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Tell Her That Her Soul Is Dog-Sh*t: Dating advice from A Voice for Men

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So over on A Voice for Men, young Jason Gregory seems faintly jealous that young  women who put up dating profiles online tend to get flooded with messages — and the occasional dick pic — from horny guys.

F]ree cock is everywhere. Men give it away like it’s worthless. … I doubt that it is unusual at all for a woman to get 300 messages in her inbox from men who are desperate for female affection, approval, and sex. There is no doubt in my mind that men send “dick-pics” and clamor, bother, and sometimes harass women for their affections and attentions.

But Jason feels no sympathy for young women who put up profiles hoping to meet some nice young fellow who’s also into Sherlock and Neil Gaiman and Indian food and instead get messages from guys who introduce themselves by expressing a desire to ejaculate in their hair.

No, Jason is angry because he’s convinced all these offers of “free cock” only serve to make the women of the world into snooty-stuck stuck-up so-and-sos who think they’re all that and a folder full of dick pics.

All you men who give it away, all you do is reinforce the entitlement mentality of women who believe that their being present is plenty. You reinforce the idea that women don’t owe anything to the relationship—that they deserve a free-ride of cocks and that they don’t even have to break a sweat.

Jason, I should add, means this last bit literally. He’s resentful that when he allegedly engages in the act of coitus he has to do all the work while his alleged partners allegedly lie there like inflatable love-dolls.

Anyhoo,.Jason has a plan to take these stuck-up ladies down a peg or two: A cock strike.

Yep, he wants men to start saying “no” to women who are interested in them, just to see how they like it. But he doesn’t want them to just say no. He wants them to be giant dicks about it.

Try telling a girl no. Tell her, after she makes it clear that she wants your cock, that you’re not interested in giving it to her. Tell her that she isn’t interesting, that her soul is dog-shit and that she has nothing to offer other than boobs and booty, that she is a piece of shit and a total failure as a human being, that you don’t find her attractive and that she isn’t even good enough to be a cum-bucket. Tell her that she is never going to be any good at sucking cock and that she needs to stop pretending that she is doing any favors and learn to compensate for her inadequacies by becoming “kinky.” Tell her that her vapid life of shoes and pop-culture and materialism are soulless pursuits of dog-shit. Watch what happens. If you Jez-ladies wanna know what “hostile” means, see this rejected woman.

Emphasis mine.

A Voice for Men, you may recall, sees itself as leading the most important civil rights movement of the 21st century. I am sure Jason Gregory’s post here will be remembered alongside Martin Luther King’s Letter from a Birmingham Jail as a classic in civil rights literature.

EDIT: I added a couple more “allegedlys” to a sentence I thought needed them.

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Ally S
8 years ago

Why do I think it’s bullshit? It’s too perfect- too perfectly in line with feminist ideology.

More like in line with reality. I’ve been sexually harassed several times throughout my childhood and even now; certain individuals think it’s amusing and funny to violate my boundaries by pressuring me into sexual activity, even though that kind of harassment has eroded my sense of safety. My mom, my sister, and my step-mom have also been sexually harassed, and my sister and my mom got even worse than sexual harassment. Creepy guys have stalked my sister at her work, and one time a man literally told my mom and my sister at the same time that he wanted to have have sex with both of them somehow. And beyond family experience, statistics also suggests that sexual harassment is common.

So what makes you think that the likelihood of sexual harassment is so much lower over the internet on online dating websites?

kittehserf
8 years ago

drst, if I hadn’t made a complete fuckup of my comments I’d have said what you did here:

@kittehserf – yeah I feel much the same way. On principle I don’t see a reason to object to people using real dolls or, if they existed, sexbots (non-sentient ones anyway) but the attitude regarding women that leads some MRA types into using a substitute is alarming. Then again, it’s the attitude, not the action that’s the source of the problem, unless that attitude bleeds out from how they treat the inanimate object to how they treat actual people.

I remember with that earlier conversation someone mentioning that a lot of Real Dolls that go back for repairs have been carved up. By knives. On the breasts and genitals.

@Bostonian – “littered everywhere like spam” had me thinking of random dicks littering the streets, like cigarette butts.

pecunium
8 years ago

Why do I think it’s bullshit? It’s too perfect- too perfectly in line with feminist ideology. Also, I’ve performed the experiment myself and did not have anything like the alleged experience described by the alleged male.

Which makes you special?

I’ve done that (in a number of fora), and gotten a shit-ton of abuse.

The research on the subject studies show women get harassed on a regular, and ongoing basis

Then again, the University of Maryland found Accounts with feminine usernames incurred an average of 100 sexually explicit or threatening messages a day. Masculine names received 3.7.

So this report doesn’t seem to be at odds with reality, nor my experiences (which can’t be said of your testimony).

Let’s look at a different quotation: from Conor Friedersdorf

Then I guest-blogged for Megan McArdle. At the time, she was employed here at The Atlantic. My stint running her page while she vacationed included the keys to the blog’s inbox. Even as someone who’d previously blogged about immigration in California’s Inland Empire, fielding insults and aggressive invective as vile as any I could imagine, I was shocked by a subset of her blog’s correspondence. To this day, I don’t know if I was experiencing a typical or atypical week. Perhaps in the abstract, there isn’t any threat more extreme than the death threats I’d received and brushed off as unserious. But I read emails and comments addressed at McArdle that expanded my notion of how disturbing online vitriol could be. And it took my actually reading them for my perspective to change.

I’d never been exposed to anything like it before.

So, should I believe my experience, and take their reports at face value (which supports the piece you dismiss witout citation) or your claims; which conveniently support your agenda, even though they are at odds with dozens of reported experiments; both structured and happenstantial?

I think I go with the weight of the evidence and assume you are either a fool, or a liar (and one too stupid to look at the facts which exist before expecting intelligent people to just take his fables at face value).

The smart money is on you being both.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
8 years ago

In all seriousness, pro tip – the only thing I’ve ever found to have any success in shutting creeps down is to come across as really really boring, and also clueless. They throw out an innuendo, you act like it went right over your head. They ask how you’re doing, you give them a long excruciatingly dull speech about your trip to the dry cleaners and your granny’s arthritis. I know it sounds weird, but I’ve employed it to great effect on both online and meatspace creepers. Might not work, but worth a try.

buttboy69
buttboy69
8 years ago

I used a picture of a very attractive young woman. I think I put down 25 as her age.

I don’t think I checked “casual sex”, but I do remember I tried to lure in these alleged hordes of abusive men by acting flirty in my profile, by doing things like listing “sex” under “things I could never do without”.

I ultimately got around 40 messages over the course of a few days. There were a few crude messages, but they were a distinct minority. As expected, most of them were friendly. As expected, I was able to conclude that jezebel was full of it.

Ally S
8 years ago

In all seriousness, pro tip – the only thing I’ve ever found to have any success in shutting creeps down is to come across as really really boring, and also clueless. They throw out an innuendo, you act like it went right over your head. They ask how you’re doing, you give them a long excruciatingly dull speech about your trip to the dry cleaners and your granny’s arthritis. I know it sounds weird, but I’ve employed it to great effect on both online and meatspace creepers. Might not work, but worth a try.

This sounds perfect. I’ll keep it in mind.

pecunium
8 years ago

Cool Story Bro. Care to give us the account and the password, so we can check it out?

Ally S
8 years ago

I don’t think I checked “casual sex”

As expected, I was able to conclude that jezebel was full of it.

You didn’t even completely replicate the experiment, and yet you proved Jezebel wrong? Amazing.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
8 years ago

Fascinating.
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Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

Also:
– where was the picture cribbed from? If it was a commonly found image when searching for attractive woman (or whatever search term) then maybe the online dating profile knew that
– it sounds like you wrote an obviously fake/questionable profile

And you think you undertook quality research? LOL

BreakfastMan
BreakfastMan
8 years ago

After reading that article, I really can’t stop thinking about this one video of a semi-famous youtuber creating a fake OKCupid profile to mess with people for lulz, but… Well, things got out of control and weird quickly. Basically, guys on dating sites are crazy desperate and will swarm on any woman they can find. As someone who finds attention awkward and uncomfortable, it is kind of creepy. D:

cloudiah
8 years ago

I think we should believe everything buttboysaid, because people who assume homophobic ‘nyms on the Internet are usually telling the truth.

Therefore, no one else has had an experience that matters.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
8 years ago

Buttboy is so pissy at women in general that I really don’t think he could pull of a convincing impersonation of one.

kittehserf
8 years ago

He’d probably struggle to imitate a feMRA.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
8 years ago

The ultimate challenge would be imitating an intelligent human being, of course.

Ally S
8 years ago

I’m tempted to try this experiment myself. I just made an OKC account. Unfortunately, I don’t pass as a woman appearance, and I certainly can’t use stock photos for the profile, so I fear that it won’t get much attention. X_X

Ally S
8 years ago

appearance-wise*

BreakfastMan
BreakfastMan
8 years ago

Well, you could always get a photo from a consenting cis friend. That could work.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
8 years ago

Word of warning, Ally. Given your age the stuff you get is going to make the stuff that I got, or the stuff that some of the people in the other experiments got, look like a tea party. The creeps always push harder with younger women.

titianblue
titianblue
8 years ago

@alanbowker

Great article, Jason.
You said it just the way it is.
Thanks for the repost and personal comments too, Manboobz.

Dear gods, could you be any more boring? If you’re going to driveby troll, at least try!

Ally S
8 years ago

You’re right. But surely it won’t be too bad if I lie about some details. I’ll say I’m 26, and I’m sure people will believe that because I know from experience that people think I’m a lot older than I actually am. (I’ve actually been told before that someone thought I was a woman in my 30s, which surprised me but whatever.)

The lack of a picture is a problem, but I’ll try to make up for that by saying a lot about myself. And if none of that works, then I’ll use someone’s picture with their permission. It could be an interesting experiment given that I’ll be able to observe the difference between a female user without a picture and a female user with one.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Pecunium — if it wasn’t obvious, butt boy is the latest thing to swirl up out of the cesspit of trolls.

On topic — seriously, how is any form of “I won’t have sex with you” supposed to INCREASE your odds of having sex? And not even just “no thanks”, in which case if a friend asks her about you she’ll likely be of the “good luck” camp not the “creepy asshole, don’t waste your time” camp. Potentially exponentially decreasing his odds of getting any. Which is ignore the number of “incels” who’d be thrilled to pick up the women these guys don’t want, the PUAs who’ll fuck anything with a vagina and a pulse, and, in terms of men who women might actually want to fuck, guys like Pecunium — the actual Nice Guys (deny it all you want Pecunium, you’re nice, or at least kind, if I can’t coax you into admitting niceness)

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cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
8 years ago

It’s the old “you can’t fire me, I quit!” thing again. Hey, guys, whatever helps you sleep.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
8 years ago

Also, how many of those sites actually check that users meet a minimum age? Because what would be truly illustrative for men who don’t get how this stuff works, or don’t want to admit it, would be to post a profile claiming to be, say, 14, and then record the oceans of creepy shit that flooded in.

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