You might not think that student orientation events would be an appropriate venue for chants celebrating the rape of underage girls. But such chants have apparently been something of a tradition at not one but two Canadian schools — and possibly more? Last week, a scandal erupted at the University of British Columbia after word got out that an orientation event at its Saunder School of Business had included a chant on this particular theme, led by orientation leaders from the Commerce Undergraduate Society.
According to one woman who disgustedly live-tweeted the event, it went something like this:
Y-O-U-N-G at UBC, we like ’em young, Y is for your sister, O is for oh so tight, U is for underage, N is for no consent, G is for go to jail.
Meanwhile, in Halifax, someone made a video — and posted it to YouTube — of student orientation leaders at Saint Mary’s University chanting a nearly identical chant.
Naturally, noted, er, human rights activist Paul Elam of A Voice for Men felt compelled to weigh in on the issue. He started off by expressing his deep disgust … with having to hear anything about the issue at all:
I swear if I read one more outraged “report” — aka feverish, paranoid rant — that twists something stupid into “evidence” of a “rape culture,” I am going to just lose it.
Yes, how outrageous that a chant joking about raping underage girls at an official school orientation event could possibly be construed as contributing in any way to rape culture! So sorry that your delicate sensitivities were offended, Paul.
After some more predictable histrionics on this “hyper-hipster-hysteria” from Mr. Elam, he got to his main point: blaming feminists for the rape chants.
No, really.
I am an older guy. I find it interesting, given that I came from a more “patriarchal” generation, that something like this when I was 18 would have been unthinkable. Why? Because other men, especially older ones, would have pulled those young people aside and said, “Hey, we don’t do that around here.” That would have been that, as they say, if it had even happened in the first place.
We can thank feminists for this. Through policy and governance they have eroded positive male role models, and male authority, right out of the culture. After feminist undermining of the family, removing fathers from the lives of children and demonizing male heroes, we have a population of young people, especially young men, growing more socially feral with each new generation.
And now what do we see? Feminists running around everywhere telling men they need to tell each other, “Don’t rape. Don’t abuse women. Don’t this. Don’t that.” …
You can’t assault the identity of half the human race, marginalize and disempower them, which is exactly what feminism has done, and expect anything in return but what you are getting.
In other words: You gals asked for it.
Paul Elam, you are rape culture.
One thing that makes me feel better about Paul Elam is knowing that I am not him. What a miserable person.
Witchy Kitty is adorable.
Exactly! Everything was just fine until WOMEN!
Here I thought MRAs were supposed to be so logical but Elam is about to lose it. Gosh, he is soooooo emotional.
And I was 18 in the 80s, at a Lutheran-ish university, and we had all the same shit, too. So this Golden Age of Civility that Elam remembers is obviously a delusion brought on by overcontemplation of his rageboner.
So let me get this straight… In the past, people would never chant such disgusting things, because male role models would tell students “we don’t do that,” (ie, we don’t joke about raping people).
Now that feminists have come along and eroded male role models by telling people not to joke about raping people, there’s nothing stopping this shit from happening?
…
WHAT?!?
So… he’s getting annoyed that people would, in the past, tell them not to do it, but now, people are… telling them not to do it.
It’s okay when people tell them not to do it, just not okay when women tell them not to do it.
Exactly. Because when women tell people not to do things, they’re marginalizing men.
QFSFT
Oooh, there’s a new Dan Cardamon video:
I can’t properly put into words how angry his response makes me.
Aren’t these people the ones who are always telling women to take responsibility for their actions? WHY DON’T THEY APPLY THIS SAME STANDARD TO MEN?
“We can thank feminists for this. Through policy and governance they have eroded positive male role models, and male authority, right out of the culture. After feminist undermining of the family, removing fathers from the lives of children and demonizing male heroes, we have a population of young people, especially young men, growing more socially feral with each new generation.”
Citation, please, Paul???
I actually lol’d at his stupid.
Hilarious comment from a r/mr thread on why the 50 Best Guitarists are all male*:
Emphasis added. For some reason this made me laugh almost as much as the MY SPERM IS GOLDEN guy.
*Yeah, right.
Mr Elam, well said. This is the result of feminism. Like you said, men used to do just what feminists seem to want yet their movement is what destroyed it to begin with. As usual, feminists cannot accept accountability for their pathetic nonsense. Feminists, You reap what you sow.
So female guitarists aren’t very good because they only play guitar for attention, unlike male guitarists who play guitar to get… attention from women?
Oh, yeah. Male musicians don’t want attention. They want to hide from the world and make music.
That’s why only female musicians have concerts, of course.
Isn’t he just precious? He’s completely unaware that he totally contradicted himself.
I’ve always wondered why there were so many female bass players.
There was a college craze called “panty raids” in the 50s and 60s. Where were all these alleged older men who were supposedly saying, “Hey, we don’t do that around here?” That would have been that, as they say.
I think he’s saying women can get the attention by simply being sexy on stage, while men need to be virtuoso guitarists to get girls. Except as far as I know the biggest fans of the “virtuoso” guitarists are other guitarists, and the groupies all go to the guys who strut around, either as lead guitarists or lead singers. I’m guessing that David Lee Roth got more action backstage than Eddie Van Halen, Robert Plant got more than Jimmy Page, Axl Rose got more than Slash, etc. It’s the attitude and passion that’s “sexy”, not how good your technique is.
When my son was taking up the guitar, I passed along some wisdom from my eldest brother. Learn bass, not lead guitar. Every jumped up chump wants to play lead guitar and get girls, but every band needs a bassist. You’ll always be able to find a band to play in.
My eldest brother has been happily married for over twenty years, for what it’s worth. Some women will give a bassist a chance.
Easier to pick up skills needed for bass by learning guitar than vice-versa. Bass = lower four strings of guitar. If your band needs a bassist, you can always pull a Paul McCartney and switch.
In the video. aren’t they saying “no regrets” as opposed to “no consent”?
Anyone who thinks ANY form of musical practice doesn’t involve lots of obsessive practicing in solitude hasn’t ACTUALLY played much music, in my opinion. (Unless maybe you’re in a choir or something, but surely even choir singers practice their songs on their own?)
Also, did that guy never HEAR of glam rock?
RE: Good
Seeing as they specifically talk about ‘underage,’ and ‘go to jail,’ I don’t think that really helps much.