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Men’s Rights Redditor: It’s not sexism that holds back women in STEM. It’s just that women are inferior.

Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, the lovely IHaveALargePenis explains that it’s not sexism holding back women in science and technology. No way! It’s just that women are inferior at science and technology. No sexism involved at all!

IHaveALargePenis 10 points 1 day ago (15|6)      The fact that women are so underrepresented in many STEM fields indicates that there must be some educational, societal, or institutional force pushing them away.  There is. It has a lot to do with women though. First with STEM, the hierarchy in the workforce always favors the smartest/most knowledgeable people. This means you can't flirt your way to the top or simply just "make it" eventually.  The work is somewhat quantifiable, so people can be tracked in how much work they do. You can't sit around and chat or take extra time off and fuck around. People will find out.  Many fields have horrible deadlines and any person not finishing their work on time can slow an entire project and become the weakest link. When you're holding up something that thousands of people are working on, relying on, etc and they're all waiting for you, not fun. Additionally you'll be pushed to do overtime, heavy overtime. When it comes to software development for example, in the last few months leading up to release, you'll be better off bringing extra clothes and a sleeping bag to work. This can apply to virtually all other fields in different ways for different reasons.  Women and men study differently. Women are great and memorizing but don't focus on understanding. This is why there's a relatively equal amount of girls/boys in STEM the first year, but then it significantly favors the boys as time passes. The problem is that women do great on tests, but don't bother to understand that knowledge, which is fairly important later on and everything you learn will be used in the future (as you move from first to 4th year). This is why girls have been doing better (or so it seems) ever since standardized tests.  There are no problems in STEM for women. There's nobody out there trying to hold them back. My university cracked down hard on this shit, even had security cameras installed to ensure there was no harassment or sexism going on. And you know what changed? Nothing.      The key is attacking gender issues from both sides, rather than the BS of encouraging women to enter and just ignoring all problems men have.  What exactly is there to attack? There's 50% more women in college than men. Women have infiltrated every major out there outside of STEM. Do you know how HUGE STEM is? Let me tell you how huge it is. Go look up any non STEM focused University out there (MIT or Standord) and check the faculty for STEM or other majors. You'll find out quickly that the entire STEM curriculum has fewer faculty than a single major like business.

Maybe IHaveALArgePenis should have taken an English class or two and learned what “irony” is.

Also, uh, how exactly are security cameras supposed to guard against sexism? This is a new one to me.

Thanks to Wrecksomething on the AgainstMensRights subreddit for pointing me to this mantastic quote.

 

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kittehserf
8 years ago

Spleeny – ha! My ladybrain’s pinker’n’fluffier’n’yours! I couldn’t do long division. I cant’ do mental arithmetic at all.

::blows raspberry::

kittehserf
8 years ago

I can’t always punctuate, either. 😛

neuroticbeagle
8 years ago

@Kittehs
As long as you can understand what the cats want, when they want it, you are good.:)

kittehserf
8 years ago

This is true – all other knowledge is superfluous.

pecunium
8 years ago

re Québécois: One of the things which (understandably) pisses off the Québécois I know is the idea they don’t speak “real” french. France didn’t either,until Napoleon forced it on them. Lots of france still does it only grudgingly (and the, “French look down on you if you speak it badly seems to be based on Parisians getting sniffing at people who don’t speak the Île de France dialect).

Because the settlers in Québéc predate this imposition, they retained a lot of the various dialectical patterns of the areas they came from (largely langue d’oil, not so much langue d’oc); because of the British conquest/French cession of Québéc they weren’t subject to Napoleon’s imposition of “modern standard” french.

But it’s still Real French the same way American/Scots/Indian/Australian/New Zealand/Canada/Wales/Ireland all speak Real English.

Or the same way the Texans/Californians/Massachusstans/New Jersians/Georgians/Tennesseans/Washingtonians all speak Real English.

As to Kentish/Yorkish/Midlands/Lake District/Londoners (East and West End)/Liverpudlians, etc. all speak Real English.

kittehserf
8 years ago

I’m reminded of something I read in a nineteenth-century English book on seventeenth French history – just a passing comment that French seemed to the author to have changed less in that time than English had, which I thought was interesting. Not that I’ll be putting to the test by learning French and trying to read Louis’s earthtime letters, though!

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Kittehserf

*snort* I’m sure Les Immortals would like folks to BELIEVE that, but I dunno that it’s actually true… especially if you think of French variants such as Quebecois and Yat.

Now, if you want a language that has stayed shockingly regular for a shocking amount of time, you want Icelandic. But see, they can get away with it, because they’re fucking Iceland and are out in the middle of Atlantic Nowhere.

kittehserf
8 years ago

LOL well, this was an English writer comparing seventeenth-century French with the French he was familiar with, and since it was documents from those at the top of the tree – letters between the King and his ministers, primarily, iirc – then it would be the language of the Ile de France and reasonably well educated (not something one can take for granted among the nobility in general at the time). This was before the Acadamie Francaise had any impact, though (and before its creation, mostly).

Karalora
Karalora
8 years ago

@LBT

A friend of mine is crazy in love with Iceland (like, to the point where we sometimes have to ask her to dial it back) and has studied the language, and she says it’s amazing to be able to read 900-year-old writings with the same ease that she converses with teenagers.

M Dubz
M Dubz
8 years ago

@ignotussomnium- That bio class actually sounds amazingly helpful. I wish every college offered something like that, maybe even made it mandatory.

elodieunderglass
8 years ago

I’ve been away for a few days, so sorry for posting in an old thread.

This is relevant to the post. Please excuse my face. I hope that this amuses you all as much as it amused me : Redditors can tell that I’m not a scientist because I’m not pretty enough (?!) and also I’ve NEVER experienced sexism in STEM because they knew a woman once.

http://www.reddit.com/r/INeedFeminismBecause/comments/1ff7l2/infb_the_local_science_factory_didnt_hire_me/

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

This was before the Acadamie Francaise had any impact, though (and before its creation, mostly).

If we can steal blancmange, French can steal jogging. C’mon, people.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Karalora

I’m a little curious about Iceland myself; while on a plane, I encountered a fellow guy from the States who was living and working there. He seemed quite happy there and it sparked my interest, since until then, my mental envisionment of Iceland was one of a miserable iceberg with sheep on it.

kittehserf
8 years ago

Falconer – the French are welcome to jogging, I’d rather have blancmange. 😉

LBT – not sheep, pure Viking horses!

Sel
Sel
8 years ago

I simply love how it is obviously a sign of women being inferior if they aren’t able to strive in a field BUT men and boys are being held back from sucess in school by their evil female harpy teachers who favor the girls!

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