way of suggesting that all women are essentially gold-diggers and/or alpha-dog seekers, going for men who are older and richer than they are or otherwise at the top of the heap. Get used to the term: MRAs, MGTOWs, and Incels use it constantly. (I should probably add it to my post on the lingo of the “manosphere.”)

Another commenter picks up on the “women are eugenicists” theme:

If a woman is ever talking to you and the words “nice” or “sweet” comes out of her mouth, you then know that she would rather see you hanging dead from a rope before dating/sleeping with you. She wouldn’t give you 2 dollars to save your life.

Women are not just turned off by nice, sweet guys. Women hate and despise them. They want them dead, they cannot stand undesirable genes.

A third puts it equally bluntly:

If you’re ugly, women want you to die of a horribly painful death, and she would LOVE to torture you so that you suffer as much as possible.

Still another pipes up with a story of being similarly “victimized” by his “oneitis” — that is, the girl he’s completely obsessed with:

She always says I’m a lovely sweet guy. We also have loads in common, in terms of values, interests, etc. Now I know these are all the kiss of death. Girls don’t really want these things (sweetness, kindness, loveliness). They want to spread the alpha male genes. … I am the victim of classic female hypergamy too. She’s with a doctor!

Meanwhile, another suggests that the OP is probably better off on his own, given that most women are lying, cheating whores:

you are used for attention whoring when the bad boy did all the fucking. Just get over asap man, can you imagine what would happen if she were your wife? More than likely she will cheat. Todays sad reality is if you are a shy, introverted guy you will always feel the threat of cheating even with your wife every fucking day of your life.

The only healthy thing in the whole thread? The OP reports that he’s deleted the pregnant ex-crush from his Facebook friends list.

You know what? Life is unfair. Love is tough. Some people are better looking than other people. How many guys want to be Don Draper, minus, perhaps, the constant boozing and fairly regular assholism? Probably every man who watches Mad Men, and then some. How many look like Don Draper? A tiny fraction of a percent of the former group. There’s a hilarious eposide of Between Two Ferns, Zach Galifianakis’ fake chat show, in which Zach confronts Jon Hamm, the actor who plays Don Draper, with the fact of his astounding handsomeness:

Zach: “Does it make you sick when you look in the mirror to see how handsome you are and to know that people are disfigured? And don’t you think you should think that?”

Jon: “I … I’ve really never thought of it that way.”

Zach: “You never thought, hey, uh, why is Jesus so cruel?”

Jon: “Well, I’ve thought that.”

How Incels see the world.

So, yeah, some people have advantages in the world of love and sex. Attractive, outgoing, happy people generally fare better than unattractive, shy and unhappy people. (And it’s not like the guys on are all unattractive — or that they have any great sympathy for women who aren’t hotties.)  But even the beautiful people get their hearts broken sometimes. No one can simply have whoever they want. No one is entitled to have another person fall in love with them, or even just into bed. That is up to the other person.

Yes, there’s a difference between being rejected once in a while and being rejected all the time, or being simply so terrified by rejection you never even try to approach anyone. If you’re depressed, desperate, awkward and needy, as many of the “love-shy” seem to be, you’re going to repel most if not all of those you’re attracted to. This fucking sucks. But it’s life. The solution? Get some help, and get your shit together. Get your depression treated. (I’ve been on antidepressants for years; it’s changed my fucking life.) Get your social anxiety treated. Talk to therapists abut your issues. Get lots of exercise. See a sex surrogate if necessary. I’m not saying any of these things to be insulting. I’m saying them because they will actually help.

Some things you shouldn’t do? Embrace your (hopefully temporary) datelessness as a fucking IDENTITY. Spend all your time on a message board with others who’ve done the same thing. Cultivate your resentment of women for rejecting you, and receive validation from other guys for doing this. (Guess what? Just as most women can sniff out your desperation, they can also sniff out your resentment, and it’s not an attractive quality.)

Or, finally, to assume that things are oh-so-easy for women seeking love and sex. If you’re not aware of the problems women face in the world of dating, you’re just not paying attention. Are there women who are always (whether they like it or not) followed by a small herd of lovesick men? Yes. Are there women who are 30-year-old virgins? Yes to that as well. Love is tough, but demonizing the opposite sex isn’t good for anyone: you’re creating a perpetual resentment machine.

And it won’t get you laid.

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10 years ago

I logged on almost two years ago, but I forgot to thank for recomendation. Your description of this site is typical for you and I was sure you dig for most shocking quotes for your public’s amusement. Excellent job.

8 years ago

I’m convinced that “incels” are nothing more than an elaborate joke.

They take the worst elements of MRAs, PuAs and “Nice Guys”TM to such an extreme that it borders on parody.

It seems like nothing more than an elaborate troll while ironically mocking the “manosphere”.

Stacey E.
Stacey E.
8 years ago

You know the most interesting thing about the loudest member of this “group” of incels, as they call themselves, is that he has actually had sex in his life. The definition of the term is someone for whom a relationship has never happened. That means NEVER. So he’s a hypocrite, and a hateful person. I don’t want to mention his “name” but he inflicted himself on the members of a message board devoted to a band. In fact, will pipe up anywhere he thinks he can get attention.
If you want to know why these people are without love, just read their message boards. Nothing but hateful, childish, ignorant rants that vacillate between blaming women and blaming themselves for not being good enough. They either aren’t “bad boys” who treat women badly, so therefore get to have sex with them; or they aren’t good looking enough, yet demand that women meet a specific standard they’ve set. I am all for people on both sides being attractive, but for God’s sake, go outside. Most of the human population isn’t all that great looking. Most of us are marginal looking.
And I wouldn’t be so sure that the “dickheads” getting all of the women are actually doing so. It’s real damned easy to lie. Just claiming you’re getting it left and right doesn’t mean it’s true, unless you’re being observed in the act.
I don’t find anything in the least attractive about their personalities, so I guess that’s a case where their looks meant nothing. Another myth they cling to, that women don’t want a guy with any substance. Strangely, while never displaying any of their own.

7 years ago

Uh, why is it always the woman’s fault? Both sexes can be shallow. Men just don’t get ripped to shreds like women due. Where is all this entitlement coming from? Not everyone is going to be attracted to you but others will be. You just have to keep looking. If your shy and awkward and harbor an obsession with a girl who is not reciprocating it’s still not her fault. It’s no ones fault. Don’t hinge your self worth on this one girl who rejected you. It will consume you.

6 years ago

s basically a fancy way of suggesting that all women are essentially gold-diggers and/or alpha-dog seekers, going for men who are older and richer than they are or otherwise at the top of the heap.

Do they mean men like Donald J Trump? He epitomizes the kind of men that they hate and yet he is their hero now. The irony…

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